i refuse to read wikipedia. it's randomly submitted info that nobody reviews or checks for accuracy. anybody can submit anything they feel like. so there's no establishing the accuracy of anything. for a man who got so upset about the pop culture critique of that guy's work on homosexuality, you sure seem more than happy to accept it without question from wikipedia.
and why cant we scan them at birth? we'd be able to identify any serial killer tendencies from their genetics and brain chemistry right?
genetics aren't everything.
I'm sure you can follow the links on the wiki articles.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm not interested in a link. I'm interested in either a quote where it specifically explains your assertion, or I'm interested in seeing you specifically explain your assertion on your own. In what sense are the underlying brain activities that give rise to emotions and intuition "very logical"? This above quote does not say that at all.
You are looking for a sound byte, and you aren't going to find one. Trust me, if it was that simple, everyone would already know.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
werent you giving me a hard time a few weeks back when i said he refuses to answer questions and instead pastes quotes that are inapplicable?
No. I gave you a hard time for calling him autistic. I gave you a hard time for automatically taking the word of an "expert" based on education degree over a person who learns independently, independent of facts or proof. I realize Ahnimus thinks he can disprove one point by making another point. And we're left with two points, rather than any disproven point.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I gave you a hard time for automatically taking the word of an "expert" based on education degree over a person who learns independently, independent of facts or proof.
another quote from the author who orignated this thread:
"self knowledge is the only true knowledge"
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I will take that as that you cannot back-up your assertion. If you make a statement and cannot explain it, it speaks for itself.
Do yourself a favor and read up on it. I don't have time right now to type out a textbook and I'm sure the forum mods wouldn't appreciate it either.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
another quote from the author who orignated this thread:
"self knowledge is the only true knowledge"
Very nice.
I heard an Einstein quote years back--it's always been one of my favourites: "Knowledge is experience. All the rest is just information".
It may have been misquoted, because I've not been able to find it since, attributed to Einstein. I still agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments, though.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I have no intention of reading up on it. I was just wondering if you could stand behind your own statement. It looks like you can't.
That's a pretty emotional statement, isn't it?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Let's put it this way. My shift ends in 23 mins and I have a shitload of work to do. If you want me to give you a synopsis of the chemical basis of emotion and the logical circuitry of the brain, your going to have to wait. Or you can read it yourself.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Here is another thing Einstein said, roughly "Why remember something I can look up in a book."
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It's possible for me to accurately predict my brother's actions, because I know mostly everything about him. No I can't predict that he will get hit by a truck, but I can accurately predict how he would feel if he lost his GF.
You may be able to accurately predict how he would behave, or what he might say. There is no way you can know how he feels.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
You may be able to accurately predict how he would behave, or what he might say. There is no way you can know how he feels.
Why the hell not?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Here is another thing Einstein said, roughly "Why remember something I can look up in a book."
Exactly! Why waste your precious memory storage on something that you can just read again later when you could be using that space to store experience and knowledge gained from it?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
No. I gave you a hard time for calling him autistic. I gave you a hard time for automatically taking the word of an "expert" based on education degree over a person who learns independently, independent of facts or proof. I realize Ahnimus thinks he can disprove one point by making another point. And we're left with two points, rather than any disproven point.
i didnt call him autistic. i said some of his patterns seem autistic, or, as you pointed out here already, childishly egocentric. i also never said his views are automatically less valid than an expert, just that reading one article on a subject did not make him more knowledgeable than a phd, which i thought he was saying at the time. in any case, you can see now why i would have gotten frustrated trying to have a reasoned debate with him.
Exactly! Why waste your precious memory storage on something that you can just read again later when you could be using that space to store experience and knowledge gained from it?
For basic understanding. You still need to read to get a basic understanding. The details can be looked up.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
b/c emotions are complex, not cold, black and white...
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i didnt call him autistic. i said some of his patterns seem autistic, or, as you pointed out here already, childishly egocentric. i also never said his views are automatically less valid than an expert, just that reading one article on a subject did not make him more knowledgeable than a phd, which i thought he was saying at the time. in any case, you can see now why i would have gotten frustrated trying to have a reasoned debate with him.
For the record, I never took offense to your statements about autism. Shit like that doesn't bother me.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm sure you can follow the links on the wiki articles.
but you're saying human feelings are entirely chemical. thus, they should be determined entirely and solely by biological functions... genetics, brain activity, etc.
Because how someone feels is entirely subjective and only the subject knows what that is about!
Awesome point, hippiemom.
