Lets keep this thread going!!! I'm hoping Billy gives Mellon Collie a lot of attention on the upcoming tour. This album illustrates the period when he was in his prime as a songwriter!
i gotta say this though. i think Siamese Dream was their best album. i mean, that disc was flawless. i like the fact that Mellon Collie was ambitious, and the for the most part those ambitions hit their targets. there are no bad songs on it, and there are many great ones.... and now that i think about it, it may not have been flawless, but it was still a progression from Siamese Dream. so maybe those two album are tied in my mind.
(hmmm didn't I rant about people ranking PJ albums the other day?)
I have to agree about Siamese Dream too, that album was flawless. But I think Mellon Collie was definately a more ambitious effort, and more of a group effort at that. Even Billy said that when Butch Vig was their producer, he focused on making sure the album sounded absolutely perfect technically, but Flood was about bringing out the emotion of the band, and making sure the album sounded musical. Both albums are amazing in their own right, and I'm happy they're back!!
I love love love this album. Next to a pearl jam album, I believe it is one that I have listened to the most in my adult life. It is has just the exact right amount of anger, sadness and rejoicing in these feelings. I think it is beatiful that those emotions are celebrated so perfectly. Love it.
Being that The Smashing Pumpkins are my second favorite band to Pearl Jam, I must say that MCIS is my favorite album. I mean, the list of brilliant songs is almost endless...from the opening note to the closing note, pure brilliance and Billy at his best...
However, noone mentioned any of the amazing B-sides that came from this record. It could have been a four disc album!!!
God
Pennies
Mouths of Babes
The Last Song
Said Sadly
Cherry
Amazing stuff...and just for lists sake, I will put my top 5 from MCIS:
Poreclina of the Vast Oceans
Thru the Eyes of Ruby
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Beautiful
Galapogos
Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
Being that The Smashing Pumpkins are my second favorite band to Pearl Jam, I must say that MCIS is my favorite album. I mean, the list of brilliant songs is almost endless...from the opening note to the closing note, pure brilliance and Billy at his best...
However, noone mentioned any of the amazing B-sides that came from this record. It could have been a four disc album!!!
God
Pennies
Mouths of Babes
The Last Song
Said Sadly
Cherry
Amazing stuff...and just for lists sake, I will put my top 5 from MCIS:
Poreclina of the Vast Oceans
Thru the Eyes of Ruby
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Beautiful
Galapogos
Yeah, MCIS, the first two records, and Machina are LOUDED with amazing b-sides. We got the early years in Pisces Iscariot, but casual fans don't know about the left overs that at least double the pumpkins' catalouge. Brilliant stuff.
Being that The Smashing Pumpkins are my second favorite band to Pearl Jam, I must say that MCIS is my favorite album. I mean, the list of brilliant songs is almost endless...from the opening note to the closing note, pure brilliance and Billy at his best...
However, noone mentioned any of the amazing B-sides that came from this record. It could have been a four disc album!!!
God
Pennies
Mouths of Babes
The Last Song
Said Sadly
Cherry
Amazing stuff...and just for lists sake, I will put my top 5 from MCIS:
Poreclina of the Vast Oceans
Thru the Eyes of Ruby
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Beautiful
Galapogos
Fun!
The Aeroplane Flies High
Transformer
Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)
Destination Unknown
Pennies
Set the Ray to Jerry
Mellon Collie
Where Boys Fear to Tread
In the Arms of Sleep
Jellybelly
Cupid de Locke
X.Y.U.
Yeah, MCIS, the first two records, and Machina are LOUDED with amazing b-sides. We got the early years in Pisces Iscariot, but casual fans don't know about the left overs that at least double the pumpkins' catalouge. Brilliant stuff.
And the brilliance doesn't end there...don't forget that 5-disc Mashed Potatoes Box Set.
Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
I heard a rumor that there was a third disc to Mellon Collie that was never released with B-sides. Not sure if it's true or not...anyone know or anyone have it?
The best thing about the Pumpkins, back when I was REALLY into them, was that there is a near never-ending supply of quality recordings out there of stuff that never sniffed an official release. The Machina demos are great. The '89 demos are among the best stuff that had ever done, it was Gish type stuff with more catchy hooks, some of the songs are amazing. I've got at least 10 CD-Rs full of unreleased stuff. Not to mention the 5 studio albums, 7 total CDs worth of official b-side releases(PI-1, Aeroplane box-5, Rotten Apples-1), and the 2-disc Machina II.
