Simply do a search of the word "Israel" in this forum and in the last 8 months alone you have STARTED, not just contributed to, but started 19 anti-Israel threads. That does not include the dozens of others you have contributed to. But no......your not obsessed.
Someone's gotta point all this shit out. I for one am glad Byrnzie's here to do it.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Simply do a search of the word "Israel" in this forum and in the last 8 months alone you have STARTED, not just contributed to, but started 19 anti-Israel threads. That does not include the dozens of others you have contributed to. But no......your not obsessed.
2.375 threads a month doesn't seem like an obsession
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Simply do a search of the word "Israel" in this forum and in the last 8 months alone you have STARTED, not just contributed to, but started 19 anti-Israel threads. That does not include the dozens of others you have contributed to. But no......your not obsessed.
You sound sound like those Americans that say being against the war is not patriotic.
Someone's gotta point all this shit out. I for one am glad Byrnzie's here to do it.
Your internet only picks up the fucking Message Pit in Ireland? You cant google this shit yourself without some whack job posting it all over this site?
Your internet only picks up the fucking Message Pit in Ireland? You cant google this shit yourself without some whack job posting it all over this site?
I take it you admit defeat and have no argument then?
I take it you admit defeat and have no argument then?
I have a job and need to go to sleep. Seriously you need to have a Rabbi over to your house to exorcize your Israel obsession. Maybe he can give you a briss too
One cannot read anyone's mind ... We can judge others based only on their behavior, which in the case of Hamas is utterly reprehensible. That doesn't mean we shouldn't talk to them ... It DOES mean that some skepticism with regards to their true motives is warranted.
do you consider israel's occupation and treatement of palestinians to be humane?
Your internet only picks up the fucking Message Pit in Ireland? You cant google this shit yourself without some whack job posting it all over this site?
Aggressive, aren't we? Also, calling Byrnzie a "whack job" for posting legitimate news stories seems questionable. Methinks you might consider bowing out of the thread sometime soon.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
do you consider israel's occupation and treatement of palestinians to be humane?
No, I do not. I support the idea of a Palestinian state, in which the latter can dictate their own affairs. I also think that Israel DOES have a history of excessive military responding where diplomacy might be a better option ... On the other hand, inhumane actions on the part of Israel do not mean that equally inhumane responses on the part of groups like Hamas are warranted, and one can make the argument that there is a direct link between Israel's militarism and the fact that they do face a legitimate threat from terrorists. Israel's impetus to strike the Palestinians would disappear if Hamas were to cease its attacks, and then Israel's hand would basically be forced in the direction of peace, assuming that they are interested in such.
No, I do not. I support the idea of a Palestinian state, in which the latter can dictate their own affairs. I also think that Israel DOES have a history of excessive military responding where diplomacy might be a better option ... On the other hand, inhumane actions on the part of Israel do not mean that equally inhumane responses on the part of groups like Hamas are warranted, and one can make the argument that there is a direct link between Israel's militarism and the fact that they do face a legitimate threat from terrorists. Israel's impetus to strike the Palestinians would disappear if Hamas were to cease its attacks, and then Israel's hand would basically be forced in the direction of peace, assuming that they are interested in such.
thing is Hamas was born like in 87? ... that's like 20 years after occupation ... agreed that it's hard to sympathize with suicide bombings but how long are you willing to be oppressed before you fight back?
it's not like a chicken and egg thing ... there was an instigator and it wasn't the palestinian people ...
thing is Hamas was born like in 87? ... that's like 20 years after occupation ... agreed that it's hard to sympathize with suicide bombings but how long are you willing to be oppressed before you fight back?
it's not like a chicken and egg thing ... there was an instigator and it wasn't the palestinian people ...
But the issue of who the original instigator was is now not relevant, really. The current conflict is maintained by the actions of both sides, and both will have to make changes. It cannot be unilateral at this point.
And for the record, one can pin as much blame on other Arab states as one can on Israel, with regards to the occupation of so-called Palestinian lands.
do you consider israel's occupation and treatement of palestinians to be humane?
Never said it was humane. Unfortunately Hamas has chosen war while Fatah is trying to obtain peace. If you choose war then people will get hurt. Their choice.
Never said it was humane. Unfortunately Hamas has chosen war while Fatah is trying to obtain peace. If you choose war then people will get hurt. Their choice.
Israel has decided war. And why shouldn't they, with billions coming from the most advanced military machine on the planet. Its where they have the upper hand.
But the issue of who the original instigator was is now not relevant, really. The current conflict is maintained by the actions of both sides, and both will have to make changes. It cannot be unilateral at this point.
And for the record, one can pin as much blame on other Arab states as one can on Israel, with regards to the occupation of so-called Palestinian lands.
Israel has decided war. And why shouldn't they, with billions coming from the most advanced military machine on the planet. Its where they have the upper hand.
But the issue of who the original instigator was is now not relevant, really. The current conflict is maintained by the actions of both sides, and both will have to make changes. It cannot be unilateral at this point.
And for the record, one can pin as much blame on other Arab states as one can on Israel, with regards to the occupation of so-called Palestinian lands.
but you are dismissing Hamas for what essentially is fighting back against their oppressors ... you want to marginalize them strictly as this extremist group ... that won't bring peace into the region ...
but you are dismissing Hamas for what essentially is fighting back against their oppressors ... you want to marginalize them strictly as this extremist group ... that won't bring peace into the region ...
