So then how do you account for the thousands of Palestinian civilians murdered by Israel?
I've accounted for this by stating that excessive military responses to Palestinian terrorism are a huge part of the problem, as are unprovoked Israeli expansions into Palestinians lands under the guise of "protecting the state".
I would love you to provide lists, or anything else for that matter, that support the claim that 'the Palestinians are the whole problem'.
I wouldn't do this because "Palestinians are the whole problem" is an inaccurate statement. I could post a whole pile of links that make Palestinians look like demons, but why? Someone else (namely, you) can do the same thing for the Israelis. My point was that your approach ("Israel is the whole problem") is also inaccurate.
As an aside, there is no "racism" in that link I posted, and using this word in this context is a classic reason why people are getting so tired of the term, even though real racism still exists. "Racism" does not mean the same thing as "something I disagree with".
I've accounted for this by stating that excessive military responses to Palestinian terrorism are a huge part of the problem, as are unprovoked Israeli expansions into Palestinians lands under the guise of "protecting the state".
O.k. Fair enough. Although your previous posts did point at Israeli terror being simply the reactions of a party under attack. This is the standard position of most mainstream media in Britain and the U.S - that Israel is the innocent victim. This just isn't the case, as anybody who looks at the facts can see.
http://www.fpif.org/commentary/2002/0210unres.html United Nations Security Council Resolutions Currently Being Violated by Countries Other than Iraq
By Stephen Zunes
October 2, 2002
(updated February 28, 2003)
Resolution 252 (1968) Israel
Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind measures that change the legal status of Jerusalem, including the expropriation of land and properties thereon.
262 (1968) Israel
Calls upon Israel to pay compensation to Lebanon for destruction of airliners at Beirut International Airport.
267 (1969) Israel
Urgently calls upon Israel to rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem.
271 (1969) Israel
Reiterates calls to rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem and calls on Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying powers.
298 (1971) Israel
Reiterates demand that Israel rescind measures seeking to change the legal status of occupied East Jerusalem.
446 (1979) Israel
Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying powers, to rescind previous measures that violate these relevant provisions, and "in particular, not to transport parts of its civilian population into the occupied Arab territories."
452 (1979) Israel
Calls on the government of Israel to cease, on an urgent basis, the establishment, construction, and planning of settlements in the Arab territories, occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem.
465 (1980) Israel
Reiterates previous resolutions on Israel's settlements policy.
471 (1980) Israel
Demands prosecution of those involved in assassination attempts of West Bank leaders and compensation for damages; reiterates demands to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention.
484 (1980) Israel
Reiterates request that Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
487 (1981) Israel
Calls upon Israel to place its nuclear facilities under the safeguard of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency.
497 (1981) Israel
Demands that Israel rescind its decision to impose its domestic laws in the occupied Syrian Golan region.
573 (1985) Israel
Calls on Israel to pay compensation for human and material losses from its attack against Tunisia and to refrain from all such attacks or threats of attacks against other nations.
592 (1986) Israel
Insists Israel abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories.
605 (1987) Israel
"Calls once more upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide immediately and scrupulously by the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Times of War, and to desist forthwith from its policies and practices that are in violations of the provisions of the Convention."
607 (1986) Israel
Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.
608 (1988) Israel
Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.
636 (1989) Israel
Reiterates call for Israel to cease its deportations.
641 (1989) Israel
Reiterates previous resolutions calling on Israel to desist in its deportations.
672 (1990) Israel
Reiterates calls for Israel to abide by provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.
673 (1990) Israel
Insists that Israel come into compliance with resolution 672.
681 (1990) Israel
Reiterates call on Israel to abide by Fourth Geneva Convention in the occupied Arab territories.
694 (1991) Israel
Reiterates that Israel "must refrain from deporting any Palestinian civilian from the occupied territories and ensure the safe and immediate return of all those deported."
726 (1992) Israel
Reiterates calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and to cease its practice of deportations from occupied Arab territories.
