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I saw them and tried to put in my cart but wouldn't let me
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I got super lucky and was able to get tix for 7 of 10 shows. I was expecting 1 or 2. I really wanted FL because that's where I live, but I didn't get those. So looking at my family's schedules and finances, I'm going to start listing some shows F2F. First up will be Pitt1 GA and Pitt2 111. This is so painful. I'll post the links as soon as I have them. Definitely want another true fan to get them!
If you are listing Raleigh (or Atlanta but expect that's the place your are going) a heads up will be appreciated. Thank you.
My best friend who lives on the other side of the world (and refuses to visit the US) & I made a bet just now.
I'm saying that ticket prices incl premium will drop the closer we get to the show. He says they'll go up especially since people are willing to buy premium. If I win he'll come visit me. If I lose I must go travel with him in Nepal.
What are the chances I win?
There is a good chance of a push. Shows like FL that have a ton of PJ Premium in the 200s and 300s might go down on the one hand. Shows at Pittsburgh, which seem to be the most in demand, might stay high. Usually Ticketmaster doesn't list all available seats. They dribble out the last allotments to maintain an illusion and keep prices high. I'm not sure they would need to do that for Pittsburgh. N1 is the only show currently sold out and N2 has 27 listed opening.
I've also been in jail for over 48 hours at this point, and based on past experiences I'm not expecting to be out any time soon.
I think what's most frustrating is that there are some really clear passive criteria TM could use to identify who is and isn't actually a bot/scalper. My TM account has probably purchased hundreds of tickets in the past years, and 90+% of them have been used without being sold or transferred. The few that have been sold (even ignoring F2F after upgrades) have been sold at roughly face value literally every time. In what universe is that behavior consistent with scalping or trying to game their system?
Even ignoring the idea of using sensible logic, they could have an appeals process with a whitelist at the IP level, account level, device ID level, anything. But they don't have formal processes for any of that. If you get lucky with CS, you might find somebody who's willing to help you. Otherwise you get a useless generic response.
The whole 'blocking' charade is optics over utility, just so they can project that they're doing something. They have no incentive to do more than that.
Have you tried to list tickets (without completing the listing)? I wonder if they would have to lift the block to even let you try.
I used to be the biggest fan of f2f and wished other artists would do the same. A very kind person here taught me the ropes before the Canadian leg of the 22 tour and I’d like to think I got quite good at it while it lasted. Had no problem last year either and got all the upgrades I wanted months or weeks before the show. The good old days when even timed drops worked.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
It was difficult but scraped my way through several shows almost exclusively through social means and trades, sharing log-ins or scanning each other in at the show. The few tickets I got myself were hours before doors and in some of the lower demand markets. I’m more fortunate than others in that my partner has a very good 10c number and we used to be able to plan to give unused seats to friends but everything he won for 2024 we ended up using ourselves or for GA trades. The hardest by far that I had to deal with was Seattle and Philly 1. Didn’t bother with Wrigley or MSG because of the state laws.
I haven’t been keeping up on this thread as much partly due to being busy with holiday stuff and partly because I don’t really want to deal with the frustration right now but if it’s anything like it was this year I’m expecting links to be the only reliable way to get tickets.
For what it’s worth, I was refreshing for another band back in early November and found myself getting locked out after 10-20 times switching between 1 and 2 tickets and the only way to fix it was to go in to purchase some of the premium tickets and release them, but then eventually I got the we think you’re a bot message for a few days. I was hoping it was an anomaly but experienced the same thing when refreshing Hollywood the day that f2f opened. So they’ve taken that away now too? The actual bots aren’t even using the web interface to purchase tickets yet that’s what Ticketmaster in its infinite wisdom decided to limit now? I hope others are having better luck. F2F is the only way I’m able to afford going to multiple shows so I definitely still want it but something needs to change. The Billie Eilish story that came out was polarizing and probably unrealistic but I’m glad other artists are realizing there’s a problem too. It sounds crazy but I actually used to enjoy the game of it when you had a chance to win, even used to joke at the end of tours that I didn’t know what to do with my time if I didn’t have to refresh anymore.
I used to be the biggest fan of f2f and wished other artists would do the same. A very kind person here taught me the ropes before the Canadian leg of the 22 tour and I’d like to think I got quite good at it while it lasted. Had no problem last year either and got all the upgrades I wanted months or weeks before the show. The good old days when even timed drops worked.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
It was difficult but scraped my way through several shows almost exclusively through social means and trades, sharing log-ins or scanning each other in at the show. The few tickets I got myself were hours before doors and in some of the lower demand markets. I’m more fortunate than others in that my partner has a very good 10c number and we used to be able to plan to give unused seats to friends but everything he won for 2024 we ended up using ourselves or for GA trades. The hardest by far that I had to deal with was Seattle and Philly 1. Didn’t bother with Wrigley or MSG because of the state laws.
