short 9/11 video (includes molten steel columns

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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Specifics wrote:


    You're an idiot, that plane definitely crashed into the Pentagon.

    Could you show us some proof of the plane hitting the pentagon, cos so far i've seen none.
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    When you get a chance do a google video search on "The Power of Nightmares"

    your views are too simplistic...

    Yes i second that, and it was made by the BBC but i guess this is just conspiricy theriosts too.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm

    Would be good for some of you to get a tiny little history lesson.
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  • What I was having a go at was the conspiracy theorists who use every if and maybe in their favour but put their hands in their ears to any evidence which goes against their agenda. THAT is what is simplistic. It is not simplistic to have a go at people for being simplistic.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    spiral out wrote:
    Could you show us some proof of the plane hitting the pentagon, cos so far i've seen none.

    Both black boxes from the hijacked aircraft which crashed into the Pentagon have also been recovered and turned over to the Federal Aviation Administration. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1543564.stm

    I bet the gov't took the black boxes out of the orignal aircraft and then planted them in the missile that really hit the pentagon :rolleyes:
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  • SpecificsSpecifics Posts: 417
    So what? That all just flies right by you without a thought? lol oh man..

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    Got ya
    spiral out wrote:
    Could you show us some proof of the plane hitting the pentagon, cos so far i've seen none.

    And i got you as well

    Dudes read it again i was bored and joking, i guess you yanks really dont get irony! ;)

    Anyways I cant give you any proof, that i would call proof, because as far as i can see there isnt any.

    Roland nice find, but is this for real? I mean we cant truly believe that untill someone comes forward and faces the pack, i know this may prove impossible, and he would get rubbished by a tonne of people on the threat of losing everything they have, but I dont know.
    The story fits the situation more than anything i've read officially but how hard is it to find something real in this whole thing?? fuck its annoying! And its this that makes it suss for me.

    I will say tho, seriously this time, im fed up of hearing that the Bush administration could never have pulled this off, its too big, too complex, all that shit. Its nothing, anyone of a certain station in life could have pulled this off relatively easy, easy.

    And the Bush administration worked they're way to the head of the current super-power in this World, by being idiots? nice idea but easily the most unbelievable premis of all.

    Their actions, however, seem idiotic? how can this be?
    Thats suspicious to me.
  • ninerniner Posts: 72
    if all the facts are true regaurding conspiracy, what was the motive? money?
  • SpecificsSpecifics Posts: 417
    niner wrote:
    if all the facts are true regaurding conspiracy, what was the motive? money?

    Cheese

    Dude if you cant see any motive no-one can help.

    C'mon fucking hell! believe what you want about the events of the day, but its this sort of shit that really puts me off the non-questioning, do as your told side of the fence.

    Power, status-quo, expansionism, religious dominance, moral dominance, pure arrogance.

    Take your pick, all together, who the fuck knows what goes thru these peoples heads? but it does.
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    niner wrote:
    if all the facts are true regaurding conspiracy, what was the motive? money?

    money and power (I don't believe the conspiracy theories at all but if they are true those are DEFINITELY the reasons)
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  • SpecificsSpecifics Posts: 417
    chopitdown wrote:
    money and power (I don't believe the conspiracy theories at all but if they are true those are DEFINITELY the reasons)

    Damn, you DEFINITELY, not even definitely, know what goes on in other peoples minds? Even people that have had a much different life to, well mine, maybe not yours?

    Then im with you! spilll me EXACTLY what happened on that day and that will do for me.
  • ninerniner Posts: 72
    chopitdown wrote:
    money and power (I don't believe the conspiracy theories at all but if they are true those are DEFINITELY the reasons)


    right, if they are true.

    so those who believe the conspiracy, show me who and what was gained from all that distruction. and why would the gov be in on it?

    i'm being sincere and puzzled about this. it would be easier for me to entertain the conspiracy if i could see the result of it
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Specifics wrote:
    Damn, you DEFINITELY, not even definitely, know what goes on in other peoples minds? Even people that have had a much different life to, well mine, maybe not yours?

