Carter and Hamas

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    GauchoB wrote:
    Talks out his arse most of the time he does

    So you're saying I have one up on you then? Cool!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hailhailkc wrote:
    They want the destruction of Israel...and I believe they've made that quite clear over the years.

    So you're saying that the Palestinians have been 'chipping away at the existence of Israel'? That's an interesting comment. Please provide just one shred of evidence that supports it.

    Ans as for them wanting to 'destroy Israel', that's the equivalent of saying that partisan groups in occupied Europe were trying to destroy Germany.
    hailhailkc wrote:
    The 67 borders have nothing to do with anything.

    Maybe the 67 borders don't mean anything to you. But then you clearly have no real interest in the issue and are just repeating what you've learned from watching the news on t.v.
    hailhailkc wrote:
    Hamas might give lip service to that idea, but it's nothing more than lip service.

    How do you know?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    hailhailkc wrote:
    The 67 borders have nothing to do with anything. Hamas might give lip service to that idea, but it's nothing more than lip service. They want the destruction of Israel...and I believe they've made that quite clear over the years. Give them the 67 borders and they'll just continue to try and chip away at the existence of Israel.

    Hamas can say whatever they want, why would anyone in their right mind actually believe a word of it? I suppose some people enjoy "rooting for the underdog" (the "underdog" being Hamas)...but being the "underdog" doesn't automatically equate into being "right" or "justified" in your actions and motives.

    So you what do you propose then? The complete extermination and removal of the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank? Or do you simply think that the Palestinians should be used as slave labourers by Israel?
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    GauchoB wrote:
    Is a DOUCHE
    He ran a terrible presidency, seems to be backtracking now though.
  • TDMize15
    TDMize15 Posts: 166
    mammasan wrote:
    How is he hurting the process by hearing the other sides grievance? Maybe if we took the time to hear what these people had to say instead of just labeling them as evil and blocking them out we could actually accomplish something.

    Thank you. Couldn't agree more. I'm not a huge fan of Carter's, but good for him for actually doing something productive to try to help.
    All the rusted signs, we ignore throughout our lives, choosing the shiny ones instead...

    And he who forgets, will be destined to remember...
  • Nevermind
    Nevermind Posts: 1,006
    hailhailkc wrote:
    They want the destruction of Israel...and I believe they've made that quite clear over the years.
    Just like everyone who opposes the U.S. in the middle east. It makes a good excuse to do some more bombing.
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    hailhailkc wrote:
    The 67 borders have nothing to do with anything. Hamas might give lip service to that idea, but it's nothing more than lip service. They want the destruction of Israel...and I believe they've made that quite clear over the years. Give them the 67 borders and they'll just continue to try and chip away at the existence of Israel.

    Hamas can say whatever they want, why would anyone in their right mind actually believe a word of it? I suppose some people enjoy "rooting for the underdog" (the "underdog" being Hamas)...but being the "underdog" doesn't automatically equate into being "right" or "justified" in your actions and motives.

    Look what they did when Israel, in good faith, withdrew from Gaza...It's now a rocket launching platform into Southern Israel.
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    Don't Know Myself wrote:
    Thank you. Couldn't agree more. I'm not a huge fan of Carter's, but good for him for actually doing something productive to try to help.
    He is obstructing U.S AND European official policy and acting, again, in a naive manner and is being used as a propaganda puppet by Hamas. For all of you who weren't around during Carter's presidency there is good reason he was run out of Washington after one term.
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    Byrnzie wrote:
    So you what do you propose then? The complete extermination and removal of the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank? Or do you simply think that the Palestinians should be used as slave labourers by Israel?

    I think you have been hitting the cool aid a little hard. Are you a Holocaust denier as well? You seem to be of that ilk.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Nevermind wrote:
    Just like everyone who opposes the U.S. in the middle east. It makes a good excuse to do some more bombing.

    Right, because the Palestinians really have nothing to complain about do they.

    They're a bit like those uppity French resistance, and the ANC - just a bunch of bloodthirsty terrorists who look for any excuse to cause trouble.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    GauchoB wrote:
    Look what they did when Israel, in good faith, withdrew from Gaza...It's now a rocket launching platform into Southern Israel.

    That's like saying the Nazis withdrew from occupied Europe in 'Good faith' and so deserve a pat on the back for their generosity.

    For your information, it was only a partial withdrawal and they continued their ilegal settlement building elsewhere. They then re-entered Gaza a month later and continued their atrocities there.
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    Byrnzie wrote:
    That's like saying the Nazis withdrew from occupied Europe in 'Good faith' and so deserve a pat on the back for their generosity.

    For your information, it was only a partial withdrawal and they continued their ilegal settlement building elsewhere. They then re-entered Gaza a month later and continued their atrocities there.

    No reasoning with a hater. Continue with your propaganda war.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    GauchoB wrote:
    He is obstructing U.S AND European official policy and acting, again, in a naive manner and is being used as a propaganda puppet by Hamas.

    You mean he's obstructing the U.S policy of vetoing any chance of a two-state solution? I suppose you don't think that the U.S media is a propaganda puppet for Israel?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    GauchoB wrote:
    Are you a Holocaust denier as well? You seem to be of that ilk.

    I'm opposed to the illegal and brutal Israeli occupation, so obviously I'm a holocaust denier.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    GauchoB wrote:
    No reasoning with a hater. Continue with your propaganda war.

    So you've been reasoning? :confused: I must have missed that.
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    Byrnzie wrote:
    So you've been reasoning? :confused: I must have missed that.

    You need a hobby. Maybe knitting. This whole obsessing over Palestinian thing is keeping you from your life's work. Maybe you can knit a suicide bomb.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    GauchoB wrote:
    You need a hobby. Maybe knitting. This whole obsessing over Palestinian thing is keeping you from your life's work. Maybe you can knit a suicide bomb.

    I'm not obsessed with it at all. I just see it for what it is - the most obvious example of western hypocrisy and double-standards, and the cause of much of the strife in the middle east.
    I know that gullible flag-suckers like yourself would love for the issue to be brushed under the carpet, or trivialised, but not everyone around here wears blinkers.
    Still, nice try. I was almost about to embrace your neo-con philosophy there for a second.
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    GauchoB wrote:
    No reasoning with a hater. Continue with your propaganda war.


    aha! look here, my good friends and peers, those are the words of surrender. many a time, i have heard these passive-aggressive declarations of withdrawal, with only slight variations in terminology. you'll find that it gets more and more predictable as you study this phenomenon. what is the effective antidote for this malaise of forethought, you ask? the debates rages on, i'm afraid.
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    aha! look here, my good friends and peers, those are the words of surrender. many a time, i have heard these passive-aggressive declarations of withdrawal, with only slight variations in terminology. you'll find that it gets more and more predictable as you study this phenomenon. what is the effective antidote for this malaise of forethought, you ask? the debates rages on, i'm afraid.

    I just know when and where and with whom to pick my battles. I dont have the time to piss in the wind with a knucklehead.
  • GauchoB
    GauchoB Posts: 224
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I'm not obsessed with it at all. I just see it for what it is - the most obvious example of western hypocrisy and double-standards, and the cause of much of the strife in the middle east.
    I know that gullible flag-suckers like yourself would love for the issue to be brushed under the carpet, or trivialised, but not everyone around here wears blinkers.
    Still, nice try. I was almost about to embrace your neo-con philosophy there for a second.

    Simply do a search of the word "Israel" in this forum and in the last 8 months alone you have STARTED, not just contributed to, but started 19 anti-Israel threads. That does not include the dozens of others you have contributed to. But no......your not obsessed.

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