Leaving Hamas to promote violence and terrorism certainly won't bring peace to the region either. Either Hamas is destroyed/disbanded/discredited, or they change their ideology (something that could be possible ... Look at the IRA) ... Something about Hamas and related groups has to change, just like the Israelis have to change.
Leaving Hamas to promote violence and terrorism certainly won't bring peace to the region either. Either Hamas is destroyed/disbanded/discredited, or they change their ideology (something that could be possible ... Look at the IRA) ... Something about Hamas and related groups has to change, just like the Israelis have to change.
Hamas has essentially taken over from the PLO politically ... they are more then just suicide bombers ... that's the point of this thread/discussion - if you just want to see them as some extremist group - then we'll never get anywhere ...
Hamas has essentially taken over from the PLO politically ... they are more then just suicide bombers ... that's the point of this thread/discussion - if you just want to see them as some extremist group - then we'll never get anywhere ...
they havent done much to show themselves as otherwise.
it doesn't take much to read into what hamas is to palestinians - obviously, you aren't interested in reading about it - so, there really is nothing to say ...
it doesn't take much to read into what hamas is to palestinians - obviously, you aren't interested in reading about it - so, there really is nothing to say ...
dude dont give me this bullshit. this is a message board. dont tell me to go read something. I made a statement, I was hoping you can provide some evidence or debate to the contrary.
dude dont give me this bullshit. this is a message board. dont tell me to go read something. I made a statement, I was hoping you can provide some evidence or debate to the contrary.
if i'm gonna type something - i'm most likely going to post a link for you to read ... so, what's the difference?
you want my opinion - read the thread ... but posting one line that continues to tow the same PR bs that i've heard a gazillion times isn't going to motivate me to respond with anything significant ...
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Someone's gotta point all this shit out. I for one am glad Byrnzie's here to do it.
2.375 threads a month doesn't seem like an obsession
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
You sound sound like those Americans that say being against the war is not patriotic.
So I'm 'Anti-Israel' because I'm against the occupation?
And anyone who criticises the occupation of Iraq is 'Anti-American', right?
Your internet only picks up the fucking Message Pit in Ireland? You cant google this shit yourself without some whack job posting it all over this site?
Im not sure which of us has far too much time on his/her hands. With stats like that I say you win. Game over.
Er, that would be more of a Texan thing to say and Texan I ain't.
I take it you admit defeat and have no argument then?
I have a job and need to go to sleep. Seriously you need to have a Rabbi over to your house to exorcize your Israel obsession. Maybe he can give you a briss too
do you consider israel's occupation and treatement of palestinians to be humane?
close minded you are.....that's universal unfortunately.
Aggressive, aren't we? Also, calling Byrnzie a "whack job" for posting legitimate news stories seems questionable. Methinks you might consider bowing out of the thread sometime soon.
No, I do not. I support the idea of a Palestinian state, in which the latter can dictate their own affairs. I also think that Israel DOES have a history of excessive military responding where diplomacy might be a better option ... On the other hand, inhumane actions on the part of Israel do not mean that equally inhumane responses on the part of groups like Hamas are warranted, and one can make the argument that there is a direct link between Israel's militarism and the fact that they do face a legitimate threat from terrorists. Israel's impetus to strike the Palestinians would disappear if Hamas were to cease its attacks, and then Israel's hand would basically be forced in the direction of peace, assuming that they are interested in such.
thing is Hamas was born like in 87? ... that's like 20 years after occupation ... agreed that it's hard to sympathize with suicide bombings but how long are you willing to be oppressed before you fight back?
it's not like a chicken and egg thing ... there was an instigator and it wasn't the palestinian people ...
But the issue of who the original instigator was is now not relevant, really. The current conflict is maintained by the actions of both sides, and both will have to make changes. It cannot be unilateral at this point.
And for the record, one can pin as much blame on other Arab states as one can on Israel, with regards to the occupation of so-called Palestinian lands.
Never said it was humane. Unfortunately Hamas has chosen war while Fatah is trying to obtain peace. If you choose war then people will get hurt. Their choice.
An enlightened soul.
Israel is choosing survival.
but you are dismissing Hamas for what essentially is fighting back against their oppressors ... you want to marginalize them strictly as this extremist group ... that won't bring peace into the region ...
Leaving Hamas to promote violence and terrorism certainly won't bring peace to the region either. Either Hamas is destroyed/disbanded/discredited, or they change their ideology (something that could be possible ... Look at the IRA) ... Something about Hamas and related groups has to change, just like the Israelis have to change.
Seems that's what the palestinians were doing when their land was taken from them or now when their homes are bulldozed by the Israeli army.
Hamas has essentially taken over from the PLO politically ... they are more then just suicide bombers ... that's the point of this thread/discussion - if you just want to see them as some extremist group - then we'll never get anywhere ...
they havent done much to show themselves as otherwise.
:rolleyes:
thats all ya got? I know you can do better.
ha!
it doesn't take much to read into what hamas is to palestinians - obviously, you aren't interested in reading about it - so, there really is nothing to say ...
dude dont give me this bullshit. this is a message board. dont tell me to go read something. I made a statement, I was hoping you can provide some evidence or debate to the contrary.
if i'm gonna type something - i'm most likely going to post a link for you to read ... so, what's the difference?
you want my opinion - read the thread ... but posting one line that continues to tow the same PR bs that i've heard a gazillion times isn't going to motivate me to respond with anything significant ...