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  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 6,080
    To everyone dropping links, or planning on doing so:

    1. Thank you.
    2. Can we get approximate times of day? Or take some time to scan the Porch or GtF for ISO's & do a timed drop?

    I know you don't HAVE to, but it would be nice :) 
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 6,080
    bootleg said:
    Pit 2 down to just two premium tix left.  It’s prob just TM playing their games but still interesting to see such a low availability.  Nevermind that group of 5 just showed up again.
    It's 💯% manipulated scarcity to encourage Premium sales.

    The show will sell out regardless, but TM & the band want max value, so🤷‍♂️
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 5,153
    edited January 7
    Just a reminder of what the Montana show availability was 90 minutes before the opener:


    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • julieooliernjulieooliern WA Posts: 136
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  • SHZASHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,097
    Just a reminder of what the Montana show availability was 90 minutes before the opener:


    Larger venue in a sparsely populated area and not close to any major airport, not exactly apples to apples 
  • Yeah but Ken there were no rooms available for a destination show. That was the easiest show we’ve seen since F2F started to get tickets for since everyone canceled their plans. I’m really curious with Atlanta. 20+ years and they get two shows…what’s the availability going to be like the week of? 
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2
  • RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 5,153
    I don’t have the screenshot to prove it but for months there was nothing but premiums available for that show.  It was always in a remote area without hotel rooms. The point is there is always availability at the end.  Almost always.  
    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • SHZASHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,097
    edited January 7
    I don’t have the screenshot to prove it but for months there was nothing but premiums available for that show.  It was always in a remote area without hotel rooms. The point is there is always availability at the end.  Almost always.  
    It was always remote, but that doesn't mean that the leftover tickets at the end weren't due to it being remote. If you plop grizzly stadium down in Manhattan those tickets would have sold. You're right about tickets almost always being available at the end, but for purposes of this tour, an arena show in a city would be a more relevant illustration 
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  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 6,648
    If you're unable to attend the Pittsburgh shows (1 and/or 2) and planning to drop tickets, please feel free to hit me up! 
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • ChrrieChrrie Posts: 149
    I looked for Missoula GA for months and had infinite frustration when I’d see some get posted and wind up on a 3rd party website, even missed odd hour timed drops. Went to the show without anything actually until a friend arranged an in person sale. 

    No other show ended up quite like that, at least not with GA. Although the sample size is small given 4 shows in transfer states and big markets like Philly and Boston (which stopped f2f 10 days before or whatever it was). 
  • Shaindli1Shaindli1 MA Posts: 428
    Boston Fenway N2 that afternoon there were still seats available on the floor and lowers. Not many, but I saw them on the MLB app.
  • KJ228171KJ228171 Posts: 194
    It’s hard to compare Fenway, Wrigley and  Grizzly Stadium to anything on this leg. The more comparables would be MSG-Hollywood, Philly-Pittsburgh, Seattle-Atlanta?, Raleigh N2-Vancouver, Raleigh N1-Las Vegas? and I have no idea about Nashville. Of course there will be tickets as the dates approach but I personally would like to have a bird in the hand.
  • RatherStarvedRatherStarved Posts: 5,153
    LA last year they released an entire wing section at face 24 hours before the show.  I hand picked a seat.  

    Vancouver had tons of availability a week or two beforehand.  I had an okay ticket that I couldn’t sell.  

    It’s not always, but often the case, that it’s better to wait.  Definitely don’t buy $800 tickets.  

    PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024:  Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
     
    EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.

    Gutted:  London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
  • craigraethercraigraether Posts: 1,480
    LA last year they released an entire wing section at face 24 hours before the show.  I hand picked a seat.  

    Vancouver had tons of availability a week or two beforehand.  I had an okay ticket that I couldn’t sell.  

    It’s not always, but often the case, that it’s better to wait.  Definitely don’t buy $800 tickets.  

