how about getting a different view point out? I don't think, in this case, either side is telling the truth...whatever, that happens to be in this case.
every administration since nixon has been trying to impliment socialized medicine. it won't work in the us. americans demand the best and are willing to pay for it.
every administration since nixon has been trying to impliment socialized medicine. it won't work in the us. americans demand the best and are willing to pay for it.
i agree, but again, I'm glad MM is at least putting an opinion out to challenge the current status quo. Hopefully it leads to reform of the current system and not to socialized medicine.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
every administration since nixon has been trying to impliment socialized medicine. it won't work in the us. americans demand the best and are willing to pay for it.
there are two reasons why we won't get socialized medicine....prejudice and our political sytem. White folks cringe at the thought any of their money going to pay for minorities healthcare costs. Our political system runs on money...and politicians don't think they can run without special interest group money....really simple.
Now to all those that think Moore's not telling the truth....soooo all Americans do get federally funded healthcare and Canada doesnt'??? What am I missing??
there are two reasons why we won't get socialized medicine....prejudice and our political sytem. White folks cringe at the thought any of their money going to pay for minorities healthcare costs. Our political system runs on money...and politicians don't think they can run without special interest group money....really simple.
that first reason is crap. Now if you say the affluent don't want to pay for poor, that may be more accurate. But I haven't heard one person say that white people don't want to pay for minorities. It usually goes like, why should I have to pay for people who aren't working and don't have jobs. Perceived laziness has much more to do with hit than race. The second reason is exactly right.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
there are two reasons why we won't get socialized medicine....prejudice and our political sytem. White folks cringe at the thought any of their money going to pay for minorities healthcare costs. Our political system runs on money...and politicians don't think they can run without special interest group money....really simple.
Now to all those that think Moore's not telling the truth....soooo all Americans do get federally funded healthcare and Canada doesnt'??? What am I missing??
you're missing the taxes. nothing is free. canada pays more taxes to pay for the healthcare. same with every other country. cnn had moore on; and 2 others at different times. one guy just bashed moore and it was clearly one sided. the other tried to prove moore right but couldn't. he was the one that found out the truth about cuban healthcare. he traveled to canada and britian and visited hospitals and doctors offices. he contacted the insurance companies of the people featured in sicko. all he did was prove moore wrong. the average wait for a doctors appt in canada (toronto i think) was 4 hours compared to 20 minutes in the us. they found a man on a gurney in a hallway in a canadian ER that had been waiting 7 hours to be treated. britian faired about the same. check the cnn website and you should be able to find this information.
i only believe what i can verify. since supposed "facts" from the movie can be easily rebuffed; it's just another fairy tale.
that first reason is crap. Now if you say the affluent don't want to pay for poor, that may be more accurate. But I haven't heard one person say that white people don't want to pay for minorities. It usually goes like, why should I have to pay for people who aren't working and don't have jobs. Perceived laziness has much more to do with hit than race. The second reason is exactly right.
i agree; i won't pay for a layabout.
secondly; america cannot limit a doctors earnings.
thirdly; we have medicaid for the poor. so the working class is paying for the lazy.
i agree; i won't pay for a layabout.
secondly; america cannot limit a doctors earnings.
thirdly; we have medicaid for the poor. so the working class is paying for the lazy.
the only way america can limit doctors earnings is if they limit them at a very high amount. If we were going from a place like canada where it is limited it would be no problem to cease limits, but to ask people to take a 50% pay cut will not fly at all...I read somewhere that Canadian MD's make about 1/2 of what American MD's make.
The working class is paying for the lazy, but they are also paying for the very sick and those unable to work, which I think definitely has to stay.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
the only way america can limit doctors earnings is if they limit them at a very high amount. If we were going from a place like canada where it is limited it would be no problem to cease limits, but to ask people to take a 50% pay cut will not fly at all...I read somewhere that Canadian MD's make about 1/2 of what American MD's make.
