2024 US Election - Predictions

Philip_Ireland

Spiritual_Chaos

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

Gern Blansten

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Was listening to Morning Joe a bit this morning.  While the economic #'s are pretty good, the economic #'s people feel every day at the grocery store are not.  And it's real.  It's disappointing to me how voters rarely go past the initial layer of any issue....but it is the cas ein many situations.  And the prices of goods (especially food) had a lot to do with Trump's election it seems.  These people aren't ignorant...but they sure are ignoring a lot of flashing red warning signs just to vote out the party that made Eggs expensive.

Merkin Baller

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

People who consume RW media will never be less distressed.

The decades long psyop on the American public is coming to fruition. 

Merkin Baller

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Was listening to Morning Joe a bit this morning.  While the economic #'s are pretty good, the economic #'s people feel every day at the grocery store are not.  And it's real.  It's disappointing to me how voters rarely go past the initial layer of any issue....but it is the cas ein many situations.  And the prices of goods (especially food) had a lot to do with Trump's election it seems.  These people aren't ignorant...but they sure are ignoring a lot of flashing red warning signs just to vote out the party that made Eggs expensive.

Corporate greed is why eggs cost so much; Harris wanted to go after price gouging, but it was labeled as communism. (which it isn't)

Ignorance played a HUGE role in this. Not the only role, but a big one. 

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

If you voted for POOTWH, there’s something seriously wrong with your moral compass. Own it. Suckers.

From Letter From an American:

Many voters who were using their vote to make an economic statement are likely going to be surprised to discover what they have actually voted for. In his victory speech, Trump said the American people had given him an “unprecedented and powerful mandate.” 

White nationalist Nick Fuentes posted, “Your body, my choice. Forever,” and gloated that men will now legally control women’s bodies. His post got at least 22,000 “likes.” Right-wing influencer Benny Johnson, previously funded by Russia, posted: “It is my honor to inform you that Project 2025 was real the whole time.” 

Today, Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Trump would launch the “largest mass deportation operation” of undocumented immigrants, and the stock in private prison companies GEO Group and CoreCivic  jumped 41% and 29%, respectively. Those jumps were part of a bigger overall jump: the Dow Jones Industrial Average moved up 1,508 points in what Washington Post economic columnist Heather Long said was the largest post-election jump in more than 100 years. 

As for the lower prices Trump voters wanted, Kate Gibson of CBS today noted that on Monday, the National Retail Federation said that Trump’s proposed tariffs will cost American consumers between $46 billion and $78 billion a year as clothing, toys, furniture, appliances, and footwear all become more expensive. A $50 pair of running shoes, Gibson said, would retail for $59 to $64 under the new tariffs.

U.S. retailers are already preparing to raise prices of items from foreign suppliers, passing to consumers the cost of any future tariffs. 

Interesting that those private prisons stock jumped again.  I thought Biden didn't renew contracts w them?

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Was listening to Morning Joe a bit this morning.  While the economic #'s are pretty good, the economic #'s people feel every day at the grocery store are not.  And it's real.  It's disappointing to me how voters rarely go past the initial layer of any issue....but it is the cas ein many situations.  And the prices of goods (especially food) had a lot to do with Trump's election it seems.  These people aren't ignorant...but they sure are ignoring a lot of flashing red warning signs just to vote out the party that made Eggs expensive.

Which is ignorance. The whole "I voted for trump because it just seemed like things were better" is ignorant as hell. Makes no sense. Things were NOT better.

I do get your comment about grocery prices...yes, people (especially lower income) are heavily influenced by that. And I also understand that if the GOP was in power the dems would likely use the same argument against them even though inflation is global, etc.

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Was listening to Morning Joe a bit this morning.  While the economic #'s are pretty good, the economic #'s people feel every day at the grocery store are not.  And it's real.  It's disappointing to me how voters rarely go past the initial layer of any issue....but it is the cas ein many situations.  And the prices of goods (especially food) had a lot to do with Trump's election it seems.  These people aren't ignorant...but they sure are ignoring a lot of flashing red warning signs just to vote out the party that made Eggs expensive.

Which is ignorance. The whole "I voted for trump because it just seemed like things were better" is ignorant as hell. Makes no sense. Things were NOT better.

