Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020.
Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....
2016: Clinton: 66M Trump: 63M Total: 129M
2020: Biden: 81M Trump: 74M Total: 155M
2024 (as of now) Harris: 66M Trump: 71M Total: 137M
So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.
Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times. How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?
I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote. They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time.
I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it.
I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.
Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.
No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....
"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), andshe didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."
Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
do you believe in climate change?
Are you an American Citizen?
Funny, with climate not being restrained to national borders.
Do you believe in climate change?
Climate change is a naturally occurring phenomenon over the existence of earth it has happened thousands of times. It is not new or special.
If you believe climate change is man made do you understand the only solution is to reduce the population by about 3 billion? That's not the winning platform you think it is.
It's not man made. But it is man accelerated.
The correct term is anthropocentric global warming. Which means it's caused by humans, which includes women.
Yes, I don't think anyone is saying women don't contribute. But are you saying it didn't exist before humans? Climate change has always existed. Its just happening at a rate of 100 times (probably higher) faster than without humans.
No, what I'm saying is that what we are experiencing is an extreme form of climate change that has been created and exacerbated by burning fossil fuels, dumping excessive amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and cutting down forest which in return reduces the ability of the planet to absorb that excess carbon. It's all been clearly explained by knowledgeable, bright people who have studied and measured these things for decades.
Good God man, excuse my surprise, but are you really not aware of these realities?
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"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020.
Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....
2016: Clinton: 66M Trump: 63M Total: 129M
2020: Biden: 81M Trump: 74M Total: 155M
2024 (as of now) Harris: 66M Trump: 71M Total: 137M
So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.
Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times. How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?
I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote. They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time.
I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it.
I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.
Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.
No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....
"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), andshe didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."
I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.
There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.
I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.
Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020.
Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....
2016: Clinton: 66M Trump: 63M Total: 129M
2020: Biden: 81M Trump: 74M Total: 155M
2024 (as of now) Harris: 66M Trump: 71M Total: 137M
So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.
Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times. How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?
I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote. They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time.
I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it.
I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.
Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.
No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....
"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), andshe didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."
There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.
Inflation was the biggest driver. I think "Trans Women in Sports" was a close second with the border 3rd. Harris did a terrible job of really addressing any of those, but given the economy, I don't think the party had a chance. As Project 2025 moves into implementation with the backing of the most party-loyal federal court system in US history, some people may regret their vote. By then it will be too late. Even an optimistic Dem/lib has to recognize that the next people to experience a balanced court system have not even been born yet.
This necessary downturn Elon has mentioned will probably come from a very swift firing of a million or so federal employees. Further, I'm not a federal employee but am one of several hundred thousand likely to end up unemployed in 2025 or 2026.
We're not really going to have a functioning federal government, which is part of the appeal. Trump is no longer surrounded by so many normies/establishment (depending on your POV). It's all people that want to make a big splash against wokeness, government spending, secularism, and feminism. They don't actually care about running an efficient government. They care about getting rich and, to an extent, destroying the government. I guess their contempt for federal employees will be accepted since they're lazy government workers. But Elon's one-size-fits-all belief in slashing staff is going to cause a lot of problems for the way the federal government operates along with a big spike in unemployment. He's about to become the most powerful non-governmental figure in US history.
I work in state government. A large percentage of our work is funded by the federal government. I’m fully expecting to not have a job a year from now. My wife works for a public health research consulting firm. Their primary clients are the CDC and Dept of Health. Her firm will likely shutter as well.
If they go through with their slashing of government workforce and turn off funding, there will be a massive economic hit to the country. Not to mention the disruption in government service people have come to expect.
Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
do you believe in climate change?
Are you an American Citizen?
Funny, with climate not being restrained to national borders.
Do you believe in climate change?
Climate change is a naturally occurring phenomenon over the existence of earth it has happened thousands of times. It is not new or special.
If you believe climate change is man made do you understand the only solution is to reduce the population by about 3 billion? That's not the winning platform you think it is.
It's not man made. But it is man accelerated.
The correct term is anthropocentric global warming. Which means it's caused by humans, which includes women.