    Nashville, will be like LA last year.. I did the same picked up section 126 R8 ( first wing mike side on the Aisle ) for LA 2, at 3:35PM day of - face value standards ( Whole section from row 7 back went up.. I did row 8 to be on the inside aisle. 
  • RP123663RP123663 Posts: 122


    It’s not always, but often the case, that it’s better to wait.  Definitely don’t buy $800 tickets.  

    Exactly.  They must take the fan base for a bunch of idiots.  Pitt 2 for $948 to sit in literally the worst section of the building.  Anyone that has had the pleasure of sitting on the "floor" behind not only the PIT, but a full other section of floor seats knows that these are anything but premium and are worse than the last row of the upper deck behind the stage.  You'd be better off watching the show from the concourse. 
  • RP123663RP123663 Posts: 122
    On another note, Pittsburgh night 2 tickets are available on stubhub now for $248.  They were $296 on December 27th.  Just shows you that the demand isn't what it looks like.  
  • SHZASHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,097
    RP123663 said:


    It’s not always, but often the case, that it’s better to wait.  Definitely don’t buy $800 tickets.  

    Exactly.  They must take the fan base for a bunch of idiots.  Pitt 2 for $948 to sit in literally the worst section of the building.  Anyone that has had the pleasure of sitting on the "floor" behind not only the PIT, but a full other section of floor seats knows that these are anything but premium and are worse than the last row of the upper deck behind the stage.  You'd be better off watching the show from the concourse. 
    They don't need the entire fan base to be a bunch of fools. Just enough to buy the inventory. The overpriced seats obviously sell or they would've stopped doing platinum by now. 
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,269
    Hollywood may be a tough ticket, but tickets will be available for most shows. Just wait. If you are traveling and want to make sure you have tickets then you might want to pay more. There are always tickets available 24 hrs before showtime for most arena shows. Even for MSG people were posting tickets on the forum. Just wait. TM is preying on those that are panic buying. 
  • RP123663RP123663 Posts: 122
    SHZA said:
    RP123663 said:


    It’s not always, but often the case, that it’s better to wait.  Definitely don’t buy $800 tickets.  

    Exactly.  They must take the fan base for a bunch of idiots.  Pitt 2 for $948 to sit in literally the worst section of the building.  Anyone that has had the pleasure of sitting on the "floor" behind not only the PIT, but a full other section of floor seats knows that these are anything but premium and are worse than the last row of the upper deck behind the stage.  You'd be better off watching the show from the concourse. 
    They don't need the entire fan base to be a bunch of fools. Just enough to buy the inventory. The overpriced seats obviously sell or they would've stopped doing platinum by now. 
    Obviously?  You have no idea if they sell or not.  Are you scouring the arena floor for 2 empty chairs?  No way they are selling a crap seat for nearly a grand.  There are a lot of dumb people in the world, but nobody is going to light an extra $800 on fire to get a worse seat than they can for a fraction of that price.  Again, the "Premium" is just a lame tactic to try to fool people into thinking that's the going rate for the show.  Your assumption does not trump the fact that the same seats have been listed for weeks with no movement and face value tickets to Raleigh are getting zero interest at $175 but you want to believe someone is going to spend $750 for a worst seat because its simply labeled as premium?  C'mon
  • RP123663RP123663 Posts: 122
    Get_Right said:
     There are always tickets available 24 hrs before showtime for most arena shows. Even for MSG people were posting tickets on the forum. Just wait. TM is preying on those that are panic buying. 
    This is accurate. I've also noticed the people that are panic buying now are buying from the secondary markets for around $300 for decent seats.  That will come down as we are already seeing that trend, even for Pittsburgh.
  • SHZASHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,097
    RP123663 said:
    SHZA said:
    RP123663 said:


    It’s not always, but often the case, that it’s better to wait.  Definitely don’t buy $800 tickets.  