Perhaps, but I was referring to Trump personally...the fact he is a felon wannabe dictator that is a adulterer racist sexist mentally diminishing moron.

Gern Blansten

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Was listening to Morning Joe a bit this morning.  While the economic #'s are pretty good, the economic #'s people feel every day at the grocery store are not.  And it's real.  It's disappointing to me how voters rarely go past the initial layer of any issue....but it is the cas ein many situations.  And the prices of goods (especially food) had a lot to do with Trump's election it seems.  These people aren't ignorant...but they sure are ignoring a lot of flashing red warning signs just to vote out the party that made Eggs expensive.

Which is ignorance. The whole "I voted for trump because it just seemed like things were better" is ignorant as hell. Makes no sense. Things were NOT better.

Perhaps, but I was referring to Trump personally...the fact he is a felon wannabe dictator that is a adulterer racist sexist mentally diminishing moron.

I'm sure you fell the same but I can't even describe the feeling of knowing millions of people are ok with his baggage. My two younger daughters are just blown away by how that can be overlooked by voters let alone the party itself.

The GOP party is to blame. All for power. Trump is just a fucking actor...and he's very good, I'll give him that. He knows absolutely nothing about policy. It's all performance. 

Merkin Baller

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Was listening to Morning Joe a bit this morning.  While the economic #'s are pretty good, the economic #'s people feel every day at the grocery store are not.  And it's real.  It's disappointing to me how voters rarely go past the initial layer of any issue....but it is the cas ein many situations.  And the prices of goods (especially food) had a lot to do with Trump's election it seems.  These people aren't ignorant...but they sure are ignoring a lot of flashing red warning signs just to vote out the party that made Eggs expensive.

Which is ignorance. The whole "I voted for trump because it just seemed like things were better" is ignorant as hell. Makes no sense. Things were NOT better.

Perhaps, but I was referring to Trump personally...the fact he is a felon wannabe dictator that is a adulterer racist sexist mentally diminishing moron.

I'm sure you fell the same but I can't even describe the feeling of knowing millions of people are ok with his baggage. My two younger daughters are just blown away by how that can be overlooked by voters let alone the party itself.

The GOP party is to blame. All for power. Trump is just a fucking actor...and he's very good, I'll give him that. He knows absolutely nothing about policy. It's all performance. 

I think this cuts to the heart of it... I've found that the last 4 years have been nice in that we aren't waking up every morning wondering "what did that asshole do now?", but I'm realizing I'm in the minority. 

Americans don't want boredom, they want drama. They want a president who makes funny speeches that make them laugh. They want Hulk Hogan ripping his shirt off... they want to be entertained. 

OnWis97

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Was listening to Morning Joe a bit this morning.  While the economic #'s are pretty good, the economic #'s people feel every day at the grocery store are not.  And it's real.  It's disappointing to me how voters rarely go past the initial layer of any issue....but it is the cas ein many situations.  And the prices of goods (especially food) had a lot to do with Trump's election it seems.  These people aren't ignorant...but they sure are ignoring a lot of flashing red warning signs just to vote out the party that made Eggs expensive.

Don't worry. In February, X will be full of four-bag hauls for $42.50 that were $204.65 just four months ago!

Perception is reality.

Gern Blansten

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Was listening to Morning Joe a bit this morning.  While the economic #'s are pretty good, the economic #'s people feel every day at the grocery store are not.  And it's real.  It's disappointing to me how voters rarely go past the initial layer of any issue....but it is the cas ein many situations.  And the prices of goods (especially food) had a lot to do with Trump's election it seems.  These people aren't ignorant...but they sure are ignoring a lot of flashing red warning signs just to vote out the party that made Eggs expensive.

Which is ignorance. The whole "I voted for trump because it just seemed like things were better" is ignorant as hell. Makes no sense. Things were NOT better.

Perhaps, but I was referring to Trump personally...the fact he is a felon wannabe dictator that is a adulterer racist sexist mentally diminishing moron.

I'm sure you fell the same but I can't even describe the feeling of knowing millions of people are ok with his baggage. My two younger daughters are just blown away by how that can be overlooked by voters let alone the party itself.

The GOP party is to blame. All for power. Trump is just a fucking actor...and he's very good, I'll give him that. He knows absolutely nothing about policy. It's all performance. 