The boot of a Billy Corgan solo live show at the Viper Room is a must have for anybody intersted in the band. People say the band wasn't a good live band, which I can't comment on not having had the chance to see them, but that solo acoustic show is great.
Mellon Collie was my first favorite album, "Galapogos", "Muzzle" and "Stumbeline" are my favorite tracks.
I heard a rumor that there was a third disc to Mellon Collie that was never released with B-sides. Not sure if it's true or not...anyone know or anyone have it?
Actually, it IS true, except it wasn't another CD.
The Aeroplane Flies High Box set contained extended versions of the five MC singles (BWBW, 1979, Zero, Tonight Tonight, Thirty-Three). It is out of print, but easy to find online for under $100. It's worth the $100 if you were to end up spending that much though.
Now you may be referring to the vinyl, which contained three records and two vinyl exclusive tracks (Tonight Reprise, Infinite Sadness).
i too am a 'Muzzle' fanatic and 33 is just beautiful......
I'm loving the Muzzle fanatics!!! I think Corgan really expresses his feelings in this song and it just blows me away how the progression of the chords weaves its way into the stunning percussion work from Jimmy Chamberlin. This album was godly when it was released and I'd like to see another double album release from the new Pumpkins!
If it's possible to not be into the Pumpkins', and yet BE into this album, then that is where i fit. Muzzle kills me everytime i hear it. In good ways.
I wish Virgin had allowed Corgan to release Machina as a double album...then we may have seen more singles and a longer tour back in 2000...either way I'd like to see another double album from the Pumpkins in the future.
I wish Virgin had allowed Corgan to release Machina as a double album...then we may have seen more singles and a longer tour back in 2000...either way I'd like to see another double album from the Pumpkins in the future.
Nah, they already did a double album...and MCIS is so amazing that they'd never be able to come close to capturing it's magic...
Gimme an hour long disc, 12-14 songs...have Billy use his amazing imagery and songwriting talent, let Jimmy smack away on the drums and I will love it.
Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
I heard that during the Mellon Collie Sessions, there were two rooms. One Room Billy rehearsed and wrote songs, and in the other room James and D'arcy did the same, and Jimmy would alternate between rooms. What's really funny is that James only had one song that he wrote on his own make the album...
Such a sad and depressing album to listen to, but it's so beautiful and inspiring. The greatest double album of all time. Each song illustrates the sorrows and regrets of a hopeless romantic (from my interpretation) and it's occurences in a day and night perspective. Billy Corgan is a musical genius, and I think this album foreshows his best lyrics and writing abilities. MAY THE NEW PUMPKINS ROCK AND MELLON COLLIE BE KNOWN AS THE GREATEST DOUBLE ALBUM OF ALL TIME!!!
It was certainly a ambitious project. Most said that they would not be able to pull it off. Its strange, but if you also look at the Aeroplane box set, Billy could have legtimately split all of that music into 3 cds, and they would have been considered masterpieces.
One of the great works of rock in our recent time.
However, noone mentioned any of the amazing B-sides that came from this record. It could have been a four disc album!!!
God
Mouths of Babes
God and MoB both could have been singles if it was actually on a release. Hell, not only was MCIS ambitious, even the B-sides we're ambitious! Most B-sides you get some obscure track, or maybe a alternate verision of the main song. Each B-side 'cd', contained 3-4 new songs 1-2 covers. I mean in total there we're about what..50-75 songs? Easily could have been a 3 disc or even 4 disc Monster set. But the record label would have gone nuts..hell they went nuts with just the 2 album disc.
Back in the day Corgan wrote songs like nonstop!!! I remember seeing an interview when he was at the MTV Music Awards or the Grammys (can't remember) right before the Mellon Collie sessions and an interviewer asked him what he was going to do with his time after the ceremony, and Corgan replied with "Probably write more songs, I wrote about ten this morning." The guy was nuts!!
Back in the day Corgan wrote songs like nonstop!!! I remember seeing an interview when he was at the MTV Music Awards or the Grammys (can't remember) right before the Mellon Collie sessions and an interviewer asked him what he was going to do with his time after the ceremony, and Corgan replied with "Probably write more songs, I wrote about ten this morning." The guy was nuts!!
There are probably rooms full of unreleased Billy Corgan brilliance.
Is it so wrong to think that love can keep us safe?