I haven’t been keeping up on this thread as much partly due to being busy with holiday stuff and partly because I don’t really want to deal with the frustration right now but if it’s anything like it was this year I’m expecting links to be the only reliable way to get tickets.
For what it’s worth, I was refreshing for another band back in early November and found myself getting locked out after 10-20 times switching between 1 and 2 tickets and the only way to fix it was to go in to purchase some of the premium tickets and release them, but then eventually I got the we think you’re a bot message for a few days. I was hoping it was an anomaly but experienced the same thing when refreshing Hollywood the day that f2f opened. So they’ve taken that away now too? The actual bots aren’t even using the web interface to purchase tickets yet that’s what Ticketmaster in its infinite wisdom decided to limit now? I hope others are having better luck. F2F is the only way I’m able to afford going to multiple shows so I definitely still want it but something needs to change. The Billie Eilish story that came out was polarizing and probably unrealistic but I’m glad other artists are realizing there’s a problem too. It sounds crazy but I actually used to enjoy the game of it when you had a chance to win, even used to joke at the end of tours that I didn’t know what to do with my time if I didn’t have to refresh anymore.
This is about as accurate of a recap of the last few years as I’ve seen. 👍🏻
Too early to judge for sure but so far things seem much worse than previous. Seats at the back of the arena that used to sit for at least a few mins are disappearing like they were GAs.
I used to be the biggest fan of f2f and wished other artists would do the same. A very kind person here taught me the ropes before the Canadian leg of the 22 tour and I’d like to think I got quite good at it while it lasted. Had no problem last year either and got all the upgrades I wanted months or weeks before the show. The good old days when even timed drops worked.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
It was difficult but scraped my way through several shows almost exclusively through social means and trades, sharing log-ins or scanning each other in at the show. The few tickets I got myself were hours before doors and in some of the lower demand markets. I’m more fortunate than others in that my partner has a very good 10c number and we used to be able to plan to give unused seats to friends but everything he won for 2024 we ended up using ourselves or for GA trades. The hardest by far that I had to deal with was Seattle and Philly 1. Didn’t bother with Wrigley or MSG because of the state laws.
I haven’t been keeping up on this thread as much partly due to being busy with holiday stuff and partly because I don’t really want to deal with the frustration right now but if it’s anything like it was this year I’m expecting links to be the only reliable way to get tickets.
For what it’s worth, I was refreshing for another band back in early November and found myself getting locked out after 10-20 times switching between 1 and 2 tickets and the only way to fix it was to go in to purchase some of the premium tickets and release them, but then eventually I got the we think you’re a bot message for a few days. I was hoping it was an anomaly but experienced the same thing when refreshing Hollywood the day that f2f opened. So they’ve taken that away now too? The actual bots aren’t even using the web interface to purchase tickets yet that’s what Ticketmaster in its infinite wisdom decided to limit now? I hope others are having better luck. F2F is the only way I’m able to afford going to multiple shows so I definitely still want it but something needs to change. The Billie Eilish story that came out was polarizing and probably unrealistic but I’m glad other artists are realizing there’s a problem too. It sounds crazy but I actually used to enjoy the game of it when you had a chance to win, even used to joke at the end of tours that I didn’t know what to do with my time if I didn’t have to refresh anymore.
I see your frustration but I don’t know what the better alternative is to f2f. I don’t think it was conceived as a convenience for fans to repeatedly buy and sell tickets for each show for entire tours in a hope to upgrade to GA. By nature, ten club tickets are non-transferable and f2f was just the outlet for people who won tickets and then couldn’t attend the show. F2F would then get those tickets into the hands of other fans who wanted in the door.
Scalpers have exploited loop holes in the system to their advantage but so have fans. It was inevitable that Ticketmaster was going to try and close some of those loop holes.
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I used to be the biggest fan of f2f and wished other artists would do the same. A very kind person here taught me the ropes before the Canadian leg of the 22 tour and I’d like to think I got quite good at it while it lasted. Had no problem last year either and got all the upgrades I wanted months or weeks before the show. The good old days when even timed drops worked.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
It was difficult but scraped my way through several shows almost exclusively through social means and trades, sharing log-ins or scanning each other in at the show. The few tickets I got myself were hours before doors and in some of the lower demand markets. I’m more fortunate than others in that my partner has a very good 10c number and we used to be able to plan to give unused seats to friends but everything he won for 2024 we ended up using ourselves or for GA trades. The hardest by far that I had to deal with was Seattle and Philly 1. Didn’t bother with Wrigley or MSG because of the state laws.