I think this cuts to the heart of it... I've found that the last 4 years have been nice in that we aren't waking up every morning wondering "what did that asshole do now?", but I'm realizing I'm in the minority. 

Americans don't want boredom, they want drama. They want a president who makes funny speeches that make them laugh. They want Hulk Hogan ripping his shirt off... they want to be entertained. 

It's Idiocracy the movie coming to life

Merkin Baller

Gern Blansten said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Was listening to Morning Joe a bit this morning.  While the economic #'s are pretty good, the economic #'s people feel every day at the grocery store are not.  And it's real.  It's disappointing to me how voters rarely go past the initial layer of any issue....but it is the cas ein many situations.  And the prices of goods (especially food) had a lot to do with Trump's election it seems.  These people aren't ignorant...but they sure are ignoring a lot of flashing red warning signs just to vote out the party that made Eggs expensive.

Which is ignorance. The whole "I voted for trump because it just seemed like things were better" is ignorant as hell. Makes no sense. Things were NOT better.

Perhaps, but I was referring to Trump personally...the fact he is a felon wannabe dictator that is a adulterer racist sexist mentally diminishing moron.

I'm sure you fell the same but I can't even describe the feeling of knowing millions of people are ok with his baggage. My two younger daughters are just blown away by how that can be overlooked by voters let alone the party itself.

The GOP party is to blame. All for power. Trump is just a fucking actor...and he's very good, I'll give him that. He knows absolutely nothing about policy. It's all performance. 

I think this cuts to the heart of it... I've found that the last 4 years have been nice in that we aren't waking up every morning wondering "what did that asshole do now?", but I'm realizing I'm in the minority. 

Americans don't want boredom, they want drama. They want a president who makes funny speeches that make them laugh. They want Hulk Hogan ripping his shirt off... they want to be entertained. 

It's Idiocracy the movie coming to life

Agreed.

I don't believe 100% of trump voters are racist or misogynistic (although his blatant racism and misogyny weren't deal breakers for them, so voting for him IS a tacit approval of that behavior) but a vote for trump based on the economy is, by definition, ignorance, both to the nature of our capitalist society and what has happened around the globe these last few years. 

ComeToTX

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Was listening to Morning Joe a bit this morning.  While the economic #'s are pretty good, the economic #'s people feel every day at the grocery store are not.  And it's real.  It's disappointing to me how voters rarely go past the initial layer of any issue....but it is the cas ein many situations.  And the prices of goods (especially food) had a lot to do with Trump's election it seems.  These people aren't ignorant...but they sure are ignoring a lot of flashing red warning signs just to vote out the party that made Eggs expensive.

Which is ignorance. The whole "I voted for trump because it just seemed like things were better" is ignorant as hell. Makes no sense. Things were NOT better.

Perhaps, but I was referring to Trump personally...the fact he is a felon wannabe dictator that is a adulterer racist sexist mentally diminishing moron.

I'm sure you fell the same but I can't even describe the feeling of knowing millions of people are ok with his baggage. My two younger daughters are just blown away by how that can be overlooked by voters let alone the party itself.

The GOP party is to blame. All for power. Trump is just a fucking actor...and he's very good, I'll give him that. He knows absolutely nothing about policy. It's all performance. 

I think this cuts to the heart of it... I've found that the last 4 years have been nice in that we aren't waking up every morning wondering "what did that asshole do now?", but I'm realizing I'm in the minority. 

Americans don't want boredom, they want drama. They want a president who makes funny speeches that make them laugh. They want Hulk Hogan ripping his shirt off... they want to be entertained. 

Yep. 40+ years of defunding schools paid off big time. 

mcgruff10

Guys the economy sucks, everything costs more than four years ago. I can't leave the grocery store without spending $300; it was no where near that four years ago.   The buck stops somewhere and unfortunately Harris was attached to it.  

Gern Blansten

ComeToTX said:

Merkin Baller said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Was listening to Morning Joe a bit this morning.  While the economic #'s are pretty good, the economic #'s people feel every day at the grocery store are not.  And it's real.  It's disappointing to me how voters rarely go past the initial layer of any issue....but it is the cas ein many situations.  And the prices of goods (especially food) had a lot to do with Trump's election it seems.  These people aren't ignorant...but they sure are ignoring a lot of flashing red warning signs just to vote out the party that made Eggs expensive.