799 (1992) Israel
"Reaffirms applicability of Fourth Geneva Convention…to all Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem, and affirms that deportation of civilians constitutes a contravention of its obligations under the Convention."
904 (1994) Israel
Calls upon Israel, as the occupying power, "to take and implement measures, inter alia, confiscation of arms, with the aim of preventing illegal acts of violence by settlers."
1073 (1996) Israel
"Calls on the safety and security of Palestinian civilians to be ensured."
1322 (2000) Israel
Calls upon Israel to scrupulously abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding the responsibilities of occupying power.
1402 (2002) Israel
Calls for Israel to withdraw from Palestinian cities.
1403 (2002) Israel
Demands that Israel go through with "the implementation of its resolution 1402, without delay."
1405 (2002) Israel
Calls for UN inspectors to investigate civilian deaths during an Israeli assault on the Jenin refugee camp.
1435 (2002) Israel
Calls on Israel to withdraw to positions of September 2000 and end its military activities in and around Ramallah, including the destruction of security and civilian infrastructure.
http://www.geocities.com/savepalestinenow/internationallaw/studyguides/sgil3i.htm
'Israeli Violations of International Law - (9) Israel has violated 28 resolutions of the United Nations Security Council (which are legally binding on member-nations), and almost 100 resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly (which are not binding, but represent the will and understanding of the international community). And Israel is now in violation of the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice of 2004, condemning the separation wall Israel is building throughout the occupied West Bank. ISRAELI VIOLATION: HISTORY & THEORY
The Charter of the United Nations describes the mission of the UN to protect world peace, and the human rights and self-determination of its inhabitants, and to foster cooperation amongst all nations to the benefit of everyone..
The Charter assigns implementation of this mission primarily to the Security Council, in cooperation with the General Assembly and the other four organs of the UN.
The UN Security Council has passed a large number of resolutions condemning Israel for its actions in the Middle East and against the Palestinian people and surrounding nations. The General Assembly has passed over 100 resolutions condemning Israeli actions and policies. In addition, the International Court of Justice has ruled that the wall that Israel is building through the occupied Palestinian territories substantially violates the human rights of the Palestinian people and needs to be torn down immediately, and the people affected must be compensated for their losses.
Israel has ignored all of the resolutions of the Security Council, which is a violation of the Charter, and by extension, international law. And it has also ignored all of the resolutions of the General Assembly and the Advisory Opinion of the International Court.
In addition, it is important to note that in support of Israel, the United States has exercised its veto power in the Security Council to cancel out many other resolutions that were otherwise passed unanimously or by the vaste majority of its members'.
Prozac, Paxil, some other kind of anti obsessive compulsive medication? You have the most sickly obsessive mind when it comes to Israel and yet you admit you have never been? So what is the issue really? You have no first hand knowledge, no real stake in the matter and you have hundreds of posts on this board regarding Israel. Just lie down on the couch and explain it to the doctor. Leave us out of it
The Nazis also thought that they were choosing survival. The German public was led to believe that Germany was under attack from the Jews - remember the burning of the Reichstag?
Israel could have survived perfectly well within the 1967 borders. Survival doesn't constitute invading and occupying your neighbours land and then spending 60 years terorising them, bulldozing their homes and stealing more and more of their land.
Edit: Check out the anchorwoman at the start of this program. "...the sensitive issue of human rights as part of Israel's struggle to defend it's security, and in many cases it's very existence". I wonder cases she can be refering to? Sounds like she feels that on many occasions Israel has felt it;s very existence has been threatened. Can anyone here give me an example of when Israel's very existence has been threatened? I must have been on holiday when that happened.
Dershowitz interestingly uses the analogy of the bombing of Nazi Germany by the British to excuse Israel's 'collective punishment' of the Palestinian people. He seems not to realise that Nazi Germany was being punished for the crime of occupation that Israel has been commiting these past 60 years. I wonder he therefore feels that a collective punishment of the Israeli people is now justified?
Actually no I wasn't there for the burning of the Reichstag. Maybe you can tell us what it was like and how much you enjoyed Krystalnacht.