I haven’t been keeping up on this thread as much partly due to being busy with holiday stuff and partly because I don’t really want to deal with the frustration right now but if it’s anything like it was this year I’m expecting links to be the only reliable way to get tickets.
For what it’s worth, I was refreshing for another band back in early November and found myself getting locked out after 10-20 times switching between 1 and 2 tickets and the only way to fix it was to go in to purchase some of the premium tickets and release them, but then eventually I got the we think you’re a bot message for a few days. I was hoping it was an anomaly but experienced the same thing when refreshing Hollywood the day that f2f opened. So they’ve taken that away now too? The actual bots aren’t even using the web interface to purchase tickets yet that’s what Ticketmaster in its infinite wisdom decided to limit now? I hope others are having better luck. F2F is the only way I’m able to afford going to multiple shows so I definitely still want it but something needs to change. The Billie Eilish story that came out was polarizing and probably unrealistic but I’m glad other artists are realizing there’s a problem too. It sounds crazy but I actually used to enjoy the game of it when you had a chance to win, even used to joke at the end of tours that I didn’t know what to do with my time if I didn’t have to refresh anymore.
I see your frustration but I don’t know what the better alternative is to f2f. I don’t think it was conceived as a convenience for fans to repeatedly buy and sell tickets for each show for entire tours in a hope to upgrade to GA. By nature, ten club tickets are non-transferable and f2f was just the outlet for people who won tickets and then couldn’t attend the show. F2F would then get those tickets into the hands of other fans who wanted in the door.
Scalpers have exploited loop holes in the system to their advantage but so have fans. It was inevitable that Ticketmaster was going to try and close some of those loop holes.
Well ideally you return them to 10C and they dole them out to the people that missed out in the lottery. Generally if the person is using F2F they are probably a descent person and aren't flipping them so it shouldn't matter. Maybe they don't do it will the other tickets sold at $185 just the 10C ones. Never going to happen though. Maybe as a carrot to TM the band lets them list the other tickets as verified fan like other shows so they can make even more money by reselling? The biggest downside will be the complaining from 10C members that someone with a higher number got better seats but that's a price I'm willing to pay.
I know this is a long shot, but if anyone plans on re-listing Hollywood, FL for any night, please give me a heads up beforehand, the only shows I can attend and I was shut out. Thank you!
I used to be the biggest fan of f2f and wished other artists would do the same. A very kind person here taught me the ropes before the Canadian leg of the 22 tour and I’d like to think I got quite good at it while it lasted. Had no problem last year either and got all the upgrades I wanted months or weeks before the show. The good old days when even timed drops worked.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
It was difficult but scraped my way through several shows almost exclusively through social means and trades, sharing log-ins or scanning each other in at the show. The few tickets I got myself were hours before doors and in some of the lower demand markets. I’m more fortunate than others in that my partner has a very good 10c number and we used to be able to plan to give unused seats to friends but everything he won for 2024 we ended up using ourselves or for GA trades. The hardest by far that I had to deal with was Seattle and Philly 1. Didn’t bother with Wrigley or MSG because of the state laws.
I haven’t been keeping up on this thread as much partly due to being busy with holiday stuff and partly because I don’t really want to deal with the frustration right now but if it’s anything like it was this year I’m expecting links to be the only reliable way to get tickets.
For what it’s worth, I was refreshing for another band back in early November and found myself getting locked out after 10-20 times switching between 1 and 2 tickets and the only way to fix it was to go in to purchase some of the premium tickets and release them, but then eventually I got the we think you’re a bot message for a few days. I was hoping it was an anomaly but experienced the same thing when refreshing Hollywood the day that f2f opened. So they’ve taken that away now too? The actual bots aren’t even using the web interface to purchase tickets yet that’s what Ticketmaster in its infinite wisdom decided to limit now? I hope others are having better luck. F2F is the only way I’m able to afford going to multiple shows so I definitely still want it but something needs to change. The Billie Eilish story that came out was polarizing and probably unrealistic but I’m glad other artists are realizing there’s a problem too. It sounds crazy but I actually used to enjoy the game of it when you had a chance to win, even used to joke at the end of tours that I didn’t know what to do with my time if I didn’t have to refresh anymore.
I see your frustration but I don’t know what the better alternative is to f2f. I don’t think it was conceived as a convenience for fans to repeatedly buy and sell tickets for each show for entire tours in a hope to upgrade to GA. By nature, ten club tickets are non-transferable and f2f was just the outlet for people who won tickets and then couldn’t attend the show. F2F would then get those tickets into the hands of other fans who wanted in the door.
Scalpers have exploited loop holes in the system to their advantage but so have fans. It was inevitable that Ticketmaster was going to try and close some of those loop holes.