Which is ignorance. The whole "I voted for trump because it just seemed like things were better" is ignorant as hell. Makes no sense. Things were NOT better.

Perhaps, but I was referring to Trump personally...the fact he is a felon wannabe dictator that is a adulterer racist sexist mentally diminishing moron.

I'm sure you fell the same but I can't even describe the feeling of knowing millions of people are ok with his baggage. My two younger daughters are just blown away by how that can be overlooked by voters let alone the party itself.

The GOP party is to blame. All for power. Trump is just a fucking actor...and he's very good, I'll give him that. He knows absolutely nothing about policy. It's all performance. 

I think this cuts to the heart of it... I've found that the last 4 years have been nice in that we aren't waking up every morning wondering "what did that asshole do now?", but I'm realizing I'm in the minority. 

Americans don't want boredom, they want drama. They want a president who makes funny speeches that make them laugh. They want Hulk Hogan ripping his shirt off... they want to be entertained. 

Yep. 40+ years of defunding schools paid off big time. 

yes...and then blaming schools for less than great performance given the circumstances

I've been of the opinion that we need to put a massive amount of money to education. 

Indiana is generally run by republicans. They are really good at refunding tax surpluses rather than utilizing the money toward roads or schools. All so that when they run for office again they can brag about that $100 surplus refund you received.

It's always funny to me to enter Indiana from OH, KY or IL and immediately see the difference in our roads and medians. Roads suck and the medians are weed ridden and overgrown.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Depends on how you measure the economy. 
The perception is bad because car prices are up 25%. Grocery prices are way up. You're going to pay 2-3 times the mortgage if you buy a home today compared to 5 years ago. Insurance costs have skyrocketed.
There are a lot of people who are financially worse of today than they were 5 years ago. 
You can argue who is and is not responsible, but I think downplaying the effects hurt.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Depends on how you measure the economy. 
The perception is bad because car prices are up 25%. Grocery prices are way up. You're going to pay 2-3 times the mortgage if you buy a home today compared to 5 years ago. Insurance costs have skyrocketed.
There are a lot of people who are financially worse of today than they were 5 years ago. 
You can argue who is and is not responsible, but I think downplaying the effects hurt.

maybe...or at least not spelling out why these things occurred. 

These are the topics that I was seeing constantly in my tiktok feed...just bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false we get trump as the result.

It's very concerning to me.

Gern Blansten

LOL...I just heard a clip of trump saying that he would end inflation on day 1...I can't take it

Hawk123

Gern Blansten said:

LOL...I just heard a clip of trump saying that he would end inflation on day 1...I can't take it

That’s the problem, people believe it unfortunately. It’s gonna be an eye opening 4 years

Gern Blansten

Hawk123 said:

Gern Blansten said:

LOL...I just heard a clip of trump saying that he would end inflation on day 1...I can't take it

That’s the problem, people believe it unfortunately. It’s gonna be an eye opening 4 years

Will it? They didn't give a shit last time. That's what bothers me the most. I keep hearing people say "just wait until he doesn't deliver" but that doesn't matter. They don't care.

Spiritual_Chaos

Hawk123 said:

Gern Blansten said:

LOL...I just heard a clip of trump saying that he would end inflation on day 1...I can't take it

That’s the problem, people believe it unfortunately. It’s gonna be an eye opening 4 years

Don't think it will. They will swallow any reason he gives for it not happening. Suddenly inflation not being tied to a single nation will be accepted. While it wasn't (if they understood that) under Biden.

Hawk123

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hawk123 said:

Gern Blansten said:

LOL...I just heard a clip of trump saying that he would end inflation on day 1...I can't take it

That’s the problem, people believe it unfortunately. It’s gonna be an eye opening 4 years

Don't think it will. They will swallow any reason he gives for it not happening. Suddenly inflation not being tied to a single nation will be accepted. While it wasn't (if they understood that) under Biden.

You're probably right, again, because a lot of people believe everything he says. 

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Depends on how you measure the economy. 
The perception is bad because car prices are up 25%. Grocery prices are way up. You're going to pay 2-3 times the mortgage if you buy a home today compared to 5 years ago. Insurance costs have skyrocketed.
There are a lot of people who are financially worse of today than they were 5 years ago. 
You can argue who is and is not responsible, but I think downplaying the effects hurt.

maybe...or at least not spelling out why these things occurred. 

