I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.
How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.
It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.
Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s
At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.
And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.
When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.
Depends on how you measure the economy. The perception is bad because car prices are up 25%. Grocery prices are way up. You're going to pay 2-3 times the mortgage if you buy a home today compared to 5 years ago. Insurance costs have skyrocketed. There are a lot of people who are financially worse of today than they were 5 years ago. You can argue who is and is not responsible, but I think downplaying the effects hurt.
maybe...or at least not spelling out why these things occurred.
These are the topics that I was seeing constantly in my tiktok feed...just bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false we get trump as the result.
It's very concerning to me.
But they aren't normal. And calming they are is part of the downplaying I was talking about. If we didn't already own a home prior to 2019, I don't think I could ever afford one in my lifetime. I don't know how younger couples are going to any time soon. In many parts of the country the average home, with insurance, taxes, higher interest rates, etc, is going to be more than the entire paycheck of a new teacher. So a young couple where both are teachers, or both have similar salaries, it will take the entire paycheck of one and a portion of the other to just pay their mortgage. New car prices rises 25% in 5 years isn't normal. Which has also created a domino effect of cars lasting longer on the road, meaning more repairs and higher maintenance costs and increasing the cost of used cars. Grocery prices rising nearly 30% in 5 years is not normal. None of these things are things that "normally happen in our economy." And calming it is is just downplaying it. Now, like I said, You can argue the causes. And I would agree covid is a huge factor. But just telling people it's not as bad as you think it is over and over again probably cost them the election.
This reads like the memes I see though. A friend had posted a list of groceries with prices now vs four years ago....he had milk at $5/gallon now and $2.50 then. Someone commented by screenshotting a gallon of milk at WalMart for $2.99 current price.
One, that's not very accurate. Products are regional and even vary store to store, so taking a comment from one meme is pretty meaningless. It may be 2.99 now, and 5 years ago $2.19 at that same location. I don't know how you can argue against high grocery prices. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/price-tracker/ According to CBS, average milk price went from $3.10 to $4.02. Groceries are up close to 30% Same with cars and many other things.
What was trump's proposal for helping with the high cost of living?
I never said he had one. The conversation was about inflation in general and how the right hyped up the inflation to get voters scared. Inflation is real, and a lot worse than it usually is. Not sure why people are denying it. A mistake the left made was not making as big of a deal about inflation as the right did and not addressing it.
no one is denying inflation...I was pointing out the idiocy of stating milk is now $5 when it isn't. Yes if you go to a local Speedway to buy a gallon of milk it might be $5 for the convenience.
Once again, I'm reminded of a conversation with my sister in law. She was bitching about eggs being $4 or something but she was at SPEEDWAY. The day after that conversation my wife and I were at Meijer and I bought an 18 pack of eggs for like $2 or something.
Yes there was inflation. GLOBALLY
You said "When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful" and "bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false"
I interpreted those statements as saying inflation isn't as bad as people claim it is and we've experienced normal inflation. Both of which I disagree with. I do agree it is a global issue, and many of the factors are not the result of Biden/Harris. But your comments came across as that inflation was just a gas lighting attempt from the right and everything is fine.
Who would have thought that the people rejected the war mongering NEOCONS that the Democratic party has become. Not to mention all the COVID bullshit the left put us through. The left has become everything I was brought up to hate in the 90's. Gen X spoke in this election.
Checking to see which war the NEOCON D's started. As far as I can tell, it's still only GOP led admin that started NEOCON wars.
I more think it's funny how the GOP has literally exited very principle they held for 70 years, other than cultural conservatism. And even that one is just cynical. Trump is absolutely pro-choice.
My perception of these comments by conservatives is the aid we are providing to Ukraine and Israel in their wars. I fully expect Trump to abandon Ukraine, but he will for sure continue support for Israel and let Netanyahu do what he wants. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the conservative justification for this.
Anyway, this is why I hated the Cheney endorsements and courting of Liz with Harris. It was clear those voting for Trump took that as the dems being the new war hawks. Based on the comments I keep seeing about lifelong dems finally embracing Trump, I think a lot of that is due to Ukraine and Israel support, even though we don't have troops on the ground, we are involved as a proxy. They don't want us involved at all. No matter the consequence of Russian control and steamrolling Ukraine or Israel slaughtering Palestinians to achieve their goals. Trump and his supporters are nationalists and it will be horrifying to see it play out.
Edit: I'd like to add that this is why I'm pissed. There were missteps in the Harris campaign on how concerns like these could have been addressed, but the lack of commitment to what that meant allowed people to flop on the Trump bandwagon of grievances and despair. It's insane that people chose a dictator with their protest vote though.
My perception of these comments by conservatives is the aid we are providing to Ukraine and Israel in their wars. I fully expect Trump to abandon Ukraine, but he will for sure continue support for Israel and let Netanyahu do what he wants. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the conservative justification for this.