Bullshit. Feelings are mixtures of brain chemicals that EVERYONE has in a normal brain. You can't tell me that oxytocin feels differently to you than it does to me, that's just ridiculous.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
becos your girlfriend has never died and you are different from your brother.
Uh, wrong again pal. I was close to a girl that died.
She was my "girlfriend' but we had a strong liking for each other. I know what that felt like, and I can imagine how that would feel to my bro, since I've had friends and family die.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i didnt call him autistic. i said some of his patterns seem autistic, or, as you pointed out here already, childishly egocentric. i also never said his views are automatically less valid than an expert, just that reading one article on a subject did not make him more knowledgeable than a phd, which i thought he was saying at the time. in any case, you can see now why i would have gotten frustrated trying to have a reasoned debate with him.
Oh, I think I mentioned in that thread that I've found Ahnimus more repulsive than anyone I've ever been up against on this board. Or, maybe I said "repelling". I'm well aware he has issues. I completely understand why you were/would-be frustrated with him. He was repelling from our first conversations.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Bullshit. Feelings are mixtures of brain chemicals that EVERYONE has in a normal brain. You can't tell me that oxytocin feels differently to you than it does to me, that's just ridiculous.
not at all. alcohol affects me differently than you. why is that? why did i become alcoholic and other people did not?
not at all. alcohol affects me differently than you. why is that? why did i become alcoholic and other people did not?
Environmental influences.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Bullshit. Feelings are mixtures of brain chemicals that EVERYONE has in a normal brain. You can't tell me that oxytocin feels differently to you than it does to me, that's just ridiculous.
you can't honestly tell me you believe everyone has the exact same response to things???
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Uh, wrong again pal. I was close to a girl that died.
She was my "girlfriend' but we had a strong liking for each other. I know what that felt like, and I can imagine how that would feel to my bro, since I've had friends and family die.
then it is not the same. she was not your girlfriend. you say so yourself. also, look at your own language there. you say you can "imagine" how he feels. you do now know how he feels.
Oh, I think I mentioned in that thread that I've found Ahnimus more repulsive than anyone I've ever been up against on this board. Or, maybe I said "repelling". I'm well aware he has issues. I completely understand why you were/would-be frustrated with him. He was repelling from our first conversations.
I love you too.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Comments
genetics aren't everything.
I'm sure you can follow the links on the wiki articles.
You are looking for a sound byte, and you aren't going to find one. Trust me, if it was that simple, everyone would already know.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
another quote from the author who orignated this thread:
"self knowledge is the only true knowledge"
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Do yourself a favor and read up on it. I don't have time right now to type out a textbook and I'm sure the forum mods wouldn't appreciate it either.
I heard an Einstein quote years back--it's always been one of my favourites: "Knowledge is experience. All the rest is just information".
It may have been misquoted, because I've not been able to find it since, attributed to Einstein. I still agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments, though.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
That's a pretty emotional statement, isn't it?
Why the hell not?
Exactly! Why waste your precious memory storage on something that you can just read again later when you could be using that space to store experience and knowledge gained from it?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i didnt call him autistic. i said some of his patterns seem autistic, or, as you pointed out here already, childishly egocentric. i also never said his views are automatically less valid than an expert, just that reading one article on a subject did not make him more knowledgeable than a phd, which i thought he was saying at the time. in any case, you can see now why i would have gotten frustrated trying to have a reasoned debate with him.
Awesome point, hippiemom.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
For basic understanding. You still need to read to get a basic understanding. The details can be looked up.
b/c emotions are complex, not cold, black and white...
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
For the record, I never took offense to your statements about autism. Shit like that doesn't bother me.
but you're saying human feelings are entirely chemical. thus, they should be determined entirely and solely by biological functions... genetics, brain activity, etc.
becos your girlfriend has never died and you are different from your brother.
Bullshit. Feelings are mixtures of brain chemicals that EVERYONE has in a normal brain. You can't tell me that oxytocin feels differently to you than it does to me, that's just ridiculous.
i never thought you did. and it wasnt meant to be an insult anyway.
Uh, wrong again pal. I was close to a girl that died.
She was my "girlfriend' but we had a strong liking for each other. I know what that felt like, and I can imagine how that would feel to my bro, since I've had friends and family die.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
not at all. alcohol affects me differently than you. why is that? why did i become alcoholic and other people did not?
Environmental influences.
you can't honestly tell me you believe everyone has the exact same response to things???
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
then it is not the same. she was not your girlfriend. you say so yourself. also, look at your own language there. you say you can "imagine" how he feels. you do now know how he feels.
I love you too.