Sure, I criticise the illegal Israeli occupation...therefore I'm a Nazi.
Seriously, you need to run along back to school, kindergarten, or wherever it is you need to be little boy. Your silly little childish personal attacks here have become very boring, very quickly.
Sure, I criticise the illegal Israeli occupation...therefore I'm a Nazi.
Seriously, you need to run along back to school, kindergarten, or wherever it is you need to be little boy. Your silly little childish personal attacks here have become very boring, very quickly.
You were the one who made the sick analogy between Nazi Germany and Israel. Not me. When you combine your twisted little Israel obsession and sprinkle it with Nazi analogies it does make one wonder doesn't it?
He he! So you got banned for a couple of days and are now back with a chip on your shoulder?
Well, it was nice making your aquaintance. I doubt you'll be around here to spout your lame crap much longer.
He he! So you got banned for a couple of days and are now back with a chip on your shoulder?
Well, it was nice making your aquaintance. I doubt you'll be around here to spout your lame crap much longer.
Go cry to your Mommy (the mods). I've better things to do.
Cutting and pasting other people's words, thoughts, and research does not amount to speaking. That's called spaming.
Making nothing but lame personal attacks on other board members, and not contributing anything constructive or intelligent to any thread that you've tried to hijack doesn't amount to speaking either. That's called trolling.
Go cry to your Mommy (the mods). I've better things to do.
Sure you have.
I recommend reading a book or two for starters, or maybe just going back to school before your mommy catches you pissing about on her computer at home.
not when it's completely relevant to the topic. something you can't even do...
If I remember correctly the topic had to do with Jimmy Carter and Hamas. That discussion ended some time ago. As for your little debate. It's a waste of time to argue or debate with people who have only one opinion or simply parrot other people's views that they can only express through cut and paste. I have access to the news. I can read what I want just like I can study whatever history I want on my own free time. Im simply pointing out that certain people have hijacked this board to espouse their own personal vengeful ideologies and it's just plain fucking boring. I won't find intelligent discussion here. But maybe I can shed light on the least intelligent elements.
I recommend reading a book or two for starters, or maybe just going back to school before your mommy catches you pissing about on her computer at home.
Don't you need to go practice your goose step or something?
Cutting and pasting other people's words, thoughts, and research does not amount to speaking. That's called spaming.
Actually, it's called research, and supporting my statements with source material. Maybe when you grow up, and if you ever get to go to college, you'll find out how important this is.
Actually, it's called research, and supporting my statements with source material. Maybe when you grow up, and if you ever get to go to college, you'll find out how important this is.
Did you just call the mods anti-semitic? Are you TRYING to get banned?
What's with you people and your banning thing anyways? While I understand this is a private board, I believe THE BAND intended this to be a site to exchange political ideas freely. I would hope whomever moderates this board would abide by the principals of free speech embodied in the 1st amendment regardless of the fact this is a private domain.
What's with you people and your banning thing anyways? While I understand this is a private board, I believe THE BAND intended this to be a site to exchange political ideas freely. I would hope whomever moderates this board would abide by the principals of free speech embodied in the 1st amendment regardless of the fact this is a private domain.
I didn't put words in your mouth. You accused Byrnzie of being anti-semitic, and then said the mods shared his views. Which seems to me to be an unprovoked attack.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
I didn't put words in your mouth. You accused Byrnzie of being anti-semitic, and then said the mods shared his views. Which seems to me to be an unprovoked attack.
You obviously are a member of his Parrot club. Try to be objective, and scroll through all his various rants where he threatens to ban people at every turn, calls their opinions horseshit, or tells them to fuck off if they dont agree with his line of crap. So spare me the unprovoked garbage. Every one of his posts is a provocation and frankly if someone needs to be banned to clean up the neighborhood then maybe the Mods should try taking him down and see if the place settles down.
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I've accounted for this by stating that excessive military responses to Palestinian terrorism are a huge part of the problem, as are unprovoked Israeli expansions into Palestinians lands under the guise of "protecting the state".