    Exactly.  They must take the fan base for a bunch of idiots.  Pitt 2 for $948 to sit in literally the worst section of the building.  Anyone that has had the pleasure of sitting on the "floor" behind not only the PIT, but a full other section of floor seats knows that these are anything but premium and are worse than the last row of the upper deck behind the stage.  You'd be better off watching the show from the concourse. 
    They don't need the entire fan base to be a bunch of fools. Just enough to buy the inventory. The overpriced seats obviously sell or they would've stopped doing platinum by now. 
    Obviously?  You have no idea if they sell or not.  Are you scouring the arena floor for 2 empty chairs?  No way they are selling a crap seat for nearly a grand.  There are a lot of dumb people in the world, but nobody is going to light an extra $800 on fire to get a worse seat than they can for a fraction of that price.  Again, the "Premium" is just a lame tactic to try to fool people into thinking that's the going rate for the show.  Your assumption does not trump the fact that the same seats have been listed for weeks with no movement and face value tickets to Raleigh are getting zero interest at $175 but you want to believe someone is going to spend $750 for a worst seat because its simply labeled as premium?  C'mon
    I'm not saying that every premium listing sells just because it's listed as such. The program as a whole is obviously profitable or they would have dropped it. It's not a matter of thinking that the entire fanbase is a bunch of suckers. Most people won't be suckered into it, but enough will to keep the strategy in place.  
  • RP123663RP123663 Posts: 122
    $232 for N2 Pittsburgh sold a few days ago on Stub hub. These are pretty solid seats too.

    On the other hand, TM for the same show has section 4 floor seats (awful view) listed for $948 for a much, much worse seat.  Nobody is dumb enough to touch those at that price or anywhere near that price.
  • RP123663RP123663 Posts: 122
    SHZA said:
    RP123663 said:
    SHZA said:
    RP123663 said:


    It’s not always, but often the case, that it’s better to wait.  Definitely don’t buy $800 tickets.  

    Exactly.  They must take the fan base for a bunch of idiots.  Pitt 2 for $948 to sit in literally the worst section of the building.  Anyone that has had the pleasure of sitting on the "floor" behind not only the PIT, but a full other section of floor seats knows that these are anything but premium and are worse than the last row of the upper deck behind the stage.  You'd be better off watching the show from the concourse. 
    They don't need the entire fan base to be a bunch of fools. Just enough to buy the inventory. The overpriced seats obviously sell or they would've stopped doing platinum by now. 
    Obviously?  You have no idea if they sell or not.  Are you scouring the arena floor for 2 empty chairs?  No way they are selling a crap seat for nearly a grand.  There are a lot of dumb people in the world, but nobody is going to light an extra $800 on fire to get a worse seat than they can for a fraction of that price.  Again, the "Premium" is just a lame tactic to try to fool people into thinking that's the going rate for the show.  Your assumption does not trump the fact that the same seats have been listed for weeks with no movement and face value tickets to Raleigh are getting zero interest at $175 but you want to believe someone is going to spend $750 for a worst seat because its simply labeled as premium?  C'mon
    I'm not saying that every premium listing sells just because it's listed as such. The program as a whole is obviously profitable or they would have dropped it. It's not a matter of thinking that the entire fanbase is a bunch of suckers. Most people won't be suckered into it, but enough will to keep the strategy in place.  
    I've kept a small log of certain tickets to see what happens.  I've noticed the same "Premium" listings are put up and taken down randomly from time to time.  So, when they go off the board, they obviously weren't sold, just taken down.  Then they relist them to see if any dummy accidently clicks on them.  What I am waiting to see is if/when they get listed at a lower price and what that looks like.  Again, why would anyone buy a ticket for a grand when they can easily grab much better seats for 1/4 of that price?  There is literally nothing premium about these seats.  Its just a premium attempt at a scam.
  • SHZASHZA St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 4,097
    edited 4:45PM
    RP123663 said:
    SHZA said:
    RP123663 said:
    SHZA said:
    RP123663 said:


    It’s not always, but often the case, that it’s better to wait.  Definitely don’t buy $800 tickets.  