    Then im with you! spilll me EXACTLY what happened on that day and that will do for me.

    you want to play the damn semantics game fine... I said I don't BELIEVE the conspiracy THEORIES...I didn't say I KNOW the conspiracy theories are wrong. I also don't think the gov't has been forthright with us about that day... But just to be clear you do agree that money and power are the reason? or are you just looking to argue about something?

    the question wasn't what do the conspiracy theorists gain from this...the question was if the facts are true, why the conspiracy and clearly if the facts are true the people in control (PNAC) had a lot of money and power to be gained.
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  • Specifics wrote:
    Got ya



    And i got you as well

    Dudes read it again i was bored and joking, i guess you yanks really dont get irony! ;)

    Anyways I cant give you any proof, that i would call proof, because as far as i can see there isnt any.

    Roland nice find, but is this for real? I mean we cant truly believe that untill someone comes forward and faces the pack, i know this may prove impossible, and he would get rubbished by a tonne of people on the threat of losing everything they have, but I dont know.
    The story fits the situation more than anything i've read officially but how hard is it to find something real in this whole thing?? fuck its annoying! And its this that makes it suss for me.

    I will say tho, seriously this time, im fed up of hearing that the Bush administration could never have pulled this off, its too big, too complex, all that shit. Its nothing, anyone of a certain station in life could have pulled this off relatively easy, easy.

    And the Bush administration worked they're way to the head of the current super-power in this World, by being idiots? nice idea but easily the most unbelievable premis of all.

    Their actions, however, seem idiotic? how can this be?
    Thats suspicious to me.

    lol... I was wondering the whole time I replied.

    The police and fire dept tapes are currently sealed (most likely erased, burned, and buried mind you) along with the sheraton and citgo evidence.

    In reality nobody wants to be one of the first to come out and risk their career, family, social status, gov't harassment etc... Everyone is scared. And rightly so. The cops can raid your house for no reason at all now and you can't say boo.. They police and gov't can say and do anything they want.

    Most of the individuals speaking out are not living in America from what I have seen. People that do speak, do so in Europe, because very few in America really want to hear it, or can deal with thinking about it. The blinders are on full tilt and extra dark. Mention it, and they'll hate you for it.

    If Bush acted and spoke intelligently he couldn't pull off half the shit that he gets away with. Once the Bush clown and pony show moves out, things will start to happen, and people will begin to realize what really went down.

    To me it's very simple. Buildings don't vaporize like that. Period. And yes, it really is that obvious.
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  • What I was having a go at was the conspiracy theorists who use every if and maybe in their favour but put their hands in their ears to any evidence which goes against their agenda. THAT is what is simplistic. It is not simplistic to have a go at people for being simplistic.

    So many highly educated and well respected people all acting so simplistic and iffy about 9/11

    Maybe that's the real conspiracy eh? yep that's it... :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • chopitdown wrote:
    Both black boxes from the hijacked aircraft which crashed into the Pentagon have also been recovered and turned over to the Federal Aviation Administration. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1543564.stm

    I bet the gov't took the black boxes out of the orignal aircraft and then planted them in the missile that really hit the pentagon :rolleyes:

    I just want to know... did the engines on the airplane fly away into outer space somewhere just before impact?

    must of...looking at the crash photos, they sure as heck didn't touch the Pentagon.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • SpecificsSpecifics Posts: 417
    chopitdown wrote:
    you want to play the damn semantics game fine... I said I don't BELIEVE the conspiracy THEORIES...I didn't say I KNOW the conspiracy theories are wrong. I also don't think the gov't has been forthright with us about that day... But just to be clear you do agree that money and power are the reason? or are you just looking to argue about something?

    the question wasn't what do the conspiracy theorists gain from this...the question was if the facts are true, why the conspiracy and clearly if the facts are true the people in control (PNAC) had a lot of money and power to be gained.

    Ok dude maybe i over-reacted, fair call.

    But what I was getting at was you cant know out of all the possible reasons why people in power would do this (there are lots of possibles, people are strange), which one/ones it was. And coming at it from the mindset that you do know puts your views a little off for me.

    Sure theres money to be gained, but i think it would be a little simplistic that it was all done for money.
    Power, yes i would guess so, but for any of the reasons i stated above and more.

    I guess really it all comes down to money and power anyway so maybe i am just arguing semantics like an idiot.
  • SpecificsSpecifics Posts: 417
    lol... I was wondering the whole time I replied.

    The police and fire dept tapes are currently sealed (most likely erased, burned, and buried mind you) along with the sheraton and citgo evidence.

    Cool, 1-0 to me then :)

    Doubt theres any physical evidence left anywhere dude. Not counting the collapse videos of course.