The working class is paying for the lazy, but they are also paying for the very sick and those unable to work, which I think definitely has to stay.
if you limit earnings for one you have to do it for all. if my income were limited i'd close 2 manufacturing companies laying off at least 100 people. i can adjust my income to be whatever i want. there's a loophole for everything. i can buy a hummer; write it off as a business expense (it's over 6500 lbs) and knock $60K plus off my gross income. i can then sell it and pocket the money. that's only 1 trick. i've got a million of them. i can also divert income to my grandsons. they pay a lower tax and give me the rest.
i agree; i won't pay for a layabout.
secondly; america cannot limit a doctors earnings.
thirdly; we have medicaid for the poor. so the working class is paying for the lazy.
Such a nice way of putting it, all it does is spell your greed and selfishness.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
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Here's something I don't understand... so, will someone please explain it to me.
Why is it so tough to pay taxes to pay for medical insurance for American citizens here in this country... yet... it is okay to shovel out 12 Billion Dollars of U.S. Taxpayer dollars a month for Iraqi citizens to fight their goddamn tire fire they got going over there? Is it because our kids and grandkids are picking up the tab for that one... does that make it okay?
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Also... how can an inept, inefficient government screw up national Healthcare... yet... fully expected to conduct a massively complicated task of nation building in a culture that is completely foriegn to it... AND.. in the midst of a Civil War?
...
Can someone please... expalin this to me? Because for the life of me... I just can't seem to figure it out.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Here's something I don't understand... so, will someone please explain it to me.
Why is it so tough to pay taxes to pay for medical insurance for American citizens here in this country... yet... it is okay to shovel out 12 Billion Dollars of U.S. Taxpayer dollars a month for Iraqi citizens to fight their goddamn tire fire they got going over there? Is it because our kids and grandkids are picking up the tab for that one... does that make it okay?
...
Also... how can an inept, inefficient government screw up national Healthcare... yet... fully expected to conduct a massively complicated task of nation building in a culture that is completely foriegn to it... AND.. in the midst of a Civil War?
...
Can someone please... expalin this to me? Because for the life of me... I just can't seem to figure it out.
The perfect combination of arrogance and ignorance?
Just a stab.
Nothing else in the English language can explain the audacity of this Country sometimes.
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So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
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Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
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Also... how can an inept, inefficient government screw up national Healthcare... yet... fully expected to conduct a massively complicated task of nation building in a culture that is completely foriegn to it... AND.. in the midst of a Civil War?
...
Can someone please... expalin this to me? Because for the life of me... I just can't seem to figure it out.
they're bound to get something right sooner or later. :rolleyes:
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
To elect politicians and think they arent lying to us is naive.
What is so shocking about this administration is the absolute refusal to take into consideration the feelings of the people as a whole, the people they are supposed to be serving.
Most polticians are smart enough to utilize forward and reverse gears, and gauge their descisions based on polls and popular opinion.
Bush has a stubborness that isnt rooted in integrity, its just rooted in stupidity.
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So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
To elect politicians and think they arent lying to us is naive.
What is so shocking about this administration is the absolute refusal to take into consideration the feelings of the people as a whole, the people they are supposed to be serving.
Most polticians are smart enough to utilize forward and reverse gears, and gauge their descisions based on polls and popular opinion.
Bush has a stubborness that isnt rooted in integrity, its just rooted in stupidity.
Bush is not stupid. He has cleverly crafted remarks that have effectively avoided accountability for great suffering he has caused. Its been a long time.. who is clever enough to assign it?
Bush is not stupid. He has cleverly crafted remarks that have effectively avoided accountability for great suffering he has caused. Its been a long time.. who is clever enough to assign it?
You honestly think he has "crafted" ANY of his remarks or excuses that were even the slightest bit clever or afforded him avoidance of accountability?
He has speech writers for that.
Any cleverness he has displayed on his own is purely accidental and you can almost see the glee on his face, like he cant believe he said something coherent.
Hes a puppet in the hands of the right wing power machine.