Anyway, this is why I hated the Cheney endorsements and courting of Liz with Harris. It was clear those voting for Trump took that as the dems being the new war hawks. Based on the comments I keep seeing about lifelong dems finally embracing Trump, I think a lot of that is due to Ukraine and Israel support, even though we don't have troops on the ground, we are involved as a proxy. They don't want us involved at all. No matter the consequence of Russian control and steamrolling Ukraine or Israel slaughtering Palestinians to achieve their goals. Trump and his supporters are nationalists and it will be horrifying to see it play out.
Edit: I'd like to add that this is why I'm pissed. There were missteps in the Harris campaign on how concerns like these could have been addressed, but the lack of commitment to what that meant allowed people to flop on the Trump bandwagon of grievances and despair. It's insane that people chose a dictator with their protest vote though.
Pretty much nailed it for me to vote Trump. A lot of other Gen X Dems were on the same page.
so why? Because we support Ukraine over Russia and you don't like that? That we support Israel and trump does as well...and you don't like that?
You can call yourself a "Gen X Dem" but no one believes you. That's ridiculous.
I believe it because I know people saying the same things. I don't think the party took it seriously enough and assumed people wouldn't vote for a dictator, but they did. The rumblings have been there. I voiced my displeasure with the Cheney endorsements here and people were like, we'll take anybody we can get. That was as stupid as Trump not denouncing his white supremacist supporters. I'm just not that self absorbed or ignorant to let that one endorsement affect my vote for an insane far right wet dream of an administration.
I would have never thought people would vote for a wannabe dictator, much less a convicted felon - but here we are. Clearly, most people in this country have a complete lack of empathy for others. They only care about what they think will be done for them.
He literally had a meeting with him.. You know a conversation . That's better than what any President has done with North Korea in my lifetime.
Next.
I remember conservatives upset when Obama met with Putin. I don't view open communication lines with adversarial nations as problematic unless we're praising them or giving them credibility. Things Trump has done with both Russia and North Korea. He's easily manipulated and with the Trump tapes out there, both Putin and Kim know how enamored he is with them. Weakening global stability is what I fear most outside of the disastrous national level changes. Who am I kidding, it's all concerning.
I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.
How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.
It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.
Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s
At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.
And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.
When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.
Depends on how you measure the economy. The perception is bad because car prices are up 25%. Grocery prices are way up. You're going to pay 2-3 times the mortgage if you buy a home today compared to 5 years ago. Insurance costs have skyrocketed. There are a lot of people who are financially worse of today than they were 5 years ago. You can argue who is and is not responsible, but I think downplaying the effects hurt.
maybe...or at least not spelling out why these things occurred.
These are the topics that I was seeing constantly in my tiktok feed...just bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false we get trump as the result.
It's very concerning to me.
But they aren't normal. And calming they are is part of the downplaying I was talking about. If we didn't already own a home prior to 2019, I don't think I could ever afford one in my lifetime. I don't know how younger couples are going to any time soon. In many parts of the country the average home, with insurance, taxes, higher interest rates, etc, is going to be more than the entire paycheck of a new teacher. So a young couple where both are teachers, or both have similar salaries, it will take the entire paycheck of one and a portion of the other to just pay their mortgage. New car prices rises 25% in 5 years isn't normal. Which has also created a domino effect of cars lasting longer on the road, meaning more repairs and higher maintenance costs and increasing the cost of used cars. Grocery prices rising nearly 30% in 5 years is not normal. None of these things are things that "normally happen in our economy." And calming it is is just downplaying it. Now, like I said, You can argue the causes. And I would agree covid is a huge factor. But just telling people it's not as bad as you think it is over and over again probably cost them the election.
This reads like the memes I see though. A friend had posted a list of groceries with prices now vs four years ago....he had milk at $5/gallon now and $2.50 then. Someone commented by screenshotting a gallon of milk at WalMart for $2.99 current price.
One, that's not very accurate. Products are regional and even vary store to store, so taking a comment from one meme is pretty meaningless. It may be 2.99 now, and 5 years ago $2.19 at that same location. I don't know how you can argue against high grocery prices. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/price-tracker/ According to CBS, average milk price went from $3.10 to $4.02. Groceries are up close to 30% Same with cars and many other things.
What was trump's proposal for helping with the high cost of living?
I never said he had one. The conversation was about inflation in general and how the right hyped up the inflation to get voters scared. Inflation is real, and a lot worse than it usually is. Not sure why people are denying it. A mistake the left made was not making as big of a deal about inflation as the right did and not addressing it.
no one is denying inflation...I was pointing out the idiocy of stating milk is now $5 when it isn't. Yes if you go to a local Speedway to buy a gallon of milk it might be $5 for the convenience.
Once again, I'm reminded of a conversation with my sister in law. She was bitching about eggs being $4 or something but she was at SPEEDWAY. The day after that conversation my wife and I were at Meijer and I bought an 18 pack of eggs for like $2 or something.