Maybe repeated upgrades wasn't the intent, but fans who upgrade are still playing by the rules of no transfer and resale at face value only. Until 2022, Stubhub et al. respected that by not allowing listings for non-transfer states. With the current situation, the supposed "non-transfer" restrictions and face value resale policy that is being promised with each of these tours are a complete joke.
The links that are now available at least are a way to do something resembling a true "fan to fan" transfer.
I used to be the biggest fan of f2f and wished other artists would do the same. A very kind person here taught me the ropes before the Canadian leg of the 22 tour and I’d like to think I got quite good at it while it lasted. Had no problem last year either and got all the upgrades I wanted months or weeks before the show. The good old days when even timed drops worked.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
It was difficult but scraped my way through several shows almost exclusively through social means and trades, sharing log-ins or scanning each other in at the show. The few tickets I got myself were hours before doors and in some of the lower demand markets. I’m more fortunate than others in that my partner has a very good 10c number and we used to be able to plan to give unused seats to friends but everything he won for 2024 we ended up using ourselves or for GA trades. The hardest by far that I had to deal with was Seattle and Philly 1. Didn’t bother with Wrigley or MSG because of the state laws.
I haven’t been keeping up on this thread as much partly due to being busy with holiday stuff and partly because I don’t really want to deal with the frustration right now but if it’s anything like it was this year I’m expecting links to be the only reliable way to get tickets.
For what it’s worth, I was refreshing for another band back in early November and found myself getting locked out after 10-20 times switching between 1 and 2 tickets and the only way to fix it was to go in to purchase some of the premium tickets and release them, but then eventually I got the we think you’re a bot message for a few days. I was hoping it was an anomaly but experienced the same thing when refreshing Hollywood the day that f2f opened. So they’ve taken that away now too? The actual bots aren’t even using the web interface to purchase tickets yet that’s what Ticketmaster in its infinite wisdom decided to limit now? I hope others are having better luck. F2F is the only way I’m able to afford going to multiple shows so I definitely still want it but something needs to change. The Billie Eilish story that came out was polarizing and probably unrealistic but I’m glad other artists are realizing there’s a problem too. It sounds crazy but I actually used to enjoy the game of it when you had a chance to win, even used to joke at the end of tours that I didn’t know what to do with my time if I didn’t have to refresh anymore.
I see your frustration but I don’t know what the better alternative is to f2f. I don’t think it was conceived as a convenience for fans to repeatedly buy and sell tickets for each show for entire tours in a hope to upgrade to GA. By nature, ten club tickets are non-transferable and f2f was just the outlet for people who won tickets and then couldn’t attend the show. F2F would then get those tickets into the hands of other fans who wanted in the door.
Scalpers have exploited loop holes in the system to their advantage but so have fans. It was inevitable that Ticketmaster was going to try and close some of those loop holes.
Maybe repeated upgrades wasn't the intent, but fans who upgrade are still playing by the rules of no transfer and resale at face value only. Until 2022, Stubhub et al. respected that by not allowing listings for non-transfer states. With the current situation, the supposed "non-transfer" restrictions and face value resale policy that is being promised with each of these tours are a complete joke.
The links that are now available at least are a way to do something resembling a true "fan to fan" transfer.
I think the links are awesome and a fan friendly move.
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It’s just straight up laziness from 10C not doing will call. They know what’s happening with fan to fan. They can see the secondary sites benefiting from 10C tickets. They act like they are doing something to stop it or at the very least putting up fake threats that they are in fact staying on top of this. We know that’s it happening.
They have ruined 10C tickets imo
Taken out GA only Taken out priority Taken out will call
Allowed so many burner accounts to be created Allowed scalpers to make so much money of this band.
Allowing people to put in for everything and then figure it out later
They are also watching fan to fan 10C tickets being scooped up and put on secondary sites. In the meantime fans are spending actual days and days refreshing trying to get a whiff at something decent. They see how addicted some people are to this ticketing method. Sure they are not responsible for what I do with my time but this is the PJ ticket world that we live in now with them allowing so many people to get tickets they don’t even want.
I used to be the biggest fan of f2f and wished other artists would do the same. A very kind person here taught me the ropes before the Canadian leg of the 22 tour and I’d like to think I got quite good at it while it lasted. Had no problem last year either and got all the upgrades I wanted months or weeks before the show. The good old days when even timed drops worked.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
It was difficult but scraped my way through several shows almost exclusively through social means and trades, sharing log-ins or scanning each other in at the show. The few tickets I got myself were hours before doors and in some of the lower demand markets. I’m more fortunate than others in that my partner has a very good 10c number and we used to be able to plan to give unused seats to friends but everything he won for 2024 we ended up using ourselves or for GA trades. The hardest by far that I had to deal with was Seattle and Philly 1. Didn’t bother with Wrigley or MSG because of the state laws.