Yes, I don't think anyone is saying women don't contribute. But are you saying it didn't exist before humans? Climate change has always existed. Its just happening at a rate of 100 times (probably higher) faster than without humans.
No, what I'm saying is that what we are experiencing is an extreme form of climate change that has been created and exacerbated by burning fossil fuels, dumping excessive amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and cutting down forest which in return reduces the ability of the planet to absorb that excess carbon. It's all been clearly explained by knowledgeable, bright people who have studied and measured these things for decades.
Good God man, excuse my surprise, but are you really not aware of these realities?
I am. i responded to the first comment that climate change isn’t man made because it’s been around long before man. I said it’s true that’s it’s been around before man, but man has drastically accelerated the process. So calling it’s been around a long time isn’t a defense against climate change.
harris wins in a blowout. i have never been more confident in my life.
My biggest wish.
did you see trump's empty ass rallies the last few days. he should have been reserving high school gymnasiums because he can't fill mid sized arenas anymore. tired old schtick.
as i said before. you can't be angry forever, and his anger and campaign ran out of gas.
Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020.
Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....
2016: Clinton: 66M Trump: 63M Total: 129M
2020: Biden: 81M Trump: 74M Total: 155M
2024 (as of now) Harris: 66M Trump: 71M Total: 137M
So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.
Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times. How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?
I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote. They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time.
I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it.
I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.
Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.
No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....
"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), andshe didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."
I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.
There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.
I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.
No, whatever Mahomes comment you're talking about wasn't me. But yes, we do see if differently. While I do think sexism exists, I don't think it's why Clinton or Harris lost. Clinton lost by underestimating the Trump sideshow. And Harris lost because of the reasons I've already listed. But if women have it so tough, here's an idea, don't just install one as a candidate for president without a vote. Because as was the case in 2020, the democratic electorate would not have chosen Harris.
Inflation was the biggest driver. I think "Trans Women in Sports" was a close second with the border 3rd. Harris did a terrible job of really addressing any of those, but given the economy, I don't think the party had a chance. As Project 2025 moves into implementation with the backing of the most party-loyal federal court system in US history, some people may regret their vote. By then it will be too late. Even an optimistic Dem/lib has to recognize that the next people to experience a balanced court system have not even been born yet.
This necessary downturn Elon has mentioned will probably come from a very swift firing of a million or so federal employees. Further, I'm not a federal employee but am one of several hundred thousand likely to end up unemployed in 2025 or 2026.
We're not really going to have a functioning federal government, which is part of the appeal. Trump is no longer surrounded by so many normies/establishment (depending on your POV). It's all people that want to make a big splash against wokeness, government spending, secularism, and feminism. They don't actually care about running an efficient government. They care about getting rich and, to an extent, destroying the government. I guess their contempt for federal employees will be accepted since they're lazy government workers. But Elon's one-size-fits-all belief in slashing staff is going to cause a lot of problems for the way the federal government operates along with a big spike in unemployment. He's about to become the most powerful non-governmental figure in US history.
I work in state government. A large percentage of our work is funded by the federal government. I’m fully expecting to not have a job a year from now. My wife works for a public health research consulting firm. Their primary clients are the CDC and Dept of Health. Her firm will likely shutter as well.
If they go through with their slashing of government workforce and turn off funding, there will be a massive economic hit to the country. Not to mention the disruption in government service people have come to expect.
Yes, and I'm sorry to hear this could affect you folks.
My wife pointed out that a lot of people voted for Trump simply because they want their grocery store bill to be lower. Their short-sighted thinking illustrates the stupidity that is rampant among MAGAs. They actually think all this is going to make their lives better. They are in for the wake-up call of their lives and it will be too late. This country is fucked.
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Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
do you believe in climate change?
Are you an American Citizen?
Funny, with climate not being restrained to national borders.
Do you believe in climate change?
Climate change is a naturally occurring phenomenon over the existence of earth it has happened thousands of times. It is not new or special.
If you believe climate change is man made do you understand the only solution is to reduce the population by about 3 billion? That's not the winning platform you think it is.
It's not man made. But it is man accelerated.
The correct term is anthropocentric global warming. Which means it's caused by humans, which includes women.