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So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
Out of all of Michael Moore's films and books would you:
a - recommend the films more or the books?
b - out of your answer for a which is your favorite (film or book?)
the only book i've read of his was 'downsize this' (his doc 'the big one' was made on the tour for this book, i believe, which is also a great doc)
i downloaded sicko a few weeks ago but haven't watched it yet, i might go to the theater first this weekend and see it on a big screen first
downsize this was a good book and had lots of good info
you should check out his first tv series 'the awful truth', both seasons are on dvd and his 'corporate crooks' segment was great!
as far as his movies i like his first 2 the best
roger & me
the big one
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Dr. Sanjay Gupta today admitted that he was wrong about some of the facts in his CNN report on SiCKO -- a report that led Michael Moore to blast Wolf Blitzer.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta today admitted that he was wrong about some of the facts in his CNN report on SiCKO -- a report that led Michael Moore to blast Wolf Blitzer.
on Larry King he tried to say they used different sources... however.
1. If the numbers were actually 6000 to 250 per capita - the difference is still astounding and doesn't change the fundamental message of the numbers
and second.. Gupta didn't just give different number.. He clearly with the support of cute graphics proclaimed Moores numbers to be wrong.
The truth about anything is unavailable.. a few seconds of argument leaving Americans to make the choice they feel comfortable with which has already been planted through years of carefull twisting of facts.
too much trouble to know the truth.. We are still a fat lazy brutal nation that just doesn't want to be bothered with anything.
Comments
Is your truth reality? Probably not. Almost everyone, it seems, thinks their own truth represents reality. All one can do is express their own truth.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i just posted facts with links to back them. everyone forms their own opinion based on what they believe.
every administration since nixon has been trying to impliment socialized medicine. it won't work in the us. americans demand the best and are willing to pay for it.
And Moore presented facts, others here have posted facts....it depends on which facts you choose to believe and which facts are more important to you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i agree, but again, I'm glad MM is at least putting an opinion out to challenge the current status quo. Hopefully it leads to reform of the current system and not to socialized medicine.
there are two reasons why we won't get socialized medicine....prejudice and our political sytem. White folks cringe at the thought any of their money going to pay for minorities healthcare costs. Our political system runs on money...and politicians don't think they can run without special interest group money....really simple.
Now to all those that think Moore's not telling the truth....soooo all Americans do get federally funded healthcare and Canada doesnt'??? What am I missing??
that first reason is crap. Now if you say the affluent don't want to pay for poor, that may be more accurate. But I haven't heard one person say that white people don't want to pay for minorities. It usually goes like, why should I have to pay for people who aren't working and don't have jobs. Perceived laziness has much more to do with hit than race. The second reason is exactly right.
you're missing the taxes. nothing is free. canada pays more taxes to pay for the healthcare. same with every other country. cnn had moore on; and 2 others at different times. one guy just bashed moore and it was clearly one sided. the other tried to prove moore right but couldn't. he was the one that found out the truth about cuban healthcare. he traveled to canada and britian and visited hospitals and doctors offices. he contacted the insurance companies of the people featured in sicko. all he did was prove moore wrong. the average wait for a doctors appt in canada (toronto i think) was 4 hours compared to 20 minutes in the us. they found a man on a gurney in a hallway in a canadian ER that had been waiting 7 hours to be treated. britian faired about the same. check the cnn website and you should be able to find this information.
i only believe what i can verify. since supposed "facts" from the movie can be easily rebuffed; it's just another fairy tale.
i agree; i won't pay for a layabout.
secondly; america cannot limit a doctors earnings.
thirdly; we have medicaid for the poor. so the working class is paying for the lazy.
the only way america can limit doctors earnings is if they limit them at a very high amount. If we were going from a place like canada where it is limited it would be no problem to cease limits, but to ask people to take a 50% pay cut will not fly at all...I read somewhere that Canadian MD's make about 1/2 of what American MD's make.