    Exactly.  They must take the fan base for a bunch of idiots.  Pitt 2 for $948 to sit in literally the worst section of the building.  Anyone that has had the pleasure of sitting on the "floor" behind not only the PIT, but a full other section of floor seats knows that these are anything but premium and are worse than the last row of the upper deck behind the stage.  You'd be better off watching the show from the concourse. 
    They don't need the entire fan base to be a bunch of fools. Just enough to buy the inventory. The overpriced seats obviously sell or they would've stopped doing platinum by now. 
    Obviously?  You have no idea if they sell or not.  Are you scouring the arena floor for 2 empty chairs?  No way they are selling a crap seat for nearly a grand.  There are a lot of dumb people in the world, but nobody is going to light an extra $800 on fire to get a worse seat than they can for a fraction of that price.  Again, the "Premium" is just a lame tactic to try to fool people into thinking that's the going rate for the show.  Your assumption does not trump the fact that the same seats have been listed for weeks with no movement and face value tickets to Raleigh are getting zero interest at $175 but you want to believe someone is going to spend $750 for a worst seat because its simply labeled as premium?  C'mon
    I'm not saying that every premium listing sells just because it's listed as such. The program as a whole is obviously profitable or they would have dropped it. It's not a matter of thinking that the entire fanbase is a bunch of suckers. Most people won't be suckered into it, but enough will to keep the strategy in place.  
    I've kept a small log of certain tickets to see what happens.  I've noticed the same "Premium" listings are put up and taken down randomly from time to time.  So, when they go off the board, they obviously weren't sold, just taken down.  Then they relist them to see if any dummy accidently clicks on them.  What I am waiting to see is if/when they get listed at a lower price and what that looks like.  Again, why would anyone buy a ticket for a grand when they can easily grab much better seats for 1/4 of that price?  There is literally nothing premium about these seats.  Its just a premium attempt at a scam.
    There are plenty of resale listings at close to $1,000. I think prezintense pointed out a new one yesterday for Raleigh. Someone obviously bought those. We see it every year. Why would anyone do that? Who knows, but they do.  
  • ChrrieChrrie Posts: 149
    The premium tickets will either sell at the initial price or somewhere along the way when the price is gradually dropped and eventually becomes face value. Even if they just sold 5 pairs per show it could be the monetary equivalent of 2-3 dozen face value tickets. That floor 4 pair for Raleigh is not going to sell at $900 but to the people who would be inclined to buy PJ Premium at all it sure makes those 106s look like a deal. 

    This Premium crap is such bad optics and rubs a ton of people the wrong way but it could mean an extra idk $100k for the tour when it’s all said and done and all it cost them is some people complaining on social media. 
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,269
    edited 5:04PM
    It is all TM trying to create high price demand by having tickets pop up and then disappear. Sometimes they are purchased and sometimes not. I believe it is all automated and they will keep cycling through until the tickets are sold at the highest possible price. They are trying to determine the highest market price for each individual seat through automation. At some point TM will cut their losses and the market will determine what people are willing to pay. Unfortunately, there are buyers out there for the outrageously priced seats. I have no inside information, this is just my take on what has been happening.
  • Sugarloafer04Sugarloafer04 Colorado // NYC Posts: 503
    Get_Right said:
    It is all TM trying to create high price demand by having tickets pop up and then disappear. Sometimes they are purchased and sometimes not. I believe it is all automated and they will keep cycling through until the tickets are sold at the highest possible price. They are trying to determine the highest market price for each individual seat through automation. At some point TM will cut their losses and the market will determine what people are willing to pay. Unfortunately, there are buyers out there for the outrageously priced seats. I have no inside information, this is just my take on what has been happening.
    this is the bottom line. They are a business and they are trying to sell their product for the most amount of money people are willing to pay. They won't cut their losses at some point, they will just make less profit off each seat once they lower the price.
    2016: Telluride, CO
    2018: Fenway 1
    2021: Sea.Hear.Now
    2022: San Diego, MSG, Camden 
    2023: Ft. Worth 1, Ft. Worth 2, Austin 1, Austin 2
    2024: Las Vegas 1, Las Vegas 2, Wrigley 1, Wrigley 2, MSG 1, MSG 2, Philly 2, Fenway 1, Fenway 2
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