Chris Cornell Is Overrated

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Ledbetterman10 wrote:

but there's something about Nirvana, for me, that Soundgarden just doesn't have. I don't even know what it is. and I never said that Nirvana was better then Soundgarden. I said that I liked Nirvana better than Soundgarden. and some of the Soundgarden fans around here can't grasp how that can be possible. how can someone like a song called Rape Me more than a masterpiece like Jesus Christ Pose? what kind of idiot could possibly like a song sung by a suicidal drug addict in which he just screams RAPE ME over and over and over more than the poetic brilliance of a song like Fell On Black Days? how can this be? oh it be

Hey I love Nirvana,.. actually they were the first band that I can say I 'loved'. Once I got into them I found my way to Pearl Jam,.. then SG and Alice,.. and realized all 3 bands were so much better than Nirvana,... I actually haven't really listened to Nirvana (aside from the occasional spin) since. Still love them,.. but I found something better. Anyway, I guess my point is that I understand what that "something" is.

BetterManningNYG

pjalive21 wrote:

someone said no one can copy his voice, i must say most of the frontmen of the 80's had Cornells voice

i think you may have misinterpreted my post...

so you're trying to argue that the singers of the 1980's copied chris cornell's voice?

well ok then...

but first you'd have to prove the existence of time travel...

belfast1

Cornell is right up there for me.

and i certainly prefer him to roger daltry. and kurt cobain.

oh now dont get me started on nirvana - now thats overrated!

facepollution

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I know he's better than me. What I'm saying is he's not as good as Robert Plant, Steven Tyler or Roger Daltry, as far as the high pitched frontman category goes.

I said it in an eariler post but i'll repeat it. I like Cornell. he's good. but he's not as great as some people on this site think he is. Soundgarden is good. but that's all they are: good. light years away from being bad but still far from being great. that's my opinion. I understand what the Soundgarden fans like about them, I'm just not into it.

OK, put your money where your mouth is, name me 4 songs each by Plant, Tyler and Daltrey that are vocally superior to Birth Ritual, Jesus Christ Pose, Say Hello 2 Heaven and Call Me a Dog.

MCG

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I know he's better than me. What I'm saying is he's not as good as Robert Plant, Steven Tyler or Roger Daltry, as far as the high pitched frontman category goes.

I said it in an eariler post but i'll repeat it. I like Cornell. he's good. but he's not as great as some people on this site think he is. Soundgarden is good. but that's all they are: good. light years away from being bad but still far from being great. that's my opinion. I understand what the Soundgarden fans like about them, I'm just not into it.

He's way better than Botox faced Steven Tyler.

Ledbetterman10

belfast1 wrote:

oh now dont get me started on nirvana - now thats overrated!

Nirvana is overrated by the media and things like "Top albums lists." they're not overrated by their fans like I feel Soundgarden is by their fans on this message board

facepollution wrote:

OK, put your money where your mouth is, name me 4 songs each by Plant, Tyler and Daltrey that are vocally superior to Birth Ritual, Jesus Christ Pose, Say Hello 2 Heaven and Call Me a Dog.

those are good Cornell songs. but it's not about four songs. it's about their entire catolouges, their influcence, their creativity, as well their vocal abilities. I'll only concede that Cornell is obviously a superior guitarist because the other three don't really play much on record, if they play at all. the only Led Zeppelin song that Robert Plant plays guitar on is "boogie with stu" and i don't know if the others ever play for their bands. so i'll give ya that.

edit: as I confirmed in several prior posts in this thread. I don't hate Cornell nor do i think he "sucks." I just don't think he's a good as a lot of you think he is

nowayimfaithfull

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Nirvana is overrated by the media and things like "Top albums lists." they're not overrated by their fans like I feel Soundgarden is by their fans on this message board



those are good Cornell songs. but it's not about four songs. it's about their entire catolouges, their influcence, their creativity, as well their vocal abilities. I'll only concede that Cornell is obviously a superior guitarist because the other three don't really play much on record, if they play at all. the only Led Zeppelin song that Robert Plant plays guitar on is "boogie with stu" and i don't know if the others ever play for their bands. so i'll give ya that.

edit: as I confirmed in several prior posts in this thread. I don't hate Cornell nor do i think he "sucks." I just don't think he's a good as a lot of you think he is

Their isnt much differance in any of these singers you mentioned, you shouldnt have to constasntly explain yourself either.
chris gets a free pass on this measage board its a fact.
Hes great, the other guys have made it 30 years plus with their fans and sound and all the forementioned.You cant rip them. Just like chris is good.
As far as him blowing tyler away, from day 1 till now, he doesnt.
LETS TAKE THE MOST VOCALLY CHALLENGED SONG FROM CHRIS, IN STUDIO i MIND YOU.
and he is a studio wizzard, which is why they didnt transpire well live, and take stevie tyler at 55 and ask him to sing it perfect.
where is the logic.
What tyler did in the early 70s is exactly what sg did in the early 90s. Creativity and good singing. I dont like tyler anymore than you but reading this whole thread a day later basically you guys only proved ledbet10 right.
Cornell is overated on this website.
He is not better than these guys and he would tell you that.
Did he have better moments, sure we were around for that, but music was also differant than too. Who pushed tyler and plant, there just wasnt as much rock around than like when chris got started, metal singing had a big part in chris's style.