Yes there was inflation. GLOBALLY
You said "When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful" and "bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false"
I interpreted those statements as saying inflation isn't as bad as people claim it is and we've experienced normal inflation. Both of which I disagree with. I do agree it is a global issue, and many of the factors are not the result of Biden/Harris. But your comments came across as that inflation was just a gas lighting attempt from the right and everything is fine.
well it's definitely better...even cars are better now...there are 0% deals all over the place
No I experienced inflation first hand. I do most of the grocery shopping in my house. My comment related to people comparing apples to oranges.
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Who would have thought that the people rejected the war mongering NEOCONS that the Democratic party has become. Not to mention all the COVID bullshit the left put us through. The left has become everything I was brought up to hate in the 90's. Gen X spoke in this election.
Checking to see which war the NEOCON D's started. As far as I can tell, it's still only GOP led admin that started NEOCON wars.
I more think it's funny how the GOP has literally exited very principle they held for 70 years, other than cultural conservatism. And even that one is just cynical. Trump is absolutely pro-choice.
My perception of these comments by conservatives is the aid we are providing to Ukraine and Israel in their wars. I fully expect Trump to abandon Ukraine, but he will for sure continue support for Israel and let Netanyahu do what he wants. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the conservative justification for this.
Anyway, this is why I hated the Cheney endorsements and courting of Liz with Harris. It was clear those voting for Trump took that as the dems being the new war hawks. Based on the comments I keep seeing about lifelong dems finally embracing Trump, I think a lot of that is due to Ukraine and Israel support, even though we don't have troops on the ground, we are involved as a proxy. They don't want us involved at all. No matter the consequence of Russian control and steamrolling Ukraine or Israel slaughtering Palestinians to achieve their goals. Trump and his supporters are nationalists and it will be horrifying to see it play out.
Edit: I'd like to add that this is why I'm pissed. There were missteps in the Harris campaign on how concerns like these could have been addressed, but the lack of commitment to what that meant allowed people to flop on the Trump bandwagon of grievances and despair. It's insane that people chose a dictator with their protest vote though.
My perception of these comments by conservatives is the aid we are providing to Ukraine and Israel in their wars. I fully expect Trump to abandon Ukraine, but he will for sure continue support for Israel and let Netanyahu do what he wants. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the conservative justification for this.
Anyway, this is why I hated the Cheney endorsements and courting of Liz with Harris. It was clear those voting for Trump took that as the dems being the new war hawks. Based on the comments I keep seeing about lifelong dems finally embracing Trump, I think a lot of that is due to Ukraine and Israel support, even though we don't have troops on the ground, we are involved as a proxy. They don't want us involved at all. No matter the consequence of Russian control and steamrolling Ukraine or Israel slaughtering Palestinians to achieve their goals. Trump and his supporters are nationalists and it will be horrifying to see it play out.
Edit: I'd like to add that this is why I'm pissed. There were missteps in the Harris campaign on how concerns like these could have been addressed, but the lack of commitment to what that meant allowed people to flop on the Trump bandwagon of grievances and despair. It's insane that people chose a dictator with their protest vote though.
Pretty much nailed it for me to vote Trump. A lot of other Gen X Dems were on the same page.
so why? Because we support Ukraine over Russia and you don't like that? That we support Israel and trump does as well...and you don't like that?
You can call yourself a "Gen X Dem" but no one believes you. That's ridiculous.
I believe it because I know people saying the same things. I don't think the party took it seriously enough and assumed people wouldn't vote for a dictator, but they did. The rumblings have been there. I voiced my displeasure with the Cheney endorsements here and people were like, we'll take anybody we can get. That was as stupid as Trump not denouncing his white supremacist supporters. I'm just not that self absorbed or ignorant to let that one endorsement affect my vote for an insane far right wet dream of an administration.
Going all in on flirting with the right and republicans and pushing dick/liz cheney and talking about ”giving them a seat at the table” onviously failed.
Do you think going hard with a more clear progressive agenda instead would have made more of the 15 million people not showing up to show up?
How many republicans voted dem compared to former elecetions with this strategy? Is there data on that yet?
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Zero wars stated under Biden or Trump, correct? We started zero.
Also, I get the Cheney resentment, fuck those people, but that doesn't mean I would shoot myself in the foot and choose a dictator and upheaval of social systems created for the betterment of all people in this country. And while on that subject, you mention the Cheneys supporting Harris, what about neo nazi, white supremacists supporting Trump? Isn't that a fucking red flag to you? Good god, look at the big picture. Domestic terrorism will once again be on the rise and threaten this country and the nationalist view will leave the US out in the cold.
As for the ceasefire, maybe you weren't aware of this already so here you go.
Zero wars stated under Biden or Trump, correct? We started zero.
