Stones vs. Zeppelin

Matty Boy

How can you pick between the Stones and Zeppelin? They are the two greatest rock n roll bands of all time.

lucylespian

[ If you want ridiculous virtuosity that is somehow really punk, watch this!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=295J6IvQMds[/quote]

Thank you soooooooo much for that, not sure what is punk about it though !!
Hey, did you know that while they were busy slagging them, teh origial punks like the Clash etc still went to Zep's last concerts. Fucking turkeys !!

mca47

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

What is this "level" I keep hearing about?

This "level" is that at which the Stones aren't at.

I love the Stones but they just aren't at legendary in my mind as Zep.

FinsburyParkCarrots

lucylespian wrote:

[ If you want ridiculous virtuosity that is somehow really punk, watch this!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=295J6IvQMds

Thank you soooooooo much for that, not sure what is punk about it though !!
Hey, did you know that while they were busy slagging them, teh origial punks like the Clash etc still went to Zep's last concerts. Fucking turkeys !![/quote]

It's punk, man. Refusing to play all the cliches!

PaulJam

I much prefer Led Zeppelin. They just made better music, for me. Also, they were more original than The Stones. The whole idea of Led Zeppelin was perfect and each member was a sheer genius in their particular discipline.

lucylespian

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Thank you soooooooo much for that, not sure what is punk about it though !!
Hey, did you know that while they were busy slagging them, teh origial punks like the Clash etc still went to Zep's last concerts. Fucking turkeys !!

It's punk, man. Refusing to play all the cliches![/quote]

The punks couldn't play at all , that's why they didn't play the cliches.
Even I can play punk !! Not that I bother much, except for Green DAy a bit.

lukin14

easy choice: Zeppelin

Just because the Stones are still around doesn't mean they are the greatest band in the world. Yes, they have influenced many. Yes, people love them.

But in the time Zeppelin had, the body of work and the impact they left behind, in my opinion, far outweighs what the Stones have done over a 40 year span.

given2fly78

Zeppelin, fo schnizzle!

Edved82

Setting aside Robert Plant for a second, it would be hard to find a better guitarist, bassist and drummer in the history of rock and roll than Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones and John Bonham. Not only are they amazing instrumentalists, when put together they worked so well as a band. Thats what makes Zeppelin the greatest rock band of all time. In my mind, the factor that made Zep so great and so powerful was John Paul Jones - not the flashiest bass player ever, but he laid down such a solid foundation along with Bonham that it allowed Plant and Page to go wherever they wanted with what they were doing. It was a complete insult that P&P never took Jones on tour in the 90's - the man is possibly the most underrated musician in the world of rock music.

Just listen to Achilles Last Stand from Knebworth 1979 on the DVD - thats the worlds greatest rock band in action right there. It doesnt get any better than that!

FinsburyParkCarrots

edved82 wrote:

Just listen to Achilles Last Stand from Knebworth 1979 on the DVD - thats the worlds greatest rock band in action right there. It doesnt get any better than that!

My brother was there. He said Knebworth wasn't a bad gig.

FinsburyParkCarrots

lucylespian wrote:

The punks couldn't play at all , that's why they didn't play the cliches.
Even I can play punk !! Not that I bother much, except for Green DAy a bit.

You're not quoting me in that quote; you're quoting yourself.

Punk is an attitude, not a haircut. It's a resistance to tradition. A virtuoso and a clown can do that. Zep tend to consolidate a lot of safe conventions, albeit with polish. When Brian Jones first started mixing up Elmore James slide, with the music of the Master Musicians of Joujouka, no one had done it before. That was radical! That was street! That was punk! But by the time that old session musician Page did it, it was second hand, tried and tested. And very second-wave, distilled and marketed as music for people who don't like music.

catefrances

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

True, I can't recall Page doing anything as bad as The Frog Chorus. But I think you'll find, you're misquoting the lyrics of Hey Jude, there. I always thought that song just stayed on the right side of oversentimentality, though it's slushy enough in places. I certainly prefer it to the PROFUNDITY (cue neon lights), of Stairway.

i prefer almost ANYTHING zeppelin did to Stairway to Heaven.

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Hendrix didn't think much of Zep, apparently. He preferred Sly Stone.

and this is significant how...?

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Punk is an attitude, not a haircut. It's a resistance to tradition....

it's about doing what YOU want, when YOU want to do it and doing it in the way YOU want to do it and not giving a toss about what others think. i don't think it necessarily has to be a resistance to tradition. perhaps just coming from a different perspective.

FinsburyParkCarrots

catefrances wrote:

and this is significant how...?

Compared to Hendrix, we are all dust. That's how.

FinsburyParkCarrots

catefrances wrote:

i prefer almost ANYTHING zeppelin did to Stairway to Heaven.

I prefer Rolf Harris's version.

catefrances

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Compared to Hendrix, we are all dust. That's how.

of course. i should have known.

angryyoungman

i gotta go with the stones. i like led zepplin but the stones are right up the beatles as far as untouchables go. no zep without the stones.

catefrances

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

I prefer Rolf Harris's version.

who wouldn't?


i just don't think stairway is zeppelin's best song.

catefrances

angryyoungman wrote:

i gotta go with the stones. i like led zepplin but the stones are right up the beatles as far as untouchables go. no zep without the stones.

really? please explain.

FinsburyParkCarrots

catefrances wrote:

i prefer almost ANYTHING zeppelin did to Stairway to Heaven.




and this is significant how...?




it's about doing what YOU want when YOU want to do it and doing it in the way you want to do it and not giving a toss about what others think. i don't think it necessarily has to be a resistance to tradition. perhaps just coming from a different perspective.

I haven't that much faith in the originality of 99.9% of artists.

Page was commercialising the acoustic breakthroughs of Davey Graham, Bert Jansch and Tumbler-era John Martyn; he used engineer Eddie Kramer to capitalise on Hendrix's studio discoveries; his electic playing reflects his prior career as a session muzak performer, skilled in playing anything put before him, to an extent.

FinsburyParkCarrots

angryyoungman wrote:

i gotta go with the stones. i like led zepplin but the stones are right up the beatles as far as untouchables go. no zep without the stones.

Yep, Zep were derivative. People who think Zep are the greatest of innovators have no sense of music history, and no comparative reference points.