These are the topics that I was seeing constantly in my tiktok feed...just bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false we get trump as the result.

It's very concerning to me.

But they aren't normal. And calming they are is part of the downplaying I was talking about. 
If we didn't already own a home prior to 2019, I don't think I could ever afford one in my lifetime. I don't know how younger couples are going to any time soon. In many parts of the country the average home, with insurance, taxes, higher interest rates, etc, is going to be more than the entire paycheck of a new teacher. So a young couple where both are teachers, or both have similar salaries, it will take the entire paycheck of one and a portion of the other to just pay their mortgage. 
New car prices rises 25% in 5 years isn't normal. Which has also created a domino effect of cars lasting longer on the road, meaning more repairs and higher maintenance costs and increasing the cost of used cars.
Grocery prices rising nearly 30% in 5 years is not normal. 
None of these things are things that "normally happen in our economy." And calming it is is just downplaying it.
Now, like I said, You can argue the causes. And I would agree covid is a huge factor. But just telling people it's not as bad as you think it is over and over again probably cost them the election. 

Merkin Baller

There's no single reason why Harris lost this campaign, despite what all the electioneering experts here & elsewhere claim. 

It was a combination of factors, including, yes, disinformation and ignorance. 

There are plenty of things democrats could and should have done differently, but in the end, people wanted trump. This is what America wants, this is who we are.  

OnWis97

mcgruff10 said:

Guys the economy sucks, everything costs more than four years ago. I can't leave the grocery store without spending $300; it was no where near that four years ago.   The buck stops somewhere and unfortunately Harris was attached to it.  

That's why a proper nomination process could have helped...had someone not connected to the current administration won.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Gern Blansten said:

I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.

How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.

It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.

Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s

At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.

And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.

When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.

Depends on how you measure the economy. 
The perception is bad because car prices are up 25%. Grocery prices are way up. You're going to pay 2-3 times the mortgage if you buy a home today compared to 5 years ago. Insurance costs have skyrocketed.
There are a lot of people who are financially worse of today than they were 5 years ago. 
You can argue who is and is not responsible, but I think downplaying the effects hurt.

maybe...or at least not spelling out why these things occurred. 

These are the topics that I was seeing constantly in my tiktok feed...just bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false we get trump as the result.

It's very concerning to me.

But they aren't normal. And calming they are is part of the downplaying I was talking about. 
If we didn't already own a home prior to 2019, I don't think I could ever afford one in my lifetime. I don't know how younger couples are going to any time soon. In many parts of the country the average home, with insurance, taxes, higher interest rates, etc, is going to be more than the entire paycheck of a new teacher. So a young couple where both are teachers, or both have similar salaries, it will take the entire paycheck of one and a portion of the other to just pay their mortgage. 
New car prices rises 25% in 5 years isn't normal. Which has also created a domino effect of cars lasting longer on the road, meaning more repairs and higher maintenance costs and increasing the cost of used cars.
Grocery prices rising nearly 30% in 5 years is not normal. 
None of these things are things that "normally happen in our economy." And calming it is is just downplaying it.
Now, like I said, You can argue the causes. And I would agree covid is a huge factor. But just telling people it's not as bad as you think it is over and over again probably cost them the election. 

This reads like the memes I see though. A friend had posted a list of groceries with prices now vs four years ago....he had milk at $5/gallon now and $2.50 then. Someone commented by screenshotting a gallon of milk at WalMart for $2.99 current price.

Spiritual_Chaos

OnWis97 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Guys the economy sucks, everything costs more than four years ago. I can't leave the grocery store without spending $300; it was no where near that four years ago.   The buck stops somewhere and unfortunately Harris was attached to it.  

That's why a proper nomination process could have helped...had someone not connected to the current administration won.

Especially when there was a stain of Biden trying to stay on (with Kamala supporting him) instead of pro-actively addressing leaving (in time). Less credibility. 

mcgruff10

OnWis97 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Guys the economy sucks, everything costs more than four years ago. I can't leave the grocery store without spending $300; it was no where near that four years ago.   The buck stops somewhere and unfortunately Harris was attached to it.  

That's why a proper nomination process could have helped...had someone not connected to the current administration won.

Totally agree.