Also, I get the Cheney resentment, fuck those people, but that doesn't mean I would shoot myself in the foot and choose a dictator and upheaval of social systems created for the betterment of all people in this country. And while on that subject, you mention the Cheneys supporting Harris, what about neo nazi, white supremacists supporting Trump? Isn't that a fucking red flag to you? Good god, look at the big picture. Domestic terrorism will once again be on the rise and threaten this country and the nationalist view will leave the US out in the cold.
As for the ceasefire, maybe you weren't aware of this already so here you go.
Also, no ceasefire is expected until January now because no one knows what to expect with our new dictator.
What new wars were started by Trump? Biden is literally funding the war in Ukraine. Not to mention all the bomb Obama dropped on civilians.
Yes I have problems with Israel and how they are handling the situation.
Trump is not a dictator and anyone that says that has been brain washed.
Oh wait, now the bar is funding wars? Okay, so talk to me about Trump sending billions in arms to Saudi Arabia (where 9/11 hijackers were trained) that were used to commit war crimes in Yemen. You think that's better than sending arms to Ukraine who is actually protecting their freedom? Oh did you forget about that one or did that not come up on your right wing feed? Is that where you were also lied to about the Minsk agreements?
And yes, he continued arming Israel and will in the new admin as well. Nice cherry picking of your points.
This seems directionally correct to me but will certainly send leftists screeching
The guy needs to change number 5 - biological sex is not a social construct, however gender is. So, he should say that race and gender are social constructs. In anthropology this is known as ascribed status vs achieved status. Ascribed statuses are what you are born with and can't be changed. However, achieved statuses can be. While we can't change our sex, we can change our gender. That is why surgeries are no longer called sex changes, but gender reassignments. Once someone has taken on the role of the gender they choose to achieve, they should be able to access the resources available to that gender as society and culture define the gender they choose (which varies cross culturally).
This seems directionally correct to me but will certainly send leftists screeching
Other than points 1 and 2 (to a limited extent), there is not one point in here that should be subject to legislation or the political process. These are all social issues and for the gov't to put their thumb on any of them is violation of personal freedoms.
I am neither leftist or screeching. I just have this strange habit of critical thinking. None of these make sense as a platform for a political party. But if you can think of a law that ensures that "academics and non profit staffers do not occupy a unique position of virtue" without violating the Constitution, I'd love to hear it.
This seems directionally correct to me but will certainly send leftists screeching
The guy needs to change number 5 - biological sex is not a social construct, however gender is. So, he should say that race and gender are social constructs. In anthropology this is known as ascribed status vs achieved status. Ascribed statuses are what you are born with and can't be changed. However, achieved statuses can be. While we can't change our sex, we can change our gender. That is why surgeries are no longer called sex changes, but gender reassignments. Once someone has taken on the role of the gender they choose to achieve, they should be able to access the resources available to that gender as society and culture define the gender they choose (which varies cross culturally).
Guys the economy sucks, everything costs more than four years ago. I can't leave the grocery store without spending $300; it was no where near that four years ago. The buck stops somewhere and unfortunately Harris was attached to it.
did the dems in america cause my inflation too?
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Zero wars stated under Biden or Trump, correct? We started zero.
Also, I get the Cheney resentment, fuck those people, but that doesn't mean I would shoot myself in the foot and choose a dictator and upheaval of social systems created for the betterment of all people in this country. And while on that subject, you mention the Cheneys supporting Harris, what about neo nazi, white supremacists supporting Trump? Isn't that a fucking red flag to you? Good god, look at the big picture. Domestic terrorism will once again be on the rise and threaten this country and the nationalist view will leave the US out in the cold.
As for the ceasefire, maybe you weren't aware of this already so here you go.
Also, no ceasefire is expected until January now because no one knows what to expect with our new dictator.
What new wars were started by Trump? Biden is literally funding the war in Ukraine. Not to mention all the bomb Obama dropped on civilians.
Yes I have problems with Israel and how they are handling the situation.
Trump is not a dictator and anyone that says that has been brain washed.
Oh wait, now the bar is funding wars? Okay, so talk to me about Trump sending billions in arms to Saudi Arabia (where 9/11 hijackers were trained) that were used to commit war crimes in Yemen. You think that's better than sending arms to Ukraine who is actually protecting their freedom? Oh did you forget about that one or did that not come up on your right wing feed? Is that where you were also lied to about the Minsk agreements?
And yes, he continued arming Israel and will in the new admin as well. Nice cherry picking of your points.
Hard truths the Democrats are not the party of common sense and the people spoke. Better luck next time.
I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.
How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.
It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.
Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s
At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.
And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.
When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.
Depends on how you measure the economy. The perception is bad because car prices are up 25%. Grocery prices are way up. You're going to pay 2-3 times the mortgage if you buy a home today compared to 5 years ago. Insurance costs have skyrocketed. There are a lot of people who are financially worse of today than they were 5 years ago. You can argue who is and is not responsible, but I think downplaying the effects hurt.
maybe...or at least not spelling out why these things occurred.