I haven’t been keeping up on this thread as much partly due to being busy with holiday stuff and partly because I don’t really want to deal with the frustration right now but if it’s anything like it was this year I’m expecting links to be the only reliable way to get tickets.
For what it’s worth, I was refreshing for another band back in early November and found myself getting locked out after 10-20 times switching between 1 and 2 tickets and the only way to fix it was to go in to purchase some of the premium tickets and release them, but then eventually I got the we think you’re a bot message for a few days. I was hoping it was an anomaly but experienced the same thing when refreshing Hollywood the day that f2f opened. So they’ve taken that away now too? The actual bots aren’t even using the web interface to purchase tickets yet that’s what Ticketmaster in its infinite wisdom decided to limit now? I hope others are having better luck. F2F is the only way I’m able to afford going to multiple shows so I definitely still want it but something needs to change. The Billie Eilish story that came out was polarizing and probably unrealistic but I’m glad other artists are realizing there’s a problem too. It sounds crazy but I actually used to enjoy the game of it when you had a chance to win, even used to joke at the end of tours that I didn’t know what to do with my time if I didn’t have to refresh anymore.
I see your frustration but I don’t know what the better alternative is to f2f. I don’t think it was conceived as a convenience for fans to repeatedly buy and sell tickets for each show for entire tours in a hope to upgrade to GA. By nature, ten club tickets are non-transferable and f2f was just the outlet for people who won tickets and then couldn’t attend the show. F2F would then get those tickets into the hands of other fans who wanted in the door.
Scalpers have exploited loop holes in the system to their advantage but so have fans. It was inevitable that Ticketmaster was going to try and close some of those loop holes.
Maybe repeated upgrades wasn't the intent, but fans who upgrade are still playing by the rules of no transfer and resale at face value only. Until 2022, Stubhub et al. respected that by not allowing listings for non-transfer states. With the current situation, the supposed "non-transfer" restrictions and face value resale policy that is being promised with each of these tours are a complete joke.
The links that are now available at least are a way to do something resembling a true "fan to fan" transfer.
I think the links are awesome and a fan friendly move.
SHZA said it.
Before, F2F was literally that - a fan to fan marketplace.
Saying “the links are a fan friendly move” - that’s ignoring that in 2022-2023 basically only fans were getting these tickets - from other fans. As intended. The onset of “bots” and brokers has ruined what was quite a nice system. For fans.
I used to be the biggest fan of f2f and wished other artists would do the same. A very kind person here taught me the ropes before the Canadian leg of the 22 tour and I’d like to think I got quite good at it while it lasted. Had no problem last year either and got all the upgrades I wanted months or weeks before the show. The good old days when even timed drops worked.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
It was difficult but scraped my way through several shows almost exclusively through social means and trades, sharing log-ins or scanning each other in at the show. The few tickets I got myself were hours before doors and in some of the lower demand markets. I’m more fortunate than others in that my partner has a very good 10c number and we used to be able to plan to give unused seats to friends but everything he won for 2024 we ended up using ourselves or for GA trades. The hardest by far that I had to deal with was Seattle and Philly 1. Didn’t bother with Wrigley or MSG because of the state laws.
I haven’t been keeping up on this thread as much partly due to being busy with holiday stuff and partly because I don’t really want to deal with the frustration right now but if it’s anything like it was this year I’m expecting links to be the only reliable way to get tickets.
For what it’s worth, I was refreshing for another band back in early November and found myself getting locked out after 10-20 times switching between 1 and 2 tickets and the only way to fix it was to go in to purchase some of the premium tickets and release them, but then eventually I got the we think you’re a bot message for a few days. I was hoping it was an anomaly but experienced the same thing when refreshing Hollywood the day that f2f opened. So they’ve taken that away now too? The actual bots aren’t even using the web interface to purchase tickets yet that’s what Ticketmaster in its infinite wisdom decided to limit now? I hope others are having better luck. F2F is the only way I’m able to afford going to multiple shows so I definitely still want it but something needs to change. The Billie Eilish story that came out was polarizing and probably unrealistic but I’m glad other artists are realizing there’s a problem too. It sounds crazy but I actually used to enjoy the game of it when you had a chance to win, even used to joke at the end of tours that I didn’t know what to do with my time if I didn’t have to refresh anymore.
I see your frustration but I don’t know what the better alternative is to f2f. I don’t think it was conceived as a convenience for fans to repeatedly buy and sell tickets for each show for entire tours in a hope to upgrade to GA. By nature, ten club tickets are non-transferable and f2f was just the outlet for people who won tickets and then couldn’t attend the show. F2F would then get those tickets into the hands of other fans who wanted in the door.
Scalpers have exploited loop holes in the system to their advantage but so have fans. It was inevitable that Ticketmaster was going to try and close some of those loop holes.
