People who bring their kids to PJ shows...

GreenTeaDisease

nathanastin wrote:

People that keep saying this is a rock show and a huge crowd and this is what happens are still wrong. You can't excuse wrong, and may I add illegal behavior, because that's what happens at rock shows. So if a girl gets raped at a show (like Woodstock) or people start fires, we can excuse it because it is a rock show?

did you miss my entire point about a line between what constitutes a real problem and what is simply causing a slight discomfort to you?

boxwine_in_hell

Rockin Rita wrote:

I took my 6 year old daughter to see Hannah Montanna. that's more her speed...she has no business going to see Pearl Jam....me on the other hand I am counting the weeks ...I will either hire a babysitter or have my hubby stay home.

That constitutes child abuse. If I had a daughter and she wanted to see Hanna Montana she'd learn a valuable lesson about dissapointment in life. Thank God I have sons.

GreenTeaDisease

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

For what it's worth my Elmo listening, Dog Train Loving 2 year old just brought me a Pearl Jam tape (yes...an old boot...7-13-98) he knows the tapes are MY MUSIC NOT HIS...He brought it to me...took my hand and made me put it on. He is now shaking is head and dancing around...and clapping and jumping around between songs.

I don't plan to bring him to a show very soon...But this is why people bring kids to concerts. Because some kids dig it. My son's first word was at like 6 months. Music. He didn't have any others for a while.

AND...Like I said earlier. It's a personal decision. I probably think a lot of what you incredibly judgmental people do, say, allow your children to take part in etc...would not be in MY child's best interest....

Everyone is raised differently . That is what makes this world a beautiful diverse place.

yeah that's really cool that the kid likes music, it really is! but it just seems like there are, you know, like rights of passage as you grow up. to me, going to your first rock show is a huge one! isn't it sort of cheapened to some extent if your first rock show is one of your parents' bands that they took you to when you were really little? like it seems to suck the coolness right out of the whole thing...getting into rock music, whether it be when you're 5 or 15, it's like your first real rebellion, it's the anti-parent, it's coming of age...I'm just stating my opinion

4Powers20

nathanastin wrote:

People that keep saying this is a rock show and a huge crowd and this is what happens are still wrong. You can't excuse wrong, and may I add illegal behavior, because that's what happens at rock shows. So if a girl gets raped at a show (like Woodstock) or people start fires, we can excuse it because it is a rock show? I have been to tons of shows and I have never told anyone to stop smoking or drinking, etc. However, I am posting to try to open peoples' eyes to those around them. Just because you are at a rock show and want to pollute the air, doesn't mean everyone is happy. I went to a Tool show recently and I could barely see the stage because there was too much cigarette and pot smoke. My eyes stung so bad after the show because of other peoples' inconsiderate actions. Is this what I expect from a rock show? Yes. Does that make it right, absolutely not. Some of this should be blamed on security for not doing their jobs, but also common decency comes into play. If you need to smoke, find a designated area. Just because you have no self control, doesn't mean I have to suffer as well. I know this is not the opera and I do not want to go to the opera. I want to see the band I love and I am perfectly in my rights to complain about assholes that care only for their own self gratification.

Guess what. you are in the minority. Most people either smoke or dont care or care but understand it's the price you pay to go to a show. Suck it up and deal with it for a couple hours. It will be over soon and you can go back to your germ free bubble.

DaytimeDilemma

nathanastin wrote:

People that keep saying this is a rock show and a huge crowd and this is what happens are still wrong. You can't excuse wrong, and may I add illegal behavior, because that's what happens at rock shows. So if a girl gets raped at a show (like Woodstock) or people start fires, we can excuse it because it is a rock show? I have been to tons of shows and I have never told anyone to stop smoking or drinking, etc. However, I am posting to try to open peoples' eyes to those around them. Just because you are at a rock show and want to pollute the air, doesn't mean everyone is happy. I went to a Tool show recently and I could barely see the stage because there was too much cigarette and pot smoke. My eyes stung so bad after the show because of other peoples' inconsiderate actions. Is this what I expect from a rock show? Yes. Does that make it right, absolutely not. Some of this should be blamed on security for not doing their jobs, but also common decency comes into play. If you need to smoke, find a designated area. Just because you have no self control, doesn't mean I have to suffer as well. I know this is not the opera and I do not want to go to the opera. I want to see the band I love and I am perfectly in my rights to complain about assholes that care only for their own self gratification.

