logic vs feeling

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

i refuse to read wikipedia. it's randomly submitted info that nobody reviews or checks for accuracy. anybody can submit anything they feel like. so there's no establishing the accuracy of anything. for a man who got so upset about the pop culture critique of that guy's work on homosexuality, you sure seem more than happy to accept it without question from wikipedia.

and why cant we scan them at birth? we'd be able to identify any serial killer tendencies from their genetics and brain chemistry right?

genetics aren't everything.

I'm sure you can follow the links on the wiki articles.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

I'm not interested in a link. I'm interested in either a quote where it specifically explains your assertion, or I'm interested in seeing you specifically explain your assertion on your own. In what sense are the underlying brain activities that give rise to emotions and intuition "very logical"? This above quote does not say that at all.

You are looking for a sound byte, and you aren't going to find one. Trust me, if it was that simple, everyone would already know.

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

werent you giving me a hard time a few weeks back when i said he refuses to answer questions and instead pastes quotes that are inapplicable?

No. I gave you a hard time for calling him autistic. I gave you a hard time for automatically taking the word of an "expert" based on education degree over a person who learns independently, independent of facts or proof. I realize Ahnimus thinks he can disprove one point by making another point. And we're left with two points, rather than any disproven point.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

You are looking for a sound byte, and you aren't going to find one. Trust me, if it was that simple, everyone would already know.

I will take that as that you cannot back-up your assertion. If you make a statement and cannot explain it, it speaks for itself.

El_Kabong

angelica wrote:

I gave you a hard time for automatically taking the word of an "expert" based on education degree over a person who learns independently, independent of facts or proof.

another quote from the author who orignated this thread:
"self knowledge is the only true knowledge"

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

I will take that as that you cannot back-up your assertion. If you make a statement and cannot explain it, it speaks for itself.

Do yourself a favor and read up on it. I don't have time right now to type out a textbook and I'm sure the forum mods wouldn't appreciate it either.

angelica

El_Kabong wrote:

another quote from the author who orignated this thread:
"self knowledge is the only true knowledge"

Very nice.

I heard an Einstein quote years back--it's always been one of my favourites: "Knowledge is experience. All the rest is just information".

It may have been misquoted, because I've not been able to find it since, attributed to Einstein. I still agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments, though.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Do yourself a favor and read up on it. I don't have time right now to type out a textbook and I'm sure the forum mods wouldn't appreciate it either.

I have no intention of reading up on it. I was just wondering if you could stand behind your own statement. It looks like you can't.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

I have no intention of reading up on it. I was just wondering if you could stand behind your own statement. It looks like you can't.

That's a pretty emotional statement, isn't it?

Ahnimus

Let's put it this way. My shift ends in 23 mins and I have a shitload of work to do. If you want me to give you a synopsis of the chemical basis of emotion and the logical circuitry of the brain, your going to have to wait. Or you can read it yourself.

Ahnimus

Here is another thing Einstein said, roughly "Why remember something I can look up in a book."

hippiemom

Ahnimus wrote:

It's possible for me to accurately predict my brother's actions, because I know mostly everything about him. No I can't predict that he will get hit by a truck, but I can accurately predict how he would feel if he lost his GF.

You may be able to accurately predict how he would behave, or what he might say. There is no way you can know how he feels.

Ahnimus

hippiemom wrote:

You may be able to accurately predict how he would behave, or what he might say. There is no way you can know how he feels.

Why the hell not?

Abookamongstthemany

Ahnimus wrote:

Here is another thing Einstein said, roughly "Why remember something I can look up in a book."

Exactly! Why waste your precious memory storage on something that you can just read again later when you could be using that space to store experience and knowledge gained from it?

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

No. I gave you a hard time for calling him autistic. I gave you a hard time for automatically taking the word of an "expert" based on education degree over a person who learns independently, independent of facts or proof. I realize Ahnimus thinks he can disprove one point by making another point. And we're left with two points, rather than any disproven point.

i didnt call him autistic. i said some of his patterns seem autistic, or, as you pointed out here already, childishly egocentric. i also never said his views are automatically less valid than an expert, just that reading one article on a subject did not make him more knowledgeable than a phd, which i thought he was saying at the time. in any case, you can see now why i would have gotten frustrated trying to have a reasoned debate with him.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Why the hell not?

Because how someone feels is entirely subjective and only the subject knows what that is about!

Awesome point, hippiemom.

Ahnimus

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Exactly! Why waste your precious memory storage on something that you can just read again later when you could be using that space to store experience and knowledge gained from it?

For basic understanding. You still need to read to get a basic understanding. The details can be looked up.

El_Kabong

Ahnimus wrote:

Why the hell not?

b/c emotions are complex, not cold, black and white...

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

i didnt call him autistic. i said some of his patterns seem autistic, or, as you pointed out here already, childishly egocentric. i also never said his views are automatically less valid than an expert, just that reading one article on a subject did not make him more knowledgeable than a phd, which i thought he was saying at the time. in any case, you can see now why i would have gotten frustrated trying to have a reasoned debate with him.

For the record, I never took offense to your statements about autism. Shit like that doesn't bother me.

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

genetics aren't everything.

I'm sure you can follow the links on the wiki articles.

but you're saying human feelings are entirely chemical. thus, they should be determined entirely and solely by biological functions... genetics, brain activity, etc.