Yes, I don't think anyone is saying women don't contribute. But are you saying it didn't exist before humans? Climate change has always existed. Its just happening at a rate of 100 times (probably higher) faster than without humans.
No, what I'm saying is that what we are experiencing is an extreme form of climate change that has been created and exacerbated by burning fossil fuels, dumping excessive amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and cutting down forest which in return reduces the ability of the planet to absorb that excess carbon. It's all been clearly explained by knowledgeable, bright people who have studied and measured these things for decades.
Good God man, excuse my surprise, but are you really not aware of these realities?
I am. i responded to the first comment that climate change isn’t man made because it’s been around long before man. I said it’s true that’s it’s been around before man, but man has drastically accelerated the process. So calling it’s been around a long time isn’t a defense against climate change.
I think we’re saying the same thing.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood.
And I'm sorry everybody for being in a piss poor mood this morning. Grief and anger are not an attractive characteristic of mine at times.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020.
Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....
2016: Clinton: 66M Trump: 63M Total: 129M
2020: Biden: 81M Trump: 74M Total: 155M
2024 (as of now) Harris: 66M Trump: 71M Total: 137M
So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.
Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times. How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?
I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote. They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time.
I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it.
I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.
Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.
No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....
"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), andshe didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."
I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.
There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.
I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.
No, whatever Mahomes comment you're talking about wasn't me. But yes, we do see if differently. While I do think sexism exists, I don't think it's why Clinton or Harris lost. Clinton lost by underestimating the Trump sideshow. And Harris lost because of the reasons I've already listed. But if women have it so tough, here's an idea, don't just install one as a candidate for president without a vote. Because as was the case in 2020, the democratic electorate would not have chosen Harris.
Biden refused to be a one term prez. The R’s ran an incredibly convincing campaign on his cognition, helped along in no small part by his first debate performance. But he dropped out too late. There wasn’t enough time to go through the usual process. They did what they felt was their best shot.
I truly felt the US voter (not his base) was ready to move on from Trump. But I underestimated the selfishness, ignorance, short sightedness, and general assholery of my fellow citizen.
in 2016 his cabinet was full of people who actually knew what they were doing (betsy and a few others notwithstanding)Now? Steve Bannon will probably be secretary of defence and Kyle Rittenhouse will be the new immigration “czar”. Hulk Hogan will be his press secretary. “Next question? Brotherrrrr?”.
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"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Inflation was the biggest driver. I think "Trans Women in Sports" was a close second with the border 3rd. Harris did a terrible job of really addressing any of those, but given the economy, I don't think the party had a chance. As Project 2025 moves into implementation with the backing of the most party-loyal federal court system in US history, some people may regret their vote. By then it will be too late. Even an optimistic Dem/lib has to recognize that the next people to experience a balanced court system have not even been born yet.
This necessary downturn Elon has mentioned will probably come from a very swift firing of a million or so federal employees. Further, I'm not a federal employee but am one of several hundred thousand likely to end up unemployed in 2025 or 2026.
We're not really going to have a functioning federal government, which is part of the appeal. Trump is no longer surrounded by so many normies/establishment (depending on your POV). It's all people that want to make a big splash against wokeness, government spending, secularism, and feminism. They don't actually care about running an efficient government. They care about getting rich and, to an extent, destroying the government. I guess their contempt for federal employees will be accepted since they're lazy government workers. But Elon's one-size-fits-all belief in slashing staff is going to cause a lot of problems for the way the federal government operates along with a big spike in unemployment. He's about to become the most powerful non-governmental figure in US history.
I work in state government. A large percentage of our work is funded by the federal government. I’m fully expecting to not have a job a year from now. My wife works for a public health research consulting firm. Their primary clients are the CDC and Dept of Health. Her firm will likely shutter as well.
If they go through with their slashing of government workforce and turn off funding, there will be a massive economic hit to the country. Not to mention the disruption in government service people have come to expect.
Yes, and I'm sorry to hear this could affect you folks.
My wife pointed out that a lot of people voted for Trump simply because they want their grocery store bill to be lower. Their short-sighted thinking illustrates the stupidity that is rampant among MAGAs. They actually think all this is going to make their lives better. They are in for the wake-up call of their lives and it will be too late. This country is fucked.