Maybe repeated upgrades wasn't the intent, but fans who upgrade are still playing by the rules of no transfer and resale at face value only. Until 2022, Stubhub et al. respected that by not allowing listings for non-transfer states. With the current situation, the supposed "non-transfer" restrictions and face value resale policy that is being promised with each of these tours are a complete joke.
The links that are now available at least are a way to do something resembling a true "fan to fan" transfer.
I think the links are awesome and a fan friendly move.
In 2022 and 2023 it was pretty close to fan to fan system. Look through the old f2f threads and it’s full of 10c members actually getting tickets from refreshing. Now the links have become the only way to get anything until the secondary market tanks enough for them not to buy everything.
I used to be the biggest fan of f2f and wished other artists would do the same. A very kind person here taught me the ropes before the Canadian leg of the 22 tour and I’d like to think I got quite good at it while it lasted. Had no problem last year either and got all the upgrades I wanted months or weeks before the show. The good old days when even timed drops worked.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
It was difficult but scraped my way through several shows almost exclusively through social means and trades, sharing log-ins or scanning each other in at the show. The few tickets I got myself were hours before doors and in some of the lower demand markets. I’m more fortunate than others in that my partner has a very good 10c number and we used to be able to plan to give unused seats to friends but everything he won for 2024 we ended up using ourselves or for GA trades. The hardest by far that I had to deal with was Seattle and Philly 1. Didn’t bother with Wrigley or MSG because of the state laws.
I haven’t been keeping up on this thread as much partly due to being busy with holiday stuff and partly because I don’t really want to deal with the frustration right now but if it’s anything like it was this year I’m expecting links to be the only reliable way to get tickets.
For what it’s worth, I was refreshing for another band back in early November and found myself getting locked out after 10-20 times switching between 1 and 2 tickets and the only way to fix it was to go in to purchase some of the premium tickets and release them, but then eventually I got the we think you’re a bot message for a few days. I was hoping it was an anomaly but experienced the same thing when refreshing Hollywood the day that f2f opened. So they’ve taken that away now too? The actual bots aren’t even using the web interface to purchase tickets yet that’s what Ticketmaster in its infinite wisdom decided to limit now? I hope others are having better luck. F2F is the only way I’m able to afford going to multiple shows so I definitely still want it but something needs to change. The Billie Eilish story that came out was polarizing and probably unrealistic but I’m glad other artists are realizing there’s a problem too. It sounds crazy but I actually used to enjoy the game of it when you had a chance to win, even used to joke at the end of tours that I didn’t know what to do with my time if I didn’t have to refresh anymore.
I see your frustration but I don’t know what the better alternative is to f2f. I don’t think it was conceived as a convenience for fans to repeatedly buy and sell tickets for each show for entire tours in a hope to upgrade to GA. By nature, ten club tickets are non-transferable and f2f was just the outlet for people who won tickets and then couldn’t attend the show. F2F would then get those tickets into the hands of other fans who wanted in the door.
Scalpers have exploited loop holes in the system to their advantage but so have fans. It was inevitable that Ticketmaster was going to try and close some of those loop holes.
Maybe repeated upgrades wasn't the intent, but fans who upgrade are still playing by the rules of no transfer and resale at face value only. Until 2022, Stubhub et al. respected that by not allowing listings for non-transfer states. With the current situation, the supposed "non-transfer" restrictions and face value resale policy that is being promised with each of these tours are a complete joke.
The links that are now available at least are a way to do something resembling a true "fan to fan" transfer.
I think the links are awesome and a fan friendly move.
In 2022 and 2023 it was pretty close to fan to fan system. Look through the old f2f threads and it’s full of 10c members actually getting tickets from refreshing. Now the links have become the only way to get anything until the secondary market tanks enough for them not to buy everything.
Right, but if you wanted a particular person to get your tickets, there wasn't a way to do it before the link. If someone faster was refreshing at the time, even in the middle of the night, it could get sniped. The link at least would give the intended recipient a brief window which didn't exist before. The rest of it is a disaster though compared to how it was lol
I used to be the biggest fan of f2f and wished other artists would do the same. A very kind person here taught me the ropes before the Canadian leg of the 22 tour and I’d like to think I got quite good at it while it lasted. Had no problem last year either and got all the upgrades I wanted months or weeks before the show. The good old days when even timed drops worked.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
It was difficult but scraped my way through several shows almost exclusively through social means and trades, sharing log-ins or scanning each other in at the show. The few tickets I got myself were hours before doors and in some of the lower demand markets. I’m more fortunate than others in that my partner has a very good 10c number and we used to be able to plan to give unused seats to friends but everything he won for 2024 we ended up using ourselves or for GA trades. The hardest by far that I had to deal with was Seattle and Philly 1. Didn’t bother with Wrigley or MSG because of the state laws.
