** KAMALA HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT -PART DEUX **

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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Posts: 3,987
    edited September 25
    Per the AMA, there are 4,890 transgender individuals incarcerated in state prisons in the US and approximately another 1200 are in federal prisons.  That's out of an estimated 2-2.3 million incarcerated people, total, in this country of 345 million.

    That's 0.28% of incarcerated people, 0.00174% of Americans. 
    Assuming gender-affirming care costs $100,000 per person, and 6000 prisoners asked for that care, that would cost $600M. That's a lot of money!  But the US federal budget is $6.5T this year (one trillion = one million million), so $600M = 0.009% of the federal budget.

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    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • (I was a humanities major -- math is hard! LOL)
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • Philly NJPhilly NJ Posts: 140
    Philly NJ said:
    Philly NJ said:
    brianlux said:
    In support of what I said a little earlier, instead of berating a group of people we disagree with (but do berate Trump and Vance, please, they deserve it), let's get out some information that might turn some of the MAGA people around.  Like, for example, this from Heather Cox Richardson's letter this evening.  Make photo copies of this and pass them around:

    On Sunday, a bipartisan group of 741 national security leaders—some of the biggest names in the field—endorsed Harris. “To the American People,” they wrote. “We are former public servants who swore an oath to the Constitution. Many of us risked our lives for it. We are retired generals, admirals, senior noncommissioned officers, ambassadors, and senior civilian national security leaders. We are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. We are loyal to the ideals of our nation—like freedom, democracy, and the rule of law—not to any one individual or party.

    “We do not agree on everything, but we all adhere to two fundamental principles. First, we believe America’s national security requires a serious and capable Commander-in-Chief. Second, we believe American democracy is invaluable. Each generation has a responsibility to defend it. That is why we, the undersigned, proudly endorse Kamala Harris to be the next President of the United States.

    “This election is a choice between serious leadership and vengeful impulsiveness. It is a choice between democracy and authoritarianism. Vice President Harris defends America’s democratic ideals, while former President Donald Trump endangers them.

    “We do not make such an assessment lightly. We are trained to make sober, rational decisions. That is how we know Vice President Harris would make an excellent Commander-in-Chief, while Mr. Trump has proven he is not up to the job.”


    Kinda reminds me of the 51 "national intelligence" experts that said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.  If I recall, Donald was POTUS for 4 years and I don't remember any "vengeful impulsiveness".  

    Harris/Biden have presided over more evacuations of U.S. embassies—a total of 11—than any other presidential administration in U.S. history. 

    I also recall Harris/Biden allowing Chinese spy balloons to cross the US, and lie about it. I recall the Harris/Biden vax mandate resulting in 1000s of highly trained Special Operation soldiers leaving the military.  So much more...

     
    you mean the chinese balloon that was shot down as soon as it was safe to do so? that balloon?
    Do you really believe that? We want to know if you honestly believe that.
    considering i watched an f-22 shoot it down, yeah.
    We want to know if you believe it was shot down "as soon as it was safe to do so".  The China spy balloon was first detected over Alaska.  Harris/Biden waited to shoot it down off the coast of Myrtle Beach.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,243
    Imagine giving a shit about the spy balloon when the GOP candidate for president is liable to sell our national secrets to the highest bidder or worse... give them to anyone who flatters him? 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,645
    Philly NJ said:
    Philly NJ said:
    Philly NJ said:
    brianlux said:
    In support of what I said a little earlier, instead of berating a group of people we disagree with (but do berate Trump and Vance, please, they deserve it), let's get out some information that might turn some of the MAGA people around.  Like, for example, this from Heather Cox Richardson's letter this evening.  Make photo copies of this and pass them around:

    On Sunday, a bipartisan group of 741 national security leaders—some of the biggest names in the field—endorsed Harris. “To the American People,” they wrote. “We are former public servants who swore an oath to the Constitution. Many of us risked our lives for it. We are retired generals, admirals, senior noncommissioned officers, ambassadors, and senior civilian national security leaders. We are Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. We are loyal to the ideals of our nation—like freedom, democracy, and the rule of law—not to any one individual or party.

    “We do not agree on everything, but we all adhere to two fundamental principles. First, we believe America’s national security requires a serious and capable Commander-in-Chief. Second, we believe American democracy is invaluable. Each generation has a responsibility to defend it. That is why we, the undersigned, proudly endorse Kamala Harris to be the next President of the United States.

    “This election is a choice between serious leadership and vengeful impulsiveness. It is a choice between democracy and authoritarianism. Vice President Harris defends America’s democratic ideals, while former President Donald Trump endangers them.

    “We do not make such an assessment lightly. We are trained to make sober, rational decisions. That is how we know Vice President Harris would make an excellent Commander-in-Chief, while Mr. Trump has proven he is not up to the job.”


    Kinda reminds me of the 51 "national intelligence" experts that said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.  If I recall, Donald was POTUS for 4 years and I don't remember any "vengeful impulsiveness".  

    Harris/Biden have presided over more evacuations of U.S. embassies—a total of 11—than any other presidential administration in U.S. history. 