Your wife is probably right, it doesn’t take much to sway a voter when it comes to helping their wallet. I can only assume on a day like this, Trump and his gang of crooks sit around and say holy shit, I can’t believe these idiots fell for it again. Whose idea was the dog eating story? Alright, here’s your new job for the next 4 years and we’ll enjoy 300 rounds of golf a year on me.
Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020.
Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....
2016: Clinton: 66M Trump: 63M Total: 129M
2020: Biden: 81M Trump: 74M Total: 155M
2024 (as of now) Harris: 66M Trump: 71M Total: 137M
So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.
Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times. How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?
I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote. They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time.
I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it.
I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.
Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.
No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....
"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), andshe didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."
I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.
There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.
I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.
I do generally agree with you on the sexism, but something struck me as counter. And maybe it's because the presidency is inherently different than the senate. In Michigan and WI, we have two women about to defeat two men in the senate, when Trump won the states. Do you think people perceive those jobs (pres and senator) as different?
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Inflation was the biggest driver. I think "Trans Women in Sports" was a close second with the border 3rd. Harris did a terrible job of really addressing any of those, but given the economy, I don't think the party had a chance. As Project 2025 moves into implementation with the backing of the most party-loyal federal court system in US history, some people may regret their vote. By then it will be too late. Even an optimistic Dem/lib has to recognize that the next people to experience a balanced court system have not even been born yet.
This necessary downturn Elon has mentioned will probably come from a very swift firing of a million or so federal employees. Further, I'm not a federal employee but am one of several hundred thousand likely to end up unemployed in 2025 or 2026.
We're not really going to have a functioning federal government, which is part of the appeal. Trump is no longer surrounded by so many normies/establishment (depending on your POV). It's all people that want to make a big splash against wokeness, government spending, secularism, and feminism. They don't actually care about running an efficient government. They care about getting rich and, to an extent, destroying the government. I guess their contempt for federal employees will be accepted since they're lazy government workers. But Elon's one-size-fits-all belief in slashing staff is going to cause a lot of problems for the way the federal government operates along with a big spike in unemployment. He's about to become the most powerful non-governmental figure in US history.
I work in state government. A large percentage of our work is funded by the federal government. I’m fully expecting to not have a job a year from now. My wife works for a public health research consulting firm. Their primary clients are the CDC and Dept of Health. Her firm will likely shutter as well.
If they go through with their slashing of government workforce and turn off funding, there will be a massive economic hit to the country. Not to mention the disruption in government service people have come to expect.
Yes, and I'm sorry to hear this could affect you folks.
My wife pointed out that a lot of people voted for Trump simply because they want their grocery store bill to be lower. Their short-sighted thinking illustrates the stupidity that is rampant among MAGAs. They actually think all this is going to make their lives better. They are in for the wake-up call of their lives and it will be too late. This country is fucked.
Your wife is probably right, it doesn’t take much to sway a voter when it comes to helping their wallet. I can only assume on a day like this, Trump and his gang of crooks sit around and say holy shit, I can’t believe these idiots fell for it again. Whose idea was the dog eating story? Alright, here’s your new job for the next 4 years and we’ll enjoy 300 rounds of golf a year on me.
Agreed, Hawk. You can see it in the smug look on his face in the latest photos. It's a classic "laughing all the way to the bank" scenario.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Inflation was the biggest driver. I think "Trans Women in Sports" was a close second with the border 3rd. Harris did a terrible job of really addressing any of those, but given the economy, I don't think the party had a chance. As Project 2025 moves into implementation with the backing of the most party-loyal federal court system in US history, some people may regret their vote. By then it will be too late. Even an optimistic Dem/lib has to recognize that the next people to experience a balanced court system have not even been born yet.
This necessary downturn Elon has mentioned will probably come from a very swift firing of a million or so federal employees. Further, I'm not a federal employee but am one of several hundred thousand likely to end up unemployed in 2025 or 2026.