The working class is paying for the lazy, but they are also paying for the very sick and those unable to work, which I think definitely has to stay.
if you limit earnings for one you have to do it for all. if my income were limited i'd close 2 manufacturing companies laying off at least 100 people. i can adjust my income to be whatever i want. there's a loophole for everything. i can buy a hummer; write it off as a business expense (it's over 6500 lbs) and knock $60K plus off my gross income. i can then sell it and pocket the money. that's only 1 trick. i've got a million of them. i can also divert income to my grandsons. they pay a lower tax and give me the rest.
Such a nice way of putting it, all it does is spell your greed and selfishness.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Here's something I don't understand... so, will someone please explain it to me.
Why is it so tough to pay taxes to pay for medical insurance for American citizens here in this country... yet... it is okay to shovel out 12 Billion Dollars of U.S. Taxpayer dollars a month for Iraqi citizens to fight their goddamn tire fire they got going over there? Is it because our kids and grandkids are picking up the tab for that one... does that make it okay?
...
Also... how can an inept, inefficient government screw up national Healthcare... yet... fully expected to conduct a massively complicated task of nation building in a culture that is completely foriegn to it... AND.. in the midst of a Civil War?
...
Can someone please... expalin this to me? Because for the life of me... I just can't seem to figure it out.
Hail, Hail!!!
The perfect combination of arrogance and ignorance?
Just a stab.
Nothing else in the English language can explain the audacity of this Country sometimes.
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
they're bound to get something right sooner or later. :rolleyes:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/news/article_10017.php
Bitch slapped them pretty good.
How big of an ass is Dobbs and Cafferty?
They might get something right once they start putting the interests of the people above special interest groups and profit.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So far... about the only thing this current government has got down pat is how to lie to the people... without actually telling a lie.
Hail, Hail!!!
Michael Moore and that doctor from cnn on larry king tonight....can't wait
Esther's here and she's sick?
hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
The absolute worst kind of liar.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
To elect politicians and think they arent lying to us is naive.
What is so shocking about this administration is the absolute refusal to take into consideration the feelings of the people as a whole, the people they are supposed to be serving.
Most polticians are smart enough to utilize forward and reverse gears, and gauge their descisions based on polls and popular opinion.
Bush has a stubborness that isnt rooted in integrity, its just rooted in stupidity.
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
Bush is not stupid. He has cleverly crafted remarks that have effectively avoided accountability for great suffering he has caused. Its been a long time.. who is clever enough to assign it?
You honestly think he has "crafted" ANY of his remarks or excuses that were even the slightest bit clever or afforded him avoidance of accountability?
He has speech writers for that.
Any cleverness he has displayed on his own is purely accidental and you can almost see the glee on his face, like he cant believe he said something coherent.
Hes a puppet in the hands of the right wing power machine.
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
the only book i've read of his was 'downsize this' (his doc 'the big one' was made on the tour for this book, i believe, which is also a great doc)
i downloaded sicko a few weeks ago but haven't watched it yet, i might go to the theater first this weekend and see it on a big screen first
downsize this was a good book and had lots of good info
you should check out his first tv series 'the awful truth', both seasons are on dvd and his 'corporate crooks' segment was great!
as far as his movies i like his first 2 the best
roger & me
the big one
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/07/10/email-shows-cnn-gupta-g_n_55697.html
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Haha! Really...Lou shouldn't quit his day job to pursue comedy. That joke was so awkward and non-funny.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Awesome.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
on Larry King he tried to say they used different sources... however.
1. If the numbers were actually 6000 to 250 per capita - the difference is still astounding and doesn't change the fundamental message of the numbers
and second.. Gupta didn't just give different number.. He clearly with the support of cute graphics proclaimed Moores numbers to be wrong.
The truth about anything is unavailable.. a few seconds of argument leaving Americans to make the choice they feel comfortable with which has already been planted through years of carefull twisting of facts.
too much trouble to know the truth.. We are still a fat lazy brutal nation that just doesn't want to be bothered with anything.
Moore and Gupta on Larry King
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/