Like I said a 1000000 times, if someone is bothering you then yes, it is your right to tell the usher. I mean there was a blanket of smoke at a Tool show...what did you think would happen? Everyone stay seated and watch the band like a movie?

And rape is completely different. That is not socially accepted behavior at a rock and roll gig. Smoking and Drinking is.


And you're a hypocrite, man. You're complaing about how pot smokers only care about themselves because they need self-gratification...but it sounds to me like your just bitching cause your eyes got a little red...wow. You are being selfish yourself for not just respecting what other people choose to do or don't do.

How much longer until you ask the band to turn their amps down because they are too loud? It's plain ridiculous. Maybe you should just stick to renting live DVDs of bands you like? That may suite you better.


Point is this shit goes down at a rock show regardless if it bothers you or not. If it doesn't, quit your bitching. If it does, then tell the Usher. I've never met anyone at a PJ show who didn't respect the crowd around them(except once when some guy kept pushing me out of my seats).

Dylan Stone

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

yeah that's really cool that the kid likes music, it really is! but it just seems like there are, you know, like rights of passage as you grow up. to me, going to your first rock show is a huge one! isn't it sort of cheapened to some extent if your first rock show is one of your parents' bands that they took you to when you were really little? like it seems to suck the coolness right out of the whole thing...getting into rock music, whether it be when you're 5 or 15, it's like your first real rebellion, it's the anti-parent, it's coming of age...I'm just stating my opinion

So if he wants to go to a seated Pearl Jam show at age 8... (and he knows I'm going to a bunch of shows...and wants to come with me to one) ...I should deny him the experience of seeing Pearl Jam (which he may never get to do after that... hypothetically....) so he can be anti-parent and rebellious and attend some non-Pearl Jam show when he's 15?

uhmmmm...ok. I'll keep that in mind.

LetItRainToday

Introducing kids to music is a great thing. It's a must. It seems hypocritical to me that anyone with a love of music would be against it. I personally don't have kids yet, but dont have a problem with someone else wanting theirs to experience a show. If they like PJ and want to experience it live, go for it. Just know that somewhere near the back is probably the best, and know that there may be things around that they are going to witness / experience. Ideally people would be respectful if they noticed a kid around. At least blow it away etc. Even put it out or shift down the row etc. I know I would.

Just my two cents.

.... and I've been around the spun guy, the drunk guy, whatever. As a crowd we should be able to manage those folks and try to keep them in line without turning them in. That is a rediculous thing to do. Hopefully those folks have friends around that can keep them in check. Agreed, they can ruin a show ( or at least part of one ) when left unchecked. Now if it turns to violence, that's a different story....

4Powers20

DaytimeDilemma wrote:

Point is this shit goes down at a rock show regardless if it bothers you or not. If it doesn't, quit your bitching. If it does, then tell the Usher. I've never met anyone at a PJ show who didn't respect the crowd around them(except once when some guy kept pushing me out of my seats).

I disagree dont tell the usher. Tell the person it is bothering you and they most likely will tell you they will be done in a minute. And you know what they will. But then the guy 2 rows behind you is going to light up.

My point is unless you are going to go and tell the usher 40 times that people are smoking, when you are at a concert you will probably going to have to deal with it. Especially in larger venues.

kh65

There is a place for kids and a place for adults. Anyone under the age of 13 hasn't really developed an adult appreciation for music. Plus, unless you've turned your "tween" into a pothead how are YOU going to explain the drugs. They should still be in the stage of learning right from wrong, time and place for everything. Plus, the people around you don't need an uninterested whining 8 year old around them. How much fun is it for the rest of the crowd.

Rant over.

DaytimeDilemma

4Powers20 wrote:

I disagree dont tell the usher. Tell the person it is bothering you and they most likely will tell you they will be done in a minute. And you know what they will. But then the guy 2 rows behind you is going to light up.