    Why seal all this? Crazy that this is not a massive thing for all people. Crack the tapes and security videos out and lets all kick back and see that muslim terrorists did all this.
  • spiral out wrote:
    Yes i second that, and it was made by the BBC but i guess this is just conspiricy theriosts too.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/3755686.stm

    Would be good for some of you to get a tiny little history lesson.

    Every time I look at the news now I scrutinize everything through a "fear filter". Shootings, murders, robbery, bombs, deadly fires, deadly storms, 24/7 terrorism...the list is endless.

    When's the last time you heard a heart warming story in the news?

    It's very much a big fear campaign... Keeps people consuming...keeps people flocking to the government for protection. Baaa...Mooo...drool

    I say fuck that noise kemosabe... see it for what it is....PROPAGANDA.

    Why do you think Americans own so many guns? The media keeps everyone scared shitless.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    chopitdown wrote:
    Both black boxes from the hijacked aircraft which crashed into the Pentagon have also been recovered and turned over to the Federal Aviation Administration. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1543564.stm

    I bet the gov't took the black boxes out of the orignal aircraft and then planted them in the missile that really hit the pentagon :rolleyes:

    They could have come from anywhere though just like miniscule amonts of supposed plane wreckage.

    And it's lovely how they couldn't access the data.

    It's just amazing the amount of first time for everythings that happened on that day.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • Specifics wrote:
    Cool, 1-0 to me then :)

    Doubt theres any physical evidence left anywhere dude. Not counting the collapse videos of course.

    Why seal all this? Crazy that this is not a massive thing for all people. Crack the tapes and security videos out and lets all kick back and see that muslim terrorists did all this.

    Well...people in China are probably drinking pepsi from WTC cans.

    haul all that shit off and burn it...yeah that's it. I wonder if the Chinese people were kind enough to pick out all the human remains first in order to finish burying people. So many reports of scooping up human remains with the scrap metal into a dumptruck and dragging it off to recycle.

    Sickening.

    Perhaps the biggest most imfamous crime comitteed on American soil in history. Investigate it properly? nah... burn it all. None of it could ever come in handy later on. Bush can see in to the future and know all that is to be and done apparently.

    Lift that rug up a little higher!

    Makes so much sense.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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    (\__/)
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    Specifics wrote:
    Ok dude maybe i over-reacted, fair call.

    But what I was getting at was you cant know out of all the possible reasons why people in power would do this (there are lots of possibles, people are strange), which one/ones it was. And coming at it from the mindset that you do know puts your views a little off for me.

    Sure theres money to be gained, but i think it would be a little simplistic that it was all done for money.
    Power, yes i would guess so, but for any of the reasons i stated above and more.

    I guess really it all comes down to money and power anyway so maybe i am just arguing semantics like an idiot.

    it is a touchy subject for everyone so it's understandable why people get a little fired up and we all do. I realize money and power is a gross simplification of the possible reasons, but it's also the easiest thing to type out w/o writing a thesis on the topic :) Have a good one.
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Specifics wrote:

    Dudes read it again i was bored and joking, i guess you yanks really dont get irony! ;)

    Hey please don't call me a yank. ;)
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    spiral out wrote:
    They could have come from anywhere though just like miniscule amonts of supposed plane wreckage.

    And it's lovely how they couldn't access the data.

    It's just amazing the amount of first time for everythings that happened on that day.

    yes they COULD have come from anywhere. But if people report seeing an airplane flying into the pentagon AND they find the black boxes of the plane that is missing IN the pentagon it wouldn't it make sense that just maybe it was a plane that hit the pentagon? To me, it seeems like you have to ignore a lot of common sense and logic and facts to deduce that it wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon...

    it's just amazing that the US gov't botches most anything it does...except it executed everything perfectly that day.
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Every time I look at the news now I scrutinize everything through a "fear filter". Shootings, murders, robbery, bombs, deadly fires, deadly storms, 24/7 terrorism...the list is endless.

    When's the last time you heard a heart warming story in the news?

    It's very much a big fear campaign... Keeps people consuming...keeps people flocking to the government for protection. Baaa...Mooo...drool

    I say fuck that noise kemosabe... see it for what it is....PROPAGANDA.

    Why do you think Americans own so many guns? The media keeps everyone scared shitless.

    Yea i avoid watching the news as much as possible now, because who knows whats real.