These are the topics that I was seeing constantly in my tiktok feed...just bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false we get trump as the result.
It's very concerning to me.
But they aren't normal. And calming they are is part of the downplaying I was talking about. If we didn't already own a home prior to 2019, I don't think I could ever afford one in my lifetime. I don't know how younger couples are going to any time soon. In many parts of the country the average home, with insurance, taxes, higher interest rates, etc, is going to be more than the entire paycheck of a new teacher. So a young couple where both are teachers, or both have similar salaries, it will take the entire paycheck of one and a portion of the other to just pay their mortgage. New car prices rises 25% in 5 years isn't normal. Which has also created a domino effect of cars lasting longer on the road, meaning more repairs and higher maintenance costs and increasing the cost of used cars. Grocery prices rising nearly 30% in 5 years is not normal. None of these things are things that "normally happen in our economy." And calming it is is just downplaying it. Now, like I said, You can argue the causes. And I would agree covid is a huge factor. But just telling people it's not as bad as you think it is over and over again probably cost them the election.
This reads like the memes I see though. A friend had posted a list of groceries with prices now vs four years ago....he had milk at $5/gallon now and $2.50 then. Someone commented by screenshotting a gallon of milk at WalMart for $2.99 current price.
One, that's not very accurate. Products are regional and even vary store to store, so taking a comment from one meme is pretty meaningless. It may be 2.99 now, and 5 years ago $2.19 at that same location. I don't know how you can argue against high grocery prices. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/price-tracker/ According to CBS, average milk price went from $3.10 to $4.02. Groceries are up close to 30% Same with cars and many other things.
What was trump's proposal for helping with the high cost of living?
I never said he had one. The conversation was about inflation in general and how the right hyped up the inflation to get voters scared. Inflation is real, and a lot worse than it usually is. Not sure why people are denying it. A mistake the left made was not making as big of a deal about inflation as the right did and not addressing it.
no one is denying inflation...I was pointing out the idiocy of stating milk is now $5 when it isn't. Yes if you go to a local Speedway to buy a gallon of milk it might be $5 for the convenience.
Once again, I'm reminded of a conversation with my sister in law. She was bitching about eggs being $4 or something but she was at SPEEDWAY. The day after that conversation my wife and I were at Meijer and I bought an 18 pack of eggs for like $2 or something.
Yes there was inflation. GLOBALLY
You said "When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful" and "bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false"
I interpreted those statements as saying inflation isn't as bad as people claim it is and we've experienced normal inflation. Both of which I disagree with. I do agree it is a global issue, and many of the factors are not the result of Biden/Harris. But your comments came across as that inflation was just a gas lighting attempt from the right and everything is fine.
well it's definitely better...even cars are better now...there are 0% deals all over the place
No I experienced inflation first hand. I do most of the grocery shopping in my house. My comment related to people comparing apples to oranges.
It's not better. Prices have not significantly gone down (if at all). It's just not continuing to get worse. 0% interest on a car isn't that great when you're paying 30% more for the car itself.
This seems directionally correct to me but will certainly send leftists screeching
The guy needs to change number 5 - biological sex is not a social construct, however gender is. So, he should say that race and gender are social constructs. In anthropology this is known as ascribed status vs achieved status. Ascribed statuses are what you are born with and can't be changed. However, achieved statuses can be. While we can't change our sex, we can change our gender. That is why surgeries are no longer called sex changes, but gender reassignments. Once someone has taken on the role of the gender they choose to achieve, they should be able to access the resources available to that gender as society and culture define the gender they choose (which varies cross culturally).
The list is total nonsense.
I agree. The whole list is ridiculous. I was just pointing out one of his errors that caught my eye. It drives me crazy when people conflate sex and gender into one concept.
He literally had a meeting with him.. You know a conversation . That's better than what any President has done with North Korea in my lifetime.
Next.
I remember conservatives upset when Obama met with Putin. I don't view open communication lines with adversarial nations as problematic unless we're praising them or giving them credibility. Things Trump has done with both Russia and North Korea. He's easily manipulated and with the Trump tapes out there, both Putin and Kim know how enamored he is with them. Weakening global stability is what I fear most outside of the disastrous national level changes. Who am I kidding, it's all concerning.
...or inviting them to camp david on/near the anniversary of said adversaries' attack on american soil.
Just IMAGINE if Obama had done that. The right's collective heads would have exploded.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.
How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.
It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.
Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s
At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.
And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.
When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.
Depends on how you measure the economy. The perception is bad because car prices are up 25%. Grocery prices are way up. You're going to pay 2-3 times the mortgage if you buy a home today compared to 5 years ago. Insurance costs have skyrocketed. There are a lot of people who are financially worse of today than they were 5 years ago. You can argue who is and is not responsible, but I think downplaying the effects hurt.
maybe...or at least not spelling out why these things occurred.
These are the topics that I was seeing constantly in my tiktok feed...just bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false we get trump as the result.