My point is unless you are going to go and tell the usher 40 times that people are smoking, when you are at a concert you will probably going to have to deal with it. Especially in larger venues.

Yeah, I agree with this. Obviously ask the person first to quite or whatever. If they being an asshole about it or something, then I could understand telling an usher.

Dylan Stone

If 12 year olds didn't go to rock shows...how would Green Day make any money?

4Powers20

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

If 12 year olds didn't go to rock shows...how would Green Day make any money?

touche

GreenTeaDisease

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

So if he wants to go to a seated Pearl Jam show at age 8... (and he knows I'm going to a bunch of shows...and wants to come with me to one) ...I should deny him the experience of seeing Pearl Jam (which he may never get to do after that... hypothetically....) so he can be anti-parent and rebellious and attend some non-Pearl Jam show when he's 15?

uhmmmm...ok. I'll keep that in mind.

no I'm just saying not force these things...or to assume that your kid will think it's cool to go to a PJ show (or any show) with or without their parents. Your kid is really little, but there have been parents on here who have been like "at a certain time it was time to take them to a pj show" it's just kinda like nah...dude...I don't know...

what I'm saying is...remember your first rock show? how cool it was? it was kinda like this amazing step. it was a band YOU liked, not one from your parents' generation...most of the arena filled with other teenagers with pink hair and doc martins...you knew your parents weren't too thrilled about you being there, the music was LOUD, people were smoking pot, you were off on your own...I don't know, I just remember feeling so excited. if my PARENTS were there? I have a feeling it wouldn't have been quite so exciting. nor would it have been if it were my parents' show with other middle aged people and stuff...I look back on that stuff as just a huge part of my trip through adolescence

prljmngrl

scw156 wrote:

Ha. I took my mom to Camden in 2006... she was like 52 or something at the time

lol yeah...52...soooooo old!!!!!!!!!! Did she bring her walker and turn her hearing aide up too?

GreenTeaDisease

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

If 12 year olds didn't go to rock shows...how would Green Day make any money?

well see, yeah I think 12 year olds should start going to shows! I don't consider 12 year olds going to see bands they like the same as parents sticking the whole family of 2-10 year olds in the mini van and heading off the rock show.

meme

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

So if he wants to go to a seated Pearl Jam show at age 8... (and he knows I'm going to a bunch of shows...and wants to come with me to one) ...I should deny him the experience of seeing Pearl Jam (which he may never get to do after that... hypothetically....) so he can be anti-parent and rebellious and attend some non-Pearl Jam show when he's 15?

uhmmmm...ok. I'll keep that in mind.

I know, it's so silly

Surely he'll find plenty of ways to rebel to me at the right moment. But for me to say: "hmmm... wait a second, I'll keep that for when he wants to rebel" seems a little contrite

My son decided he likes the Who better than Pearl Jam. He was "rebelling" and it was awfully cute

Rockin Rita

boxwine_in_hell wrote:

That constitutes child abuse. If I had a daughter and she wanted to see Hanna Montana she'd learn a valuable lesson about dissapointment in life. Thank God I have sons.

WHATEVER.....HANNAH Montanna is more of a concert for kids than Pearl Jam...She actually put on a good show for a 15 year old.....I must be a horrible mother to bring my daughter to see her.....Good thing you got sons...maybe you could teach me how to raise my boy

Ms. Haiku

My 11 year old niece has a 6 year old sister. When my younger niece found out I was bringing her sister to a concert she wondered why I wasn't bringing her to Hannah Montana, also. I informed my younger niece that the concert was Pearl Jam. She didn't care after that.

I thought that was funny. hahahahahahahahaha

If I could bring them to Hannah Montana I would. It's probably an enjoyable show, and they probably know most of the words.

catwoman

prljmngrl wrote:

lol yeah...52...soooooo old!!!!!!!!!! Did she bring her walker and turn her hearing aide up too?

Haven't you heard? 50 is the new 40. We don't have walkers & hearing aids yet.

catwoman

scw156 wrote:

Ha. I took my mom to Camden in 2006... she was like 52 or something at the time

You're a good son (or daughter -- can't tell your sex).