I haven’t been keeping up on this thread as much partly due to being busy with holiday stuff and partly because I don’t really want to deal with the frustration right now but if it’s anything like it was this year I’m expecting links to be the only reliable way to get tickets.
For what it’s worth, I was refreshing for another band back in early November and found myself getting locked out after 10-20 times switching between 1 and 2 tickets and the only way to fix it was to go in to purchase some of the premium tickets and release them, but then eventually I got the we think you’re a bot message for a few days. I was hoping it was an anomaly but experienced the same thing when refreshing Hollywood the day that f2f opened. So they’ve taken that away now too? The actual bots aren’t even using the web interface to purchase tickets yet that’s what Ticketmaster in its infinite wisdom decided to limit now? I hope others are having better luck. F2F is the only way I’m able to afford going to multiple shows so I definitely still want it but something needs to change. The Billie Eilish story that came out was polarizing and probably unrealistic but I’m glad other artists are realizing there’s a problem too. It sounds crazy but I actually used to enjoy the game of it when you had a chance to win, even used to joke at the end of tours that I didn’t know what to do with my time if I didn’t have to refresh anymore.
I see your frustration but I don’t know what the better alternative is to f2f. I don’t think it was conceived as a convenience for fans to repeatedly buy and sell tickets for each show for entire tours in a hope to upgrade to GA. By nature, ten club tickets are non-transferable and f2f was just the outlet for people who won tickets and then couldn’t attend the show. F2F would then get those tickets into the hands of other fans who wanted in the door.
Scalpers have exploited loop holes in the system to their advantage but so have fans. It was inevitable that Ticketmaster was going to try and close some of those loop holes.
Maybe repeated upgrades wasn't the intent, but fans who upgrade are still playing by the rules of no transfer and resale at face value only. Until 2022, Stubhub et al. respected that by not allowing listings for non-transfer states. With the current situation, the supposed "non-transfer" restrictions and face value resale policy that is being promised with each of these tours are a complete joke.
The links that are now available at least are a way to do something resembling a true "fan to fan" transfer.
I think the links are awesome and a fan friendly move.
In 2022 and 2023 it was pretty close to fan to fan system. Look through the old f2f threads and it’s full of 10c members actually getting tickets from refreshing. Now the links have become the only way to get anything until the secondary market tanks enough for them not to buy everything.
Right, but if you wanted a particular person to get your tickets, there wasn't a way to do it before the link. If someone faster was refreshing at the time, even in the middle of the night, it could get sniped. The link at least would give the intended recipient a brief window which didn't exist before. The rest of it is a disaster though compared to how it was lol
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I used to be the biggest fan of f2f and wished other artists would do the same. A very kind person here taught me the ropes before the Canadian leg of the 22 tour and I’d like to think I got quite good at it while it lasted. Had no problem last year either and got all the upgrades I wanted months or weeks before the show. The good old days when even timed drops worked.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
It was difficult but scraped my way through several shows almost exclusively through social means and trades, sharing log-ins or scanning each other in at the show. The few tickets I got myself were hours before doors and in some of the lower demand markets. I’m more fortunate than others in that my partner has a very good 10c number and we used to be able to plan to give unused seats to friends but everything he won for 2024 we ended up using ourselves or for GA trades. The hardest by far that I had to deal with was Seattle and Philly 1. Didn’t bother with Wrigley or MSG because of the state laws.
I haven’t been keeping up on this thread as much partly due to being busy with holiday stuff and partly because I don’t really want to deal with the frustration right now but if it’s anything like it was this year I’m expecting links to be the only reliable way to get tickets.
For what it’s worth, I was refreshing for another band back in early November and found myself getting locked out after 10-20 times switching between 1 and 2 tickets and the only way to fix it was to go in to purchase some of the premium tickets and release them, but then eventually I got the we think you’re a bot message for a few days. I was hoping it was an anomaly but experienced the same thing when refreshing Hollywood the day that f2f opened. So they’ve taken that away now too? The actual bots aren’t even using the web interface to purchase tickets yet that’s what Ticketmaster in its infinite wisdom decided to limit now? I hope others are having better luck. F2F is the only way I’m able to afford going to multiple shows so I definitely still want it but something needs to change. The Billie Eilish story that came out was polarizing and probably unrealistic but I’m glad other artists are realizing there’s a problem too. It sounds crazy but I actually used to enjoy the game of it when you had a chance to win, even used to joke at the end of tours that I didn’t know what to do with my time if I didn’t have to refresh anymore.
I see your frustration but I don’t know what the better alternative is to f2f. I don’t think it was conceived as a convenience for fans to repeatedly buy and sell tickets for each show for entire tours in a hope to upgrade to GA. By nature, ten club tickets are non-transferable and f2f was just the outlet for people who won tickets and then couldn’t attend the show. F2F would then get those tickets into the hands of other fans who wanted in the door.
Scalpers have exploited loop holes in the system to their advantage but so have fans. It was inevitable that Ticketmaster was going to try and close some of those loop holes.
Maybe repeated upgrades wasn't the intent, but fans who upgrade are still playing by the rules of no transfer and resale at face value only. Until 2022, Stubhub et al. respected that by not allowing listings for non-transfer states. With the current situation, the supposed "non-transfer" restrictions and face value resale policy that is being promised with each of these tours are a complete joke.
The links that are now available at least are a way to do something resembling a true "fan to fan" transfer.
I think the links are awesome and a fan friendly move.
In 2022 and 2023 it was pretty close to fan to fan system. Look through the old f2f threads and it’s full of 10c members actually getting tickets from refreshing. Now the links have become the only way to get anything until the secondary market tanks enough for them not to buy everything.
2022 was good for fans, 2023 is what we saw tickets going right to eBay within minutes, we could still have some success, they were not as good at beating us as in 2024... where it became impossible. I blame Taylor Swift, her tickets and tour forced resellers to up their game.
SHZA said: Right, but if you wanted a particular person to get your tickets, there wasn't a way to do it before the link. If someone faster was refreshing at the time, even in the middle of the night, it could get sniped. The link at least would give the intended recipient a brief window which didn't exist before. The rest of it is a disaster though compared to how it was lol
Yeah. That’s true, the link is good for an attempt at getting to a specific person.
I guess it’s more that there are many tickets that belong to people with no forum/Facebook group and just toss up on to F2F. And those are going straight to brokers and scalpers. Links don’t help with those.
I'm gonna have to agree with the earlier sentiment. I think everyone should just stop looking and stop refreshing immediately. Spread the word.
Add to the message to share links directly via txt. ( not posting) not DM not email. All too slow.. Lets get some successes through working this network of fans and turn the tide against TM/BOTS
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2000 Virginia Beach
2003 Raleigh
2016 Raleigh Thanks HB2
2016 Columbia
2020 Baltimore Thanks COVID
2022 Baltimore The only original COVID venue not rescheduled (due to construction) :(
2022 Denver
2024 Baltimore
2025 Raleigh 1 and 2
1998 Raleigh
2000 Virginia Beach
2003 Raleigh
2016 Raleigh Thanks HB2
2016 Columbia
2020 Baltimore Thanks COVID
2022 Baltimore The only original COVID venue not rescheduled (due to construction) :(
2022 Denver
2024 Baltimore
2025 Raleigh 1 and 2
If you are listing Raleigh (or Atlanta but expect that's the place your are going) a heads up will be appreciated. Thank you.
There is a good chance of a push. Shows like FL that have a ton of PJ Premium in the 200s and 300s might go down on the one hand. Shows at Pittsburgh, which seem to be the most in demand, might stay high. Usually Ticketmaster doesn't list all available seats. They dribble out the last allotments to maintain an illusion and keep prices high. I'm not sure they would need to do that for Pittsburgh. N1 is the only show currently sold out and N2 has 27 listed opening.
That changed this year and I can’t help but blame the mobile ticket hack that the larger brokers figured out. I feel like I started hearing about this link thing that you’d get emailed if you bought from Vivid before St. Paul but it certainly wasn’t breaking the system yet. When f2f opened unannounced for this year’s shows I got Vancouver GA within a couple hours and then nothing for any other show until the day of. Was able to cart plenty of pairs in the weeks and months leading up but never actually got any until going after singles got reliable for a little while, almost like their algorithm briefly wasn’t looking for them. Maybe that’s anecdotal but that was my perception for a bit.
problem solved
Well ideally you return them to 10C and they dole them out to the people that missed out in the lottery. Generally if the person is using F2F they are probably a descent person and aren't flipping them so it shouldn't matter. Maybe they don't do it will the other tickets sold at $185 just the 10C ones. Never going to happen though. Maybe as a carrot to TM the band lets them list the other tickets as verified fan like other shows so they can make even more money by reselling? The biggest downside will be the complaining from 10C members that someone with a higher number got better seats but that's a price I'm willing to pay.
I know this is a long shot, but if anyone plans on re-listing Hollywood, FL for any night, please give me a heads up beforehand, the only shows I can attend and I was shut out. Thank you!
The links that are now available at least are a way to do something resembling a true "fan to fan" transfer.
Taken out GA only
Taken out priority
Taken out will call
Allowed scalpers to make so much money of this band.
Bring back 2018 and before Lotto.
Spread the word.