It's very concerning to me.
But they aren't normal. And calming they are is part of the downplaying I was talking about. If we didn't already own a home prior to 2019, I don't think I could ever afford one in my lifetime. I don't know how younger couples are going to any time soon. In many parts of the country the average home, with insurance, taxes, higher interest rates, etc, is going to be more than the entire paycheck of a new teacher. So a young couple where both are teachers, or both have similar salaries, it will take the entire paycheck of one and a portion of the other to just pay their mortgage. New car prices rises 25% in 5 years isn't normal. Which has also created a domino effect of cars lasting longer on the road, meaning more repairs and higher maintenance costs and increasing the cost of used cars. Grocery prices rising nearly 30% in 5 years is not normal. None of these things are things that "normally happen in our economy." And calming it is is just downplaying it. Now, like I said, You can argue the causes. And I would agree covid is a huge factor. But just telling people it's not as bad as you think it is over and over again probably cost them the election.
This reads like the memes I see though. A friend had posted a list of groceries with prices now vs four years ago....he had milk at $5/gallon now and $2.50 then. Someone commented by screenshotting a gallon of milk at WalMart for $2.99 current price.
One, that's not very accurate. Products are regional and even vary store to store, so taking a comment from one meme is pretty meaningless. It may be 2.99 now, and 5 years ago $2.19 at that same location. I don't know how you can argue against high grocery prices. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/price-tracker/ According to CBS, average milk price went from $3.10 to $4.02. Groceries are up close to 30% Same with cars and many other things.
What was trump's proposal for helping with the high cost of living?
I never said he had one. The conversation was about inflation in general and how the right hyped up the inflation to get voters scared. Inflation is real, and a lot worse than it usually is. Not sure why people are denying it. A mistake the left made was not making as big of a deal about inflation as the right did and not addressing it.
Who's denying it? It's been a global problem since Covid, and if I'm not mistaken, the US has handled inflation the best out of the G7 since then. If people want to ignore that, what can be done about it?
To suggest Harris didn't address it is more ignorance... she had a plan to tackle price gouging, but that was labeled communism, was it not? (another ignorant reaction, but I digress). He had NO plan to address inflation that we can speak of, so what were people voting for again?
Even the Murdoch owned WSJ said Harris' plan for the economy was better than trump's; clearly all those people who 'voted for the economy' missed that. Is that a messaging problem, or more a problem that people refuse to hear what they don't want to hear?
Whatever happened to personal responsibility, specifically in regards to reading up on and learning about issues? Conservatives used to be big on that.
I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.
How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.
It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.
Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s
At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.
And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.
When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.
Depends on how you measure the economy. The perception is bad because car prices are up 25%. Grocery prices are way up. You're going to pay 2-3 times the mortgage if you buy a home today compared to 5 years ago. Insurance costs have skyrocketed. There are a lot of people who are financially worse of today than they were 5 years ago. You can argue who is and is not responsible, but I think downplaying the effects hurt.
maybe...or at least not spelling out why these things occurred.
These are the topics that I was seeing constantly in my tiktok feed...just bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false we get trump as the result.
It's very concerning to me.
Tiktok is a likely culprit. Anyone can make a 20 second clip aBOUT ANYTHING AND IT GETS REDISTRIBUTED. i THOUGHT TWEETS WERE BAD, TIKTOK IS WORSE...
Zero wars stated under Biden or Trump, correct? We started zero.
Also, I get the Cheney resentment, fuck those people, but that doesn't mean I would shoot myself in the foot and choose a dictator and upheaval of social systems created for the betterment of all people in this country. And while on that subject, you mention the Cheneys supporting Harris, what about neo nazi, white supremacists supporting Trump? Isn't that a fucking red flag to you? Good god, look at the big picture. Domestic terrorism will once again be on the rise and threaten this country and the nationalist view will leave the US out in the cold.
As for the ceasefire, maybe you weren't aware of this already so here you go.
Also, no ceasefire is expected until January now because no one knows what to expect with our new dictator.
What new wars were started by Trump? Biden is literally funding the war in Ukraine. Not to mention all the bomb Obama dropped on civilians.
Yes I have problems with Israel and how they are handling the situation.
Trump is not a dictator and anyone that says that has been brain washed.
Oh wait, now the bar is funding wars? Okay, so talk to me about Trump sending billions in arms to Saudi Arabia (where 9/11 hijackers were trained) that were used to commit war crimes in Yemen. You think that's better than sending arms to Ukraine who is actually protecting their freedom? Oh did you forget about that one or did that not come up on your right wing feed? Is that where you were also lied to about the Minsk agreements?
And yes, he continued arming Israel and will in the new admin as well. Nice cherry picking of your points.
Hard truths the Democrats are not the party of common sense and the people spoke. Better luck next time.
