logic vs feeling

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Why the hell not?

    becos your girlfriend has never died and you are different from your brother.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    Because how someone feels is entirely subjective and only the subject knows what that is about!

    Awesome point, hippiemom.

    Bullshit. Feelings are mixtures of brain chemicals that EVERYONE has in a normal brain. You can't tell me that oxytocin feels differently to you than it does to me, that's just ridiculous.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    For the record, I never took offense to your statements about autism. Shit like that doesn't bother me.

    i never thought you did. and it wasnt meant to be an insult anyway.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    becos your girlfriend has never died and you are different from your brother.

    Uh, wrong again pal. I was close to a girl that died.

    She was my "girlfriend' but we had a strong liking for each other. I know what that felt like, and I can imagine how that would feel to my bro, since I've had friends and family die.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    soulsinging wrote:
    i didnt call him autistic. i said some of his patterns seem autistic, or, as you pointed out here already, childishly egocentric. i also never said his views are automatically less valid than an expert, just that reading one article on a subject did not make him more knowledgeable than a phd, which i thought he was saying at the time. in any case, you can see now why i would have gotten frustrated trying to have a reasoned debate with him.
    Oh, I think I mentioned in that thread that I've found Ahnimus more repulsive than anyone I've ever been up against on this board. Or, maybe I said "repelling". I'm well aware he has issues. I completely understand why you were/would-be frustrated with him. He was repelling from our first conversations.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Bullshit. Feelings are mixtures of brain chemicals that EVERYONE has in a normal brain. You can't tell me that oxytocin feels differently to you than it does to me, that's just ridiculous.

    not at all. alcohol affects me differently than you. why is that? why did i become alcoholic and other people did not?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    not at all. alcohol affects me differently than you. why is that? why did i become alcoholic and other people did not?

    Environmental influences.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Bullshit. Feelings are mixtures of brain chemicals that EVERYONE has in a normal brain. You can't tell me that oxytocin feels differently to you than it does to me, that's just ridiculous.


    you can't honestly tell me you believe everyone has the exact same response to things???
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Uh, wrong again pal. I was close to a girl that died.

    She was my "girlfriend' but we had a strong liking for each other. I know what that felt like, and I can imagine how that would feel to my bro, since I've had friends and family die.

    then it is not the same. she was not your girlfriend. you say so yourself. also, look at your own language there. you say you can "imagine" how he feels. you do now know how he feels.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    Oh, I think I mentioned in that thread that I've found Ahnimus more repulsive than anyone I've ever been up against on this board. Or, maybe I said "repelling". I'm well aware he has issues. I completely understand why you were/would-be frustrated with him. He was repelling from our first conversations.

    I love you too. :)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Environmental influences.

    how do you measure these? why do some kids get beat by their parents and grow up to be serial killers and others rise above it and become crusaders against abuse?
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Bullshit. Feelings are mixtures of brain chemicals that EVERYONE has in a normal brain. You can't tell me that oxytocin feels differently to you than it does to me, that's just ridiculous.
    I definitely will tell you exactly that. Adamantly. You are objectifying people. As I said earlier in this thread, you obviously don't understand "subjective". You are way overboard in seeing objective in everything that you are not able to see the balance of the two.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    angelica wrote:
    Oh, I think I mentioned in that thread that I've found Ahnimus more repulsive than anyone I've ever been up against on this board. Or, maybe I said "repelling". I'm well aware he has issues. I completely understand why you were/would-be frustrated with him. He was repelling from our first conversations.

    so you were more incensed that i insulted autistic people by comparing them to ahnimus than the other way round ;)
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Uh, wrong again pal. I was close to a girl that died.

    She was my "girlfriend' but we had a strong liking for each other. I know what that felt like, and I can imagine how that would feel to my bro, since I've had friends and family die.
    You know how YOU felt when a particular girl died. I imagine you felt somewhat different when other people you know have died, based on your relationship with them, your general state of mind at the time, and other variables. Since no one else in the world shares in the relationship between your brother and his girlfriend, and no one else in the world shares his genetic makeup, and no one else has had all of his experiences, no one can know exactly how he feels.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    El_Kabong wrote:
    you can't honestly tell me you believe everyone has the exact same response to things???

    Not exactly, but it's not as if everyone has a unique feeling, there would be no point in having words to describe them. A slight difference in chemical reaction isn't going to make the word unusable and therefor not impossible to imagine.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    I definitely will tell you exactly that. Adamantly. You are objectifying people. As I said earlier in this thread, you obviously don't understand "subjective". You are way overboard in seeing objective in everything that you are not able to see the balance of the two.

    I am a fucking person.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I am a fucking person.
    You're point being?
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    You know how YOU felt when a particular girl died. I imagine you felt somewhat different when other people you know have died, based on your relationship with them, your general state of mind at the time, and other variables. Since no one else in the world shares in the relationship between your brother and his girlfriend, and no one else in the world shares his genetic makeup, and no one else has had all of his experiences, no one can know exactly how he feels.

    I felt the same when all of them died. It's the same feeling.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    angelica wrote:
    You're point being?

    I am not a robot, I know what subjective means, I know what emotions and feelings are, but I know how they come about and how they work within the brain. You assume they are some mystical, mysterious, unimaginable thing that exists outside of reality.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    how do you measure these? why do some kids get beat by their parents and grow up to be serial killers and others rise above it and become crusaders against abuse?

    Environmental influences. You are thinking in terms of linear cause and effect.

    I could have very easily been a serial killer if not for one person, or maybe two persons.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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