We're not really going to have a functioning federal government, which is part of the appeal. Trump is no longer surrounded by so many normies/establishment (depending on your POV). It's all people that want to make a big splash against wokeness, government spending, secularism, and feminism. They don't actually care about running an efficient government. They care about getting rich and, to an extent, destroying the government. I guess their contempt for federal employees will be accepted since they're lazy government workers. But Elon's one-size-fits-all belief in slashing staff is going to cause a lot of problems for the way the federal government operates along with a big spike in unemployment. He's about to become the most powerful non-governmental figure in US history.
I work in state government. A large percentage of our work is funded by the federal government. I’m fully expecting to not have a job a year from now. My wife works for a public health research consulting firm. Their primary clients are the CDC and Dept of Health. Her firm will likely shutter as well.
If they go through with their slashing of government workforce and turn off funding, there will be a massive economic hit to the country. Not to mention the disruption in government service people have come to expect.
Yes, and I'm sorry to hear this could affect you folks.
My wife pointed out that a lot of people voted for Trump simply because they want their grocery store bill to be lower. Their short-sighted thinking illustrates the stupidity that is rampant among MAGAs. They actually think all this is going to make their lives better. They are in for the wake-up call of their lives and it will be too late. This country is fucked.
Your wife is probably right, it doesn’t take much to sway a voter when it comes to helping their wallet. I can only assume on a day like this, Trump and his gang of crooks sit around and say holy shit, I can’t believe these idiots fell for it again. Whose idea was the dog eating story? Alright, here’s your new job for the next 4 years and we’ll enjoy 300 rounds of golf a year on me.
Agreed, Hawk. You can see it in the smug look on his face in the latest photos. It's a classic "laughing all the way to the bank" scenario.
exactly...his golf courses probably only make money when he's POTUS due to all the room and board that he charges the secret service EVERY FUCKING WEEKEND
the charges that he originally said wouldn't happen
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Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020.
Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....
2016: Clinton: 66M Trump: 63M Total: 129M
2020: Biden: 81M Trump: 74M Total: 155M
2024 (as of now) Harris: 66M Trump: 71M Total: 137M
So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.
Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times. How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?
I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote. They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time.
I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it.
I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.
Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.
No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....
"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), andshe didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."
I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.
There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.
I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.
I do generally agree with you on the sexism, but something struck me as counter. And maybe it's because the presidency is inherently different than the senate. In Michigan and WI, we have two women about to defeat two men in the senate, when Trump won the states. Do you think people perceive those jobs (pres and senator) as different?
I do think the presidency is different. I think with 100 senators, people that do not like the idea of a woman president are ok sending a woman to 0.5% of the senate.
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brianlux
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Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020.
Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....
2016: Clinton: 66M Trump: 63M Total: 129M
2020: Biden: 81M Trump: 74M Total: 155M
2024 (as of now) Harris: 66M Trump: 71M Total: 137M
So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.
Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times. How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?
I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote. They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time.
I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it.
I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.
Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.
No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....
"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), andshe didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."
I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.
There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.
I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.
No, whatever Mahomes comment you're talking about wasn't me. But yes, we do see if differently. While I do think sexism exists, I don't think it's why Clinton or Harris lost. Clinton lost by underestimating the Trump sideshow. And Harris lost because of the reasons I've already listed. But if women have it so tough, here's an idea, don't just install one as a candidate for president without a vote. Because as was the case in 2020, the democratic electorate would not have chosen Harris.
Ok, sorry for the confusion on that.
I think the dems did the best with what they had in the 90 days to do it. Yes, they should have forced Joe out last year, but under the circumstances, Harris was the most obvious choice as current VP and I highly doubt anyone else would have been able to coalesce the party like she did in that short of time. Dems are notorious for shooting themselves in the foot and having it come back to bite them, while R's have no accountability. Also, how fucked up that 70+ million still voted for Trump. No matter what anyone thinks of Harris, she's somebody who would have governed for all people, honored the rule of law and not used her position in the WH to enrich herself or her family for personal gain. You can't say any of that about Trump.
It's a hopeless situation...
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Whoa...brianlux on fire handing out blocks like Oprah hands out gifts!!! You get a car and you get a car and you get.... I have 1 person on my list. Was there once, took them off, had to put them back on. I don't wanna get banned.
Just think for a minute. If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President. Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029. How does that feel?
lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate?
Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.
We swamped the vote. To big to rig.
Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020.
Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....