Hard truths? You made an argument that was total bullshit. You misunderstand what a NEOCON is. You don't understand what is really happening in Ukraine and you don't even know the actions of the Trump administration. Those are the hard truths. Take the L on this one.
looking back, I feel like dem's biggest mistakes in 2016 and 2024 were running on character instead of hard policy. No one seems to care if the president is a POS, as long as he gets some shit done that they deem important.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.
How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.
It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.
Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s
At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.
And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.
When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.
Depends on how you measure the economy. The perception is bad because car prices are up 25%. Grocery prices are way up. You're going to pay 2-3 times the mortgage if you buy a home today compared to 5 years ago. Insurance costs have skyrocketed. There are a lot of people who are financially worse of today than they were 5 years ago. You can argue who is and is not responsible, but I think downplaying the effects hurt.
maybe...or at least not spelling out why these things occurred.
These are the topics that I was seeing constantly in my tiktok feed...just bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false we get trump as the result.
It's very concerning to me.
But they aren't normal. And calming they are is part of the downplaying I was talking about. If we didn't already own a home prior to 2019, I don't think I could ever afford one in my lifetime. I don't know how younger couples are going to any time soon. In many parts of the country the average home, with insurance, taxes, higher interest rates, etc, is going to be more than the entire paycheck of a new teacher. So a young couple where both are teachers, or both have similar salaries, it will take the entire paycheck of one and a portion of the other to just pay their mortgage. New car prices rises 25% in 5 years isn't normal. Which has also created a domino effect of cars lasting longer on the road, meaning more repairs and higher maintenance costs and increasing the cost of used cars. Grocery prices rising nearly 30% in 5 years is not normal. None of these things are things that "normally happen in our economy." And calming it is is just downplaying it. Now, like I said, You can argue the causes. And I would agree covid is a huge factor. But just telling people it's not as bad as you think it is over and over again probably cost them the election.
Housing problems. Influx of migrants need to live somewhere. Lack of supply of houses. Not a lot of new construction of houses in heavily populated areas anymore. You can only build up. AirBnB/Vrbo have taken a chunk of the market and have part time rentals sucking up supply. Flipping houses. Hollywood up a house w some paint and a rug and jack up the price. These are the new "used Car Salesmen". Corporations have been gobbling up homes to rent thus driving prices up because they want a return on their investment. Corporations offering Cash Prices to help you buy a house which comes with a premium on top thus raising the initial cost of the house. Shall I go on with he problems of housing?
Totally agree w you that newer couples in no way are going to be able to afford houses. House poor will be a common phenomenon.
I think some of my posts over the last few months will show this. I have been saying that if trump wins it is because the electorate is just too fucking ignorant.
How do we recover from that? How does an opposition party combat complete ignorance of an electorate influenced by memes rather than actual facts? These people do not listen to in depth discussions of important topics, they vote strictly on outrage.
It will be easier by itself when people are less distressed in their everyday life about the economy and surviving. Then they can raise their eyes a bit and be less ego and shortsighted.
Thinks like this accelerate when society is going through a crisis and people therefore feel unsecure. See: Germany in the 30s
At the same time. Making people be less ego, shortsighted and racist takes effort. And I heard that youtuber Hasan once talk about how young men online is only met by a huge right wing space (whether that is Joe Rogan or Tim Pool or whoever) and the left has lost the fight of being an option. Ego and othering rules the day.
And effects of climate change etc, won't make the above easier over time ofc.
When is anyone ever less distressed about their everyday life though? Our economy is doing very well right now and the incumbent party got booted because the perception is that things are awful.
Depends on how you measure the economy. The perception is bad because car prices are up 25%. Grocery prices are way up. You're going to pay 2-3 times the mortgage if you buy a home today compared to 5 years ago. Insurance costs have skyrocketed. There are a lot of people who are financially worse of today than they were 5 years ago. You can argue who is and is not responsible, but I think downplaying the effects hurt.
maybe...or at least not spelling out why these things occurred.
These are the topics that I was seeing constantly in my tiktok feed...just bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false we get trump as the result.
It's very concerning to me.
But they aren't normal. And calming they are is part of the downplaying I was talking about. If we didn't already own a home prior to 2019, I don't think I could ever afford one in my lifetime. I don't know how younger couples are going to any time soon. In many parts of the country the average home, with insurance, taxes, higher interest rates, etc, is going to be more than the entire paycheck of a new teacher. So a young couple where both are teachers, or both have similar salaries, it will take the entire paycheck of one and a portion of the other to just pay their mortgage. New car prices rises 25% in 5 years isn't normal. Which has also created a domino effect of cars lasting longer on the road, meaning more repairs and higher maintenance costs and increasing the cost of used cars. Grocery prices rising nearly 30% in 5 years is not normal. None of these things are things that "normally happen in our economy." And calming it is is just downplaying it. Now, like I said, You can argue the causes. And I would agree covid is a huge factor. But just telling people it's not as bad as you think it is over and over again probably cost them the election.