I wouldn't do this because "Palestinians are the whole problem" is an inaccurate statement. I could post a whole pile of links that make Palestinians look like demons, but why? Someone else (namely, you) can do the same thing for the Israelis. My point was that your approach ("Israel is the whole problem") is also inaccurate.
As an aside, there is no "racism" in that link I posted, and using this word in this context is a classic reason why people are getting so tired of the term, even though real racism still exists. "Racism" does not mean the same thing as "something I disagree with".
Thanks. That's all I was wanting to hear.
Again? Baffled. Were you the one who always told the teacher on people cuz you were scared...? I think u were.
It's a scary place. The mods let all kind of radical racist anti semitic shit go on here which is why he still exists because they share his views.
Prozac, Paxil, some other kind of anti obsessive compulsive medication? You have the most sickly obsessive mind when it comes to Israel and yet you admit you have never been? So what is the issue really? You have no first hand knowledge, no real stake in the matter and you have hundreds of posts on this board regarding Israel. Just lie down on the couch and explain it to the doctor. Leave us out of it
Actually no I wasn't there for the burning of the Reichstag. Maybe you can tell us what it was like and how much you enjoyed Krystalnacht.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=felQfAL6HtM
Fine. Then seeing as you have nothing intelligent to say, and are only here to spout shit and stir things up, why don't you simply fuck off?
Sure, I criticise the illegal Israeli occupation...therefore I'm a Nazi.
Seriously, you need to run along back to school, kindergarten, or wherever it is you need to be little boy. Your silly little childish personal attacks here have become very boring, very quickly.
Cutting and pasting other people's words, thoughts, and research does not amount to speaking. That's called spaming.
You were the one who made the sick analogy between Nazi Germany and Israel. Not me. When you combine your twisted little Israel obsession and sprinkle it with Nazi analogies it does make one wonder doesn't it?
He he! So you got banned for a couple of days and are now back with a chip on your shoulder?
Well, it was nice making your aquaintance. I doubt you'll be around here to spout your lame crap much longer.
Go cry to your Mommy (the mods). I've better things to do.
Making nothing but lame personal attacks on other board members, and not contributing anything constructive or intelligent to any thread that you've tried to hijack doesn't amount to speaking either. That's called trolling.
Sure you have.
I recommend reading a book or two for starters, or maybe just going back to school before your mommy catches you pissing about on her computer at home.
If I remember correctly the topic had to do with Jimmy Carter and Hamas. That discussion ended some time ago. As for your little debate. It's a waste of time to argue or debate with people who have only one opinion or simply parrot other people's views that they can only express through cut and paste. I have access to the news. I can read what I want just like I can study whatever history I want on my own free time. Im simply pointing out that certain people have hijacked this board to espouse their own personal vengeful ideologies and it's just plain fucking boring. I won't find intelligent discussion here. But maybe I can shed light on the least intelligent elements.
Don't you need to go practice your goose step or something?
Actually, it's called research, and supporting my statements with source material. Maybe when you grow up, and if you ever get to go to college, you'll find out how important this is.
Can work the internet. THAT'S not research.
You do Republicans proud. A real asset to the cause.
Dont even waste your time; he is just as blind as the terrorists.
Did you just call the mods anti-semitic?
That's why I bowed out
What's with you people and your banning thing anyways? While I understand this is a private board, I believe THE BAND intended this to be a site to exchange political ideas freely. I would hope whomever moderates this board would abide by the principals of free speech embodied in the 1st amendment regardless of the fact this is a private domain.
I didn't put words in your mouth. You accused Byrnzie of being anti-semitic, and then said the mods shared his views. Which seems to me to be an unprovoked attack.
You obviously are a member of his Parrot club. Try to be objective, and scroll through all his various rants where he threatens to ban people at every turn, calls their opinions horseshit, or tells them to fuck off if they dont agree with his line of crap. So spare me the unprovoked garbage. Every one of his posts is a provocation and frankly if someone needs to be banned to clean up the neighborhood then maybe the Mods should try taking him down and see if the place settles down.