    I'd rather go about my day without all the scaremongering they put out there and hell if they decide to pull off another terriost attack being scared all the way up to it happening is a waste of my time and energy.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • chopitdown wrote:
    yes they COULD have come from anywhere. But if people report seeing an airplane flying into the pentagon AND they find the black boxes of the plane that is missing IN the pentagon it wouldn't it make sense that just maybe it was a plane that hit the pentagon? To me, it seeems like you have to ignore a lot of common sense and logic and facts to deduce that it wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon...

    it's just amazing that the US gov't botches most anything it does...except it executed everything perfectly that day.

    I don't think they're botching anything. I would say it's all going more or less exactly according to their plan so far.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
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  • SpecificsSpecifics Posts: 417
    spiral out wrote:
    Hey please don't call me a yank. ;)

    Oh yeah, sorry cock :)

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  • mookie9999mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    Well...people in China are probably drinking pepsi from WTC cans.

    haul all that shit off and burn it...yeah that's it. I wonder if the Chinese people were kind enough to pick out all the human remains first in order to finish burying people. So many reports of scooping up human remains with the scrap metal into a dumptruck and dragging it off to recycle.

    Sickening.

    Perhaps the biggest most imfamous crime comitteed on American soil in history. Investigate it properly? nah... burn it all. None of it could ever come in handy later on. Bush can see in to the future and know all that is to be and done apparently.

    Lift that rug up a little higher!

    Makes so much sense.
    I'll agree with you on this point, that it is disgusting the way the remains were treated. I know some people have said they did all they could for recover for identification purposes, but if that's true, why is the city of NY having to dig up the West Side Highway to recover fragments out of manholes and the street in general that was paved with the aforementioned particles. Quite disgusting, indeed.
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  • mookie9999mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    I just want to know... did the engines on the airplane fly away into outer space somewhere just before impact?

    must of...looking at the crash photos, they sure as heck didn't touch the Pentagon.

    Now were getting somewhere. So the supposed plane (Flight 77) never hit the Pentagon? Ok, where is it? Where are the passengers? Since so many people speak out for the conspiracy side from Europe, what do you think of this video by the BBC? http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

    Disregard the majority of the information on the page considering how it will debunk what you hold in your heart to be true, and just focus on the first video down from the front. Granted it doesn't show the plane hitting the pentagon, but let me know what you think.
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  • SpecificsSpecifics Posts: 417
    mookie9999 wrote:
    Now were getting somewhere. So the supposed plane (Flight 77) never hit the Pentagon? Ok, where is it? Where are the passengers? Since so many people speak out for the conspiracy side from Europe, what do you think of this video by the BBC? http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

    Disregard the majority of the information on the page considering how it will debunk what you hold in your heart to be true, and just focus on the first video down from the front. Granted it doesn't show the plane hitting the pentagon, but let me know what you think.

    First i'll say i dont hold anything in my heart about it, from what i can see the desperation comes from those who want to deny all sensible discussion on the subject.

    I have strong doubts that there was no plane involved in the pentagon thing, however nothing including the page you posted, proves there was. There MUST be clearer images than this.

    The interesting thing is that you say the other information on the page will debunk the conspiracy side when in fact it supports a large part of what has been said in this thread. Specifically about the planes ability to destroy enough of the structure in the twin towers to cause the total collapse witnessed. Very interesting indeed.

    EDIT:Ok read you're post again and im not sure who you're saying will be debunked, and the page makes a HELL of a lot of sense from my viewpoint, still not sure where you're coming from tho, you're a tricky customer:)
  • mookie9999mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    Specifics wrote:

    There MUST be clearer images than this.

    I'm sure there is. And I wish we could see them. But again I pose to others on this board (since you believe that a plane did crash into the Pentagon, although you don't state what kind of plane) if Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon, where oh where can it be?? If the Government and all involved had already committed to a crime this large, why salvage Flight 77??
    "The leads are weak!"

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  • SpecificsSpecifics Posts: 417
    mookie9999 wrote:
    I'm sure there is. And I wish we could see them. But again I pose to others on this board (since you believe that a plane did crash into the Pentagon, although you don't state what kind of plane) if Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon, where oh where can it be?? If the Government and all involved had already committed to a crime this large, why salvage Flight 77??

    I pose to you, have you actually read the page you posted and what do you think about what is suggested?
    As it seems that you are trying yourself to deny the whole thing using the very tactic described.

    ( i believe flight 77 crashed into the pentagon as reported, i dont think that any government would have a reason not to go thru with that, certainly not for the good of the people on board, and how much effort it would take just to avoid a little collateral damage.)
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