Housing problems. Influx of migrants need to live somewhere. Lack of supply of houses. Not a lot of new construction of houses in heavily populated areas anymore. You can only build up. AirBnB/Vrbo have taken a chunk of the market and have part time rentals sucking up supply. Flipping houses. Hollywood up a house w some paint and a rug and jack up the price. These are the new "used Car Salesmen". Corporations have been gobbling up homes to rent thus driving prices up because they want a return on their investment. Corporations offering Cash Prices to help you buy a house which comes with a premium on top thus raising the initial cost of the house. Shall I go on with he problems of housing?
Totally agree w you that newer couples in no way are going to be able to afford houses. House poor will be a common phenomenon.
I fully expect at least one of my kids to live with us forever. That's fine. extra rent.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
If only one of the candidates had a proposal to help 1st time home buyers.
Now: pull yerself up by yer bootstraps, sonny! that there is the 'merican dream! no more commies! In 4 years: we need help! my trailer needs a new paint job and my cousin needs a new wife beater
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
looking back, I feel like dem's biggest mistakes in 2016 and 2024 were running on character instead of hard policy. No one seems to care if the president is a POS, as long as he gets some shit done that they deem important.
Agree.
The Democratic party favors a mixed economy and generally supports a progressive tax system, higher minimum wages, Social Security, universal health care, public education, and subsidized housing. It also supports infrastructure development and clean energy investments to achieve economic development and job creation.
This is what you get when you do a Google search. A lot more of this and a lot less "At least we're not Donald Trump" would've been nice. Not to mention a decent candidate that actually received votes in a primary.
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and "bullshit clips blaming Harris/Biden, etc., for things that normally happen in our economy. Once again...ignorance. When the majority of the electorate is ignorant and the news they receive is false"
I interpreted those statements as saying inflation isn't as bad as people claim it is and we've experienced normal inflation. Both of which I disagree with.
I do agree it is a global issue, and many of the factors are not the result of Biden/Harris. But your comments came across as that inflation was just a gas lighting attempt from the right and everything is fine.
No I experienced inflation first hand. I do most of the grocery shopping in my house. My comment related to people comparing apples to oranges.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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A real ”gen x dem” would realise that.
Do you think going hard with a more clear progressive agenda instead would have made more of the 15 million people not showing up to show up?
How many republicans voted dem compared to former elecetions with this strategy? Is there data on that yet?
Yes I have problems with Israel and how they are handling the situation.
Trump is not a dictator and anyone that says that has been brain washed.
And yes, he continued arming Israel and will in the new admin as well. Nice cherry picking of your points.
I am neither leftist or screeching. I just have this strange habit of critical thinking. None of these make sense as a platform for a political party. But if you can think of a law that ensures that "academics and non profit staffers do not occupy a unique position of virtue" without violating the Constitution, I'd love to hear it.
-EV 8/14/93
0% interest on a car isn't that great when you're paying 30% more for the car itself.
Just IMAGINE if Obama had done that. The right's collective heads would have exploded.
-EV 8/14/93
To suggest Harris didn't address it is more ignorance... she had a plan to tackle price gouging, but that was labeled communism, was it not? (another ignorant reaction, but I digress). He had NO plan to address inflation that we can speak of, so what were people voting for again?
Even the Murdoch owned WSJ said Harris' plan for the economy was better than trump's; clearly all those people who 'voted for the economy' missed that. Is that a messaging problem, or more a problem that people refuse to hear what they don't want to hear?
Whatever happened to personal responsibility, specifically in regards to reading up on and learning about issues? Conservatives used to be big on that.
I'm not fixing the above... Deal with it.
-EV 8/14/93
Influx of migrants need to live somewhere.
Lack of supply of houses. Not a lot of new construction of houses in heavily populated areas anymore. You can only build up.
AirBnB/Vrbo have taken a chunk of the market and have part time rentals sucking up supply.
Flipping houses. Hollywood up a house w some paint and a rug and jack up the price. These are the new "used Car Salesmen".
Corporations have been gobbling up homes to rent thus driving prices up because they want a return on their investment.
Corporations offering Cash Prices to help you buy a house which comes with a premium on top thus raising the initial cost of the house.
Shall I go on with he problems of housing?
Totally agree w you that newer couples in no way are going to be able to afford houses. House poor will be a common phenomenon.
-EV 8/14/93
If only one of the candidates had a proposal to help 1st time home buyers.
In 4 years: we need help! my trailer needs a new paint job and my cousin needs a new wife beater
-EV 8/14/93
The Democratic party favors a mixed economy and generally supports a progressive tax system, higher minimum wages, Social Security, universal health care, public education, and subsidized housing. It also supports infrastructure development and clean energy investments to achieve economic development and job creation.
This is what you get when you do a Google search. A lot more of this and a lot less "At least we're not Donald Trump" would've been nice. Not to mention a decent candidate that actually received votes in a primary.
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29