2016: Clinton: 66M Trump: 63M Total: 129M
2020: Biden: 81M Trump: 74M Total: 155M
2024 (as of now) Harris: 66M Trump: 71M Total: 137M
So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.
Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times. How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?
I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote. They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time.
I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it.
I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.
Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.
No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....
"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), andshe didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."
I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.
There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.
I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.
I do generally agree with you on the sexism, but something struck me as counter. And maybe it's because the presidency is inherently different than the senate. In Michigan and WI, we have two women about to defeat two men in the senate, when Trump won the states. Do you think people perceive those jobs (pres and senator) as different?
I do think the presidency is different. I think with 100 senators, people that do not like the idea of a woman president are ok sending a woman to 0.5% of the senate.
Yeah, that's my take on it too. To be the one clear person at the top as opposed to one voice among 100 or 400+ or even just 9 is much different. There's other people in place to help make the decisions. I also think perceived sex appeal would allow a woman to gain traction with conservatives more too.
It's a hopeless situation...
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Whoa...brianlux on fire handing out blocks like Oprah hands out gifts!!! You get a car and you get a car and you get.... I have 1 person on my list. Was there once, took them off, had to put them back on. I don't wanna get banned.
Not wanting to get banned is one of the reasons why I have a growing ignore list. I won't wast my time arguing with fools on the internet, and they having nothing to say worth my time reading.
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Whoa...brianlux on fire handing out blocks like Oprah hands out gifts!!! You get a car and you get a car and you get.... I have 1 person on my list. Was there once, took them off, had to put them back on. I don't wanna get banned.
Not wanting to get banned is one of the reasons why I have a growing ignore list. I won't wast my time arguing with fools on the internet, and they having nothing to say worth my time reading.
Brian - you are a good dude and clearly care about others beside yourself. I saw your other thread about democracy being lost and other comments in this thread.
Respectfully, what happened yesterday was part of the democratic process. Trump was elected. Senators were elected. Representatives were elected. All by a legit voting process. Politicians campaigned. Outlined their positions. People voted. Nothing that happened yesterday was against democracy.
In 2026, there will be another election. In 2028 a new President will be elected.
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"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), and she didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."
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There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.
I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.
If they go through with their slashing of government workforce and turn off funding, there will be a massive economic hit to the country. Not to mention the disruption in government service people have come to expect.
i responded to the first comment that climate change isn’t man made because it’s been around long before man. I said it’s true that’s it’s been around before man, but man has drastically accelerated the process. So calling it’s been around a long time isn’t a defense against climate change.
I think we’re saying the same thing.
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
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-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
in 2016 his cabinet was full of people who actually knew what they were doing (betsy and a few others notwithstanding)Now? Steve Bannon will probably be secretary of defence and Kyle Rittenhouse will be the new immigration “czar”. Hulk Hogan will be his press secretary. “Next question? Brotherrrrr?”.
-EV 8/14/93
Agreed, Hawk. You can see it in the smug look on his face in the latest photos. It's a classic "laughing all the way to the bank" scenario.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
the charges that he originally said wouldn't happen
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin
I support your choice, and I do mine.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I think the dems did the best with what they had in the 90 days to do it. Yes, they should have forced Joe out last year, but under the circumstances, Harris was the most obvious choice as current VP and I highly doubt anyone else would have been able to coalesce the party like she did in that short of time. Dems are notorious for shooting themselves in the foot and having it come back to bite them, while R's have no accountability. Also, how fucked up that 70+ million still voted for Trump. No matter what anyone thinks of Harris, she's somebody who would have governed for all people, honored the rule of law and not used her position in the WH to enrich herself or her family for personal gain. You can't say any of that about Trump.
Think again. Adios.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I have 1 person on my list. Was there once, took them off, had to put them back on. I don't wanna get banned.
Not wanting to get banned is one of the reasons why I have a growing ignore list. I won't wast my time arguing with fools on the internet, and they having nothing to say worth my time reading.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Respectfully, what happened yesterday was part of the democratic process. Trump was elected. Senators were elected. Representatives were elected. All by a legit voting process. Politicians campaigned. Outlined their positions. People voted. Nothing that happened yesterday was against democracy.