    I also recall Harris/Biden allowing Chinese spy balloons to cross the US, and lie about it. I recall the Harris/Biden vax mandate resulting in 1000s of highly trained Special Operation soldiers leaving the military.  So much more...

     
    you mean the chinese balloon that was shot down as soon as it was safe to do so? that balloon?
    Do you really believe that? We want to know if you honestly believe that.
    considering i watched an f-22 shoot it down, yeah.
    We want to know if you believe it was shot down "as soon as it was safe to do so".  The China spy balloon was first detected over Alaska.  Harris/Biden waited to shoot it down off the coast of Myrtle Beach.
    Why do you keep saying "we"? Are you referencing the general collective on here or are all banned posters using your account these days?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,988
    Imagine giving a shit about the spy balloon when the GOP candidate for president is liable to sell our national secrets to the highest bidder or worse... give them to anyone who flatters him? 

    ‘The special counsel’s indictment alleges that those in attendance at the meeting with Trump — including a writer, a publisher and two of Trump’s staff members — were shown classified information about a Pentagon plan of attack on an unspecified foreign country.

    “These are the papers,” Trump says in a moment that seems to indicate he’s holding a secret Pentagon document with plans to attack Iran. “This was done by the military, given to me.”

  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,243
    edited September 25
    There's a reason why countries like China and Russia want trump back in office. 
  • Philly NJPhilly NJ Posts: 140
    mrussel1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    This is Autumn Cordellione, he strangled a 11 month old baby to death. He is serving 55 years in prison  He wants a sex-change operation in prison. In Kamala’s America he/she/it gets one……on the American tax-payers dime. It’s not medically necessary, it’s an elective ($100,000) procedure. 




    Or... we can vote for someone who encouraged a mob to attack the Capitol.  Easy call which is worse.



    Not voting for Ray Epps and or any member of Antifa.
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 7,860
    We have the dumbest conversations in this thread.
  • njhaley1njhaley1 Posts: 746
    War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,728
    Wow. Ray Epps, antifa, and the spy balloon all making a comeback in September of 2024. 

    Focusing on the issues that matter!


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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,243
    Philly NJ said:
    mrussel1 said:
    teskeinc said:
    This is Autumn Cordellione, he strangled a 11 month old baby to death. He is serving 55 years in prison  He wants a sex-change operation in prison. In Kamala’s America he/she/it gets one……on the American tax-payers dime. It’s not medically necessary, it’s an elective ($100,000) procedure. 




    Or... we can vote for someone who encouraged a mob to attack the Capitol.  Easy call which is worse.



    Not voting for Ray Epps and or any member of Antifa.
    But you'll vote for the guy who want's to pardon 'antifa'. 

     :D  
  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,668
    Imagine giving a shit about the spy balloon when the GOP candidate for president is liable to sell our national secrets to the highest bidder or worse... give them to anyone who flatters him? 
    Iran hacking the Trump campaign and sending info to the Harris campaign but no one claiming “election interference”?

    If this was Russia hacking Harris and sending it to Trump the Democrats/FBI would be hysterical as would this whole message board. But that’s the content of character you have to expect from Dems.

    Same as the 30% of Democrats that were upset the assassination attempts were unsuccessful. Sick people. You know who you are.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,219
    no one using said info, no one publishing said info but instead reporting to fbi receipt of said materials is interference?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,988
    teskeinc said:
    Imagine giving a shit about the spy balloon when the GOP candidate for president is liable to sell our national secrets to the highest bidder or worse... give them to anyone who flatters him? 
    Iran hacking the Trump campaign and sending info to the Harris campaign but no one claiming “election interference”?

    If this was Russia hacking Harris and sending it to Trump the Democrats/FBI would be hysterical as would this whole message board. But that’s the content of character you have to expect from Dems.

    Same as the 30% of Democrats that were upset the assassination attempts were unsuccessful. Sick people. You know who you are.
    The Harris campaign rejected the offer and worked with intelligence. The Trump campaign was looped in on the DNC hack by Russia and then Trump and Flynn lied to intelligence about their knowledge of it. 


  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,668
    Kamala supports tax payer funded sex change operations for prisoners and illegal immigrants in detention, it’s on record.

    I don’t care how many whether it’s 1 or 1 million, or how much it costs. Making tax payers pay for it is wrong. They can have all the surgeries they want on their own dime. 

    When you strangle and kill a baby, you lose those rightsIf you don’t agree, you are a sick person and lack any kind of morals. No if and or buts. 

    People here want Trump in jail for 34 felonies. (For paying a porn star $134k) but sympathize with a baby killer transitioning? Sick world we live in.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,219
    teskeinc said:
    Kamala supports tax payer funded sex change operations for prisoners and illegal immigrants in detention, it’s on record.

    I don’t care how many whether it’s 1 or 1 million, or how much it costs. Making tax payers pay for it is wrong. They can have all the surgeries they want on their own dime. 

    When you strangle and kill a baby, you lose those rightsIf you don’t agree, you are a sick person and lack any kind of morals. No if and or buts. 

    People here want Trump in jail for 34 felonies. (For paying a porn star $134k) but sympathize with a baby killer transitioning? Sick world we live in.

    where in the constitution does it say that?

    why do you hate america and our founding document so much?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,988
    teskeinc said:
    Kamala supports tax payer funded sex change operations for prisoners and illegal immigrants in detention, it’s on record.