Isn't anything longer than 40 minutes a double Lp or a double album? Seeing how Mellon Collie is over 120 minutes long (am i right?) wouldnt it be a quadruple album?
I am really into the first disc, but I have never been able to get into the second one (the one with 1979 on it).
Speaking of great double albums, don't forget Blonde on Blonde and wilco's Being There which fits onto one CD but they put it on two anyways.
Lately I've been thinking that Jellybelly has some of the best drum work Jimmy Chamberlin has ever done, and I absolutely adore the composition of Thru the Eyes of Ruby. The way the guitars are layered, it sounds like the Phil. Harmonic Orchestra!! Not many rock bands can produce a sound that rich!!!!
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-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee
(hmmm didn't I rant about people ranking PJ albums the other day?)
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee
However, noone mentioned any of the amazing B-sides that came from this record. It could have been a four disc album!!!
God
Pennies
Mouths of Babes
The Last Song
Said Sadly
Cherry
Amazing stuff...and just for lists sake, I will put my top 5 from MCIS:
Poreclina of the Vast Oceans
Thru the Eyes of Ruby
Bullet With Butterfly Wings
Beautiful
Galapogos
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
Fun!
The Aeroplane Flies High
Transformer
Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)
Destination Unknown
Pennies
Set the Ray to Jerry
Mellon Collie
Where Boys Fear to Tread
In the Arms of Sleep
Jellybelly
Cupid de Locke
X.Y.U.
Well that's the list for today!!
And the brilliance doesn't end there...don't forget that 5-disc Mashed Potatoes Box Set.
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee
if i were trying to name my favorite songs, i'd go with porcelina of the vast oceans (disk 1) and by starlight (disk 2). but it's tough...
i would rank mellon collie as my third favorite double album of all time behind the wall and the white album.
The boot of a Billy Corgan solo live show at the Viper Room is a must have for anybody intersted in the band. People say the band wasn't a good live band, which I can't comment on not having had the chance to see them, but that solo acoustic show is great.
Mellon Collie was my first favorite album, "Galapogos", "Muzzle" and "Stumbeline" are my favorite tracks.
The Aeroplane Flies High Box set contained extended versions of the five MC singles (BWBW, 1979, Zero, Tonight Tonight, Thirty-Three). It is out of print, but easy to find online for under $100. It's worth the $100 if you were to end up spending that much though.
Now you may be referring to the vinyl, which contained three records and two vinyl exclusive tracks (Tonight Reprise, Infinite Sadness).
Go buy it now
I'm loving the Muzzle fanatics!!! I think Corgan really expresses his feelings in this song and it just blows me away how the progression of the chords weaves its way into the stunning percussion work from Jimmy Chamberlin. This album was godly when it was released and I'd like to see another double album release from the new Pumpkins!
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee
http://www.wishlistfoundation.org
Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee
Nah, they already did a double album...and MCIS is so amazing that they'd never be able to come close to capturing it's magic...
Gimme an hour long disc, 12-14 songs...have Billy use his amazing imagery and songwriting talent, let Jimmy smack away on the drums and I will love it.
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee
It was certainly a ambitious project. Most said that they would not be able to pull it off. Its strange, but if you also look at the Aeroplane box set, Billy could have legtimately split all of that music into 3 cds, and they would have been considered masterpieces.
One of the great works of rock in our recent time.
God and MoB both could have been singles if it was actually on a release. Hell, not only was MCIS ambitious, even the B-sides we're ambitious! Most B-sides you get some obscure track, or maybe a alternate verision of the main song. Each B-side 'cd', contained 3-4 new songs 1-2 covers. I mean in total there we're about what..50-75 songs? Easily could have been a 3 disc or even 4 disc Monster set. But the record label would have gone nuts..hell they went nuts with just the 2 album disc.
That could have been a nice money maker for the pumpkins..now its just out there in mp3 form
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee
There are probably rooms full of unreleased Billy Corgan brilliance.
It wouldn't surprise me if there were. Corgan probably has more written songs than the amount of money in Bill Gates' bank account.
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee
I am really into the first disc, but I have never been able to get into the second one (the one with 1979 on it).
Speaking of great double albums, don't forget Blonde on Blonde and wilco's Being There which fits onto one CD but they put it on two anyways.
-Eddie Vedder
6/24/06 Cincinatti, Ohio
6/14/08 Manchester, Tennessee