logic vs feeling

El_Kabong

an interesting quote i found:

"At our best we beings are much, much grander than merely rational; at our best we transcend rationality while incorporating its procedures into our lower levels of functioning. This is why computers will never replace people, for they are condensed to be rational, and hence very limited."

chopitdown

The poet only asks to get his head into the heavens. It is the logician who seeks to get the heavens into his head. And it is his head that splits.

angelica

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind it's faithful servant. We have created a society that honours the servant and has forgotten the gift." - Albert Einstein

Abookamongstthemany

angelica wrote:

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind it's faithful servant. We have created a society that honours the servant and has forgotten the gift." - Albert Einstein

Beautiful quote, Angelica!

angelica

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Beautiful quote, Angelica!

Thanks! That Einstein!

angelica

I'm big on integrating all of our intelligences. I'm greatly fond of logic and of rational thought. At the same time, it cannot tolerate much grey area. And there is so much grey area in life. Logic skirts the subjects it is uncomfortable with, such as interpretation and human issues. The problem is we cannot just avoid what is awkward, pretending it does not exist or that it is not valid. That is ignorance. We must increase our skill at dealing with what is not in black and white and to do so, we move beyond logic, while also embracing it.

world

logic vs feeling

male vs female

Drowned Out

world wrote:

logic vs feeling

male vs female

not pc to say...but it was the first thing I thought when I saw the thread title

angelica

Thankfully those who are predominantly "feelers" are not limited to women only, or we wouldn't have had the brilliance of John Lennon, or of Eddie Vedder, not to mention Ghandi, Jesus, Albert Camus, Abraham Maslow or C. G. Jung.

CorporateWhore

logic vs. feeling?

reason vs. faith?

One in the same?

More on Thomism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomism

Ahnimus

El_Kabong wrote:

an interesting quote i found:

"At our best we beings are much, much grander than merely rational; at our best we transcend rationality while incorporating its procedures into our lower levels of functioning. This is why computers will never replace people, for they are condensed to be rational, and hence very limited."

I don't get it...

We transcend rationality to what? It's never mentioned in the quote. Is it irrationality? While incorporating it's procedures into our lower levels of functioning? So then we go back down to sub-rationality?

"This is why computers will never replace people, for they are condensed to be rational, and hence very limited."

Actually I have a totally rational reason for this. A human can do what would take billions of lines of code for a computer to do. Actually my whole job could be done by a computer, but the computer can't catch errors it's not programmed to catch.

Ahnimus

chopitdown wrote:

The poet only asks to get his head into the heavens. It is the logician who seeks to get the heavens into his head. And it is his head that splits.

Heaven is in the head if you ask me. It's called creativity. You will also find the fountain of youth there, the easter bunny, santa claus and a whole bunch of other myths.

angelica

Exactly what is Emotional Intelligence? The term encompasses the following five characteristics and abilities:

1. Self-awareness--knowing your emotions, recognizing feelings as they occur, and discriminating between them
2. Mood management--handling feelings so they're relevant to the current situation and you react appropriately
3. Self-motivation--"gathering up" your feelings and directing yourself towards a goal, despite self-doubt, inertia, and impulsiveness
4. Empathy--recognizing feelings in others and tuning into their verbal and nonverbal cues
5. Managing relationships--handling interpersonal interaction, conflict resolution, and negotiations

Why Do We Need Emotional Intelligence?
Research in brain-based learning suggests that emotional health is fundamental to effective learning. According to a report from the National Center for Clinical Infant Programs, the most critical element for a student's success in school is an understanding of how to learn. (Emotional Intelligence, p. 193.) The key ingredients for this understanding are:
Confidence
Curiosity
Intentionality
Self-control
Relatedness
Capacity to communicate
Ability to cooperate
These traits are all aspects of Emotional Intelligence. Basically, a student who learns to learn is much more apt to succeed. Emotional Intelligence has proven a better predictor of future success than traditional methods like the GPA, IQ, and standardized test scores.

edit: http://www.funderstanding.com/eq.cfm

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind it's faithful servant. We have created a society that honours the servant and has forgotten the gift." - Albert Einstein

The fronto-insular cortex (FI) is actually a fast-processing rational machine. That's where we get "intuition" from. I guess we didn't have many neuroscientists in Einstein's time.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

Exactly what is Emotional Intelligence? The term encompasses the following five characteristics and abilities:

1. Self-awareness--knowing your emotions, recognizing feelings as they occur, and discriminating between them
2. Mood management--handling feelings so they're relevant to the current situation and you react appropriately
3. Self-motivation--"gathering up" your feelings and directing yourself towards a goal, despite self-doubt, inertia, and impulsiveness
4. Empathy--recognizing feelings in others and tuning into their verbal and nonverbal cues
5. Managing relationships--handling interpersonal interaction, conflict resolution, and negotiations

Why Do We Need Emotional Intelligence?
Research in brain-based learning suggests that emotional health is fundamental to effective learning. According to a report from the National Center for Clinical Infant Programs, the most critical element for a student's success in school is an understanding of how to learn. (Emotional Intelligence, p. 193.) The key ingredients for this understanding are:
Confidence
Curiosity
Intentionality
Self-control
Relatedness
Capacity to communicate
Ability to cooperate
These traits are all aspects of Emotional Intelligence. Basically, a student who learns to learn is much more apt to succeed. Emotional Intelligence has proven a better predictor of future success than traditional methods like the GPA, IQ, and standardized test scores.

Ok now we are skipping all over the brain. We started with creativity, went to intuition and now we are talking about emotion and a whole mess of other things? Those are all functions of the brain which is very systematic, you could say rational.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Ok now we are skipping all over the brain. We started with creativity, went to intuition and now we are talking about emotion and a whole mess of other things? Those are all functions of the brain which is very systematic, you could say rational.

Emotional intelligence refers to the "feeling" part of "logic vs feeling", as the thread is titled. Emotionals are alogical, meaning beyond logic, whether you like it or not.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

Emotional intelligence refers to the "feeling" part of "logic vs feeling", as the thread is titled. Emotionals are alogical, meaning beyond logic, whether you like it or not.

You should say: Whether I know how it works or not.

Ok, while you are crying over spilled milk, I'm learning what a beta cell in the islet of a pancreas does. Neither of which will do either of us any good in the future. Unless of course I decided to go to school and get a degree.

Ahnimus

I'm going to write a wikipedia rap tune... "wiki... wiki, wiki..." or something to that effect.

"Emotion, in its most general definition, is an intense neural mental state that arises subjectively rather than through conscious effort and evokes either a positive or negative psychological response to move an organism to action. An emotion is differentiated from a feeling."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion

Ahnimus

"wiki... wiki, wiki..."

"Feelings are affective states of consciousness, triggered by physiological changes arising from both sensory perceptions and memories in comparison to internally stored norms or ideals. Thinking, or the active comparing and contrasting of data, involves mental states that symbolize physiological changes and can be perceived as such."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeling

Ahnimus

Ok, first off, I'm going to let everyone have their own delusions so I don't get chewed out by the board again.

Personally, I don't think it is "logic vs feeling" I think "feeling is logic with the absence of the unknown." Thinking logically we can say, well we don't know what we don't know. Thinking intuitively we don't make that consideration. Emotion doesn't make that consideration either.

Ahnimus

That's it, you can go back to dreaming now. Sorry to have stolen anyone's sunshine. :cool: