2024 US Election - Predictions

tempo_n_groove

Spiritual_Chaos said:

tbergs said:

pjl44 said:

tbergs said:

pjl44 said:

Harris was a bad candidate but they were kinda stuck. Running a bad campaign to boot only exacerbated the problem.

Yeah, blame the female minority candidate who has no corruption in her past and was more experienced. The issue isn't with her or her campaign, it's with the archaic patriarchy mindset of a vast majority of people in this country. Remove the ages, names, gender and race of each candidate and stack their merits side by side and tell me she's a bad candidate. That's fucking ridiculous and you are part of the problem, whether you like it or not. She can't win for the same reason Pete will never be able to win. We've proven only straight white men can control enough of the electorate. I applaud democrats for pushing aside gender as an obstacle to the presidency, but unfortunately this country still isn't ready for a woman to lead.

Noted straight white man Barack Obama 

Yes, my bad. It's primarily a gender issue at this point, but racism is still a factor. I don't know that Obama could beat Trump at this point in time either. 4 years from now, i think people will really try/want Trump gone, but who knows what his plans will be. His health will be so bad that I expect Vance to be really stepping up for his run.

I believe Vance is an empty vessel and is easily twisted. But if not, he did say Trump was a danger and a nazi once - so he might reign it in. Chances are he tries to be Trump 2.0 and go all in on the populist "grift" to get the cult followers ofc. 

In America the official declaration now is that Climate Change isn't real, and more oil is a great solution. Haha. What a country.

The price of EV cars are insane.  The demand isn't there so back to gas engines for now.

Spiritual_Chaos

tempo_n_groove said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

tbergs said:

pjl44 said:

tbergs said:

pjl44 said:

Harris was a bad candidate but they were kinda stuck. Running a bad campaign to boot only exacerbated the problem.

Yeah, blame the female minority candidate who has no corruption in her past and was more experienced. The issue isn't with her or her campaign, it's with the archaic patriarchy mindset of a vast majority of people in this country. Remove the ages, names, gender and race of each candidate and stack their merits side by side and tell me she's a bad candidate. That's fucking ridiculous and you are part of the problem, whether you like it or not. She can't win for the same reason Pete will never be able to win. We've proven only straight white men can control enough of the electorate. I applaud democrats for pushing aside gender as an obstacle to the presidency, but unfortunately this country still isn't ready for a woman to lead.

Noted straight white man Barack Obama 

Yes, my bad. It's primarily a gender issue at this point, but racism is still a factor. I don't know that Obama could beat Trump at this point in time either. 4 years from now, i think people will really try/want Trump gone, but who knows what his plans will be. His health will be so bad that I expect Vance to be really stepping up for his run.

I believe Vance is an empty vessel and is easily twisted. But if not, he did say Trump was a danger and a nazi once - so he might reign it in. Chances are he tries to be Trump 2.0 and go all in on the populist "grift" to get the cult followers ofc. 

In America the official declaration now is that Climate Change isn't real, and more oil is a great solution. Haha. What a country.

The price of EV cars are insane.  The demand isn't there so back to gas engines for now.

But you believe in climate change still... right? ...right? 

pjl44

Before last night, Democrats had won 3 of the previous 4 Presidential elections. This country is more than willing to embrace Democrats to lead. Their best path forward is to take an honest appraisal of what happened vs. throwing a tantrum over the electorate.

Halifax2TheMax

pjl44 said:

Bentleyspop said:

When people ask "how did this happen?". Tell them it was men.
White, older, "christian" men who never attended college.
They see themselves in his hatred.

And yes clearly white women and latinos are part of the equation but his overwhelming support came from white men. 

They should all be ashamed for supporting so much fear, hatred, ignorance, and lies.

This is not at all borne out in the exit polling and would qualify as disinformation 

And this is an attempt to dismiss what may have happened as “exit polling” doesn’t mean shit. It takes a long term intense examination of voting results to determine whether white males had an outsized influence on the result.

Spiritual_Chaos

pjl44 said:

Before last night, Democrats had won 3 of the previous 4 Presidential elections. This country is more than willing to embrace Democrats to lead. Their best path forward is to take an honest appraisal of what happened vs. throwing a tantrum over the electorate.

They had only won 3 of the last 6 though.

pjl44

If you want to listen to voices that just use politics to launder their own mental illness it's going to be a long road back

pjl44

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjl44 said:

Before last night, Democrats had won 3 of the previous 4 Presidential elections. This country is more than willing to embrace Democrats to lead. Their best path forward is to take an honest appraisal of what happened vs. throwing a tantrum over the electorate.

They had only won 3 of the last 6 though.

Or 5 of the last 8

Spiritual_Chaos

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjl44 said:

Before last night, Democrats had won 3 of the previous 4 Presidential elections. This country is more than willing to embrace Democrats to lead. Their best path forward is to take an honest appraisal of what happened vs. throwing a tantrum over the electorate.

They had only won 3 of the last 6 though.

Or 5 of the last 8

Or 5 of the last 10. 

So, doesn't seem that conclusive that democrats is all that more embraced to lead.

tbergs

Halifax2TheMax said:

pjl44 said:

Bentleyspop said:

When people ask "how did this happen?". Tell them it was men.
White, older, "christian" men who never attended college.
They see themselves in his hatred.

And yes clearly white women and latinos are part of the equation but his overwhelming support came from white men. 

They should all be ashamed for supporting so much fear, hatred, ignorance, and lies.

This is not at all borne out in the exit polling and would qualify as disinformation 

And this is an attempt to dismiss what may have happened as “exit polling” doesn’t mean shit. It takes a long term intense examination of voting results to determine whether white males had an outsized influence on the result.

Women did not come out in support of Harris like expected and men of all backgrounds certainly were less supportive of her than Biden looking back at 2020. I still think it comes down to gender in this election. When I hear someone claim her campaign or policies were bad, I just have to scoff and ask, then why did Trump get so many votes? First it was Biden was too old, but then when he dropped, the same metric didn't matter to Trump voters so then they pointed to policy, but that's just laughable.

I'll be fine. My kids future's, a little more uncertain. Extremely disappointing that they see how morals and decency don't matter and you can do whatever you want and still be rewarded. 

Spiritual_Chaos

#New exit poll - Latino voters  

2020 - Biden +41  
2024 - Harris +4

 CNN

Ledbetterman10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

#New exit poll - Latino voters  

2020 - Biden +41  
2024 - Harris +4

 CNN

Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  

Halifax2TheMax

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

pjl44 said:

Bentleyspop said:

When people ask "how did this happen?". Tell them it was men.
White, older, "christian" men who never attended college.
They see themselves in his hatred.

And yes clearly white women and latinos are part of the equation but his overwhelming support came from white men. 

They should all be ashamed for supporting so much fear, hatred, ignorance, and lies.

This is not at all borne out in the exit polling and would qualify as disinformation 

And this is an attempt to dismiss what may have happened as “exit polling” doesn’t mean shit. It takes a long term intense examination of voting results to determine whether white males had an outsized influence on the result.

Women did not come out in support of Harris like expected and men of all backgrounds certainly were less supportive of her than Biden looking back at 2020. I still think it comes down to gender in this election. When I hear someone claim her campaign or policies were bad, I just have to scoff and ask, then why did Trump get so many votes? First it was Biden was too old, but then when he dropped, the same metric didn't matter to Trump voters so then they pointed to policy, but that's just laughable.

I'll be fine. My kids future's, a little more uncertain. Extremely disappointing that they see how morals and decency don't matter and you can do whatever you want and still be rewarded. 

See my post in the End of the American Republic thread made 2 weeks before the election. ‘Muricans want fascism.

tbergs

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

#New exit poll - Latino voters  

2020 - Biden +41  
2024 - Harris +4

 CNN

Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  

Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.

Gern Blansten

Spiritual_Chaos said:

#New exit poll - Latino voters  

2020 - Biden +41  
2024 - Harris +4

 CNN

I think the inflation bullshit got to them. Once again the ignorance of not understanding why we were dealing with it (it is global...just like gas prices) and accepting that Biden/Harris should be blamed may have tipped it to trump.

Whatever. 

Poncier

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjl44 said:

Before last night, Democrats had won 3 of the previous 4 Presidential elections. This country is more than willing to embrace Democrats to lead. Their best path forward is to take an honest appraisal of what happened vs. throwing a tantrum over the electorate.

They had only won 3 of the last 6 though.

Or 5 of the last 8

Or 5 of the last 10. 

So, doesn't seem that conclusive that democrats is all that more embraced to lead.

5 of last 11 actually

Ledbetterman10

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

#New exit poll - Latino voters  

2020 - Biden +41  
2024 - Harris +4

 CNN

Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  

Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.

So why didn't she get a single delegate in the 2020 primary? Was the democratic electorate racist or sexist? Or did they know that she a terrible candidate even then? 

GlowGirl

Choccoloccotide said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I thought voting in overtly racist, sexist and fascist-spouting strong-man wannabes 26 times sexual abusers who can't even do 4th grade math was something only garbage countries did. With a majority of the popular vote to boot. 

What happened.

You guys are blinded by hate.  Cope

For me it is justified fear more than hate. 

tbergs

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

#New exit poll - Latino voters  

2020 - Biden +41  
2024 - Harris +4

 CNN

Those damn white supremacist Latinos.  

Sexist would the correct assessment of why the huge swing.

So why didn't she get a single delegate in the 2020 primary? Was the democratic electorate racist or sexist? Or did they know that she a terrible candidate even then? 

If you don't think sexism played a factor, i don't know that there's anything i can say to change your mind. Just go out there and read about the numerous women and men who don't think a woman should be president. That's an x factor she was born with and can't change, but yet the White male con man can do whatever he wants.

Spiritual_Chaos

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

#New exit poll - Latino voters  

2020 - Biden +41  
2024 - Harris +4

 CNN

I think the inflation bullshit got to them. Once again the ignorance of not understanding why we were dealing with it (it is global...just like gas prices) and accepting that Biden/Harris should be blamed may have tipped it to trump.

Whatever. 

If Joe and Kamala really outperformed the rest of the western world, and also what would have been with Trump at the reigns. Then maybe they should have been better at communicating this? Get people to think "We are lucky to have it this good, and they fight this global problem as good as possible" instead of "This is hell, let have someone else have a go. And fuck immigrants"

I mean, you had daft PJ fans in here be all "Kamala created inflation" and in the swedish news coverage a bunch of people said they voted for Trump because of thee economy and basically "because he says he will fix it and that si better than having it unfixed like now". Show that is is being fixed compared to what unfixed would be.

cincybearcat

The dissection of this election will be fascinating. Going in to the night I felt like the issues Harris faced were economy(inflation) and immigration mostly.  I completely ignored the sexist portion...I do not think it was the overall driver, but I will be interested to know how much a factor it really was.