Hes a good singer obviously one of the best who has made bad choices which has hurt his carreer, obviously he still has time but you are comparring him to people he looks up too.

I mean chris has copied tyler in his audioslave music.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I never thought those words would come out of my mouth. but all the Cornell worship on this website has turned me against him. some of you people think he is a frontman the caliber of Robert Plant, Steven Tyler, or Roger Daltry. Newsflash: he's not even close.

I'm not a big fan of Cornell, but he is certainly of the same caliber as those frontmen. He's a great songwriter, and his voice is very unique and strong.

If anyone is overrated in that group, it's Robert Plant, not Chris Cornell.

yosi1

Saturnal wrote:

I'm not a big fan of Cornell, but he is certainly of the same caliber as those frontmen. He's a great songwriter, and his voice is very unique and strong.

If anyone is overrated in that group, it's Robert Plant, not Chris Cornell.

Wow. Totally disagree with you there.

Pearl Jam and toast

yosi wrote:

Wow. Totally disagree with you there.

Really? I think he's right...

yosi1

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Really? I think he's right...

Yea. I think Robert Plant is not overrated at all. I also think its pretty obvious that Steven Tyler and Chris Cornell totally get their style of singing from Robert Plant. If it hadn't been for him, its entirely possible that Chris wouldn't be the singer we know today. RP started the whole high pitched singing in hard rock music. I don't know, I also just happen to think that Robert Plant has a better voice than Chris Cornell. At least I find he sings more than shrieks, which I often prefer. Yea, Chris can hit some really high notes, but I don't think it always sounds great.

To each his/her own I guess.

Pearl Jam and toast

Plant was amazing but he wasn't quite as good as he's cracked up to be. Led Zep's reputation and overall greatness puts his voice on a bit of a pedistool.

Honestly, I have no idea how Steven Tyler got thrown into this mix. He's not on Plant or Daltrey's (or Cornell's..) level.

yosi1

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Honestly, I have no idea how Steven Tyler got thrown into this mix. He's not on Plant or Daltrey's (or Cornell's..) level.

That I can agree with.

Ledbetterman10

Saturnal wrote:

If anyone is overrated in that group, it's Robert Plant, not Chris Cornell.

I totally disagree. I like Plant's voice a lot better than Cornell's and I think his lyrics are underrated. he could be very poetic from a literary standpoint, as evidenced in songs like Stairway to Heaven, Battle of Evermore, Kashmir, Friends, In My Time of Dying, Achilies Last Stand, the list goes on. what the hell has Cornell EVER DONE that could possibly rival any of Robert Plant's accolades?

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Honestly, I have no idea how Steven Tyler got thrown into this mix.

when I started this thread, Plant, Daltrey and Tyler were the first three high pitched singers from major hard rock bands that popped into my head

Pearl Jam and toast

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I totally disagree. I like Plant's voice a lot better than Cornell's and I think his lyrics are underrated. he could be very poetic from a literary standpoint, as evidenced in songs like Stairway to Heaven, Battle of Evermore, Kashmir, Friends, In My Time of Dying, Achilies Last Stand, the list goes on. what the hell has Cornell EVER DONE that could possibly rival any of Robert Plant's accolades?

Temple of the Dog and Superunknown were lyrically 2 of the finest rock albums written since... well since the days of Led Zeppelin.

yosi1

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Temple of the Dog and Superunknown were lyrically 2 of the finest rock albums written since... well since the days of Led Zeppelin.

Debatable I think.

Ledbetterman10

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Temple of the Dog and Superunknown were lyrically 2 of the finest rock albums written since... well since the days of Led Zeppelin.

Do you think he's a better lyricist than Eddie Vedder?

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Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Do you think he's a better lyricist than Eddie Vedder?

At times. Ed's more consistant though.

edit: But I don't think I'd have said that before Audioslave. Cornell had a few moments there that were just sub-standard for him.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I totally disagree. I like Plant's voice a lot better than Cornell's and I think his lyrics are underrated. he could be very poetic from a literary standpoint, as evidenced in songs like Stairway to Heaven, Battle of Evermore, Kashmir, Friends, In My Time of Dying, Achilies Last Stand, the list goes on. what the hell has Cornell EVER DONE that could possibly rival any of Robert Plant's accolades?



when I started this thread, Plant, Daltrey and Tyler were the first three high pitched singers from major hard rock bands that popped into my head

This all depends on how we're rating frontmen. I wouldn't say poetic ability is the driving factor in determining what a good frontman is. It's a factor, but there are others such as general songwriting ability, performing ability, etc.

I would say Plant is a better lyricist than Cornell, but I'd also say Cornell is a better songwriter in general. Plant had one of the greatest guitarists helping him write tunes. Cornell has had a larger influence on the bands he's been in.

I would also say both of them have questionable performing abilities. I've heard mixed reviews for both, so it's a tie there.

bubbamackdaddy69

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I never thought those words would come out of my mouth. but all the Cornell worship on this website has turned me against him. some of you people think he is a frontman the caliber of Robert Plant, Steven Tyler, or Roger Daltry. Newsflash: he's not even close.

I like his voice and when he was with Soundgarden but don't at all worship him...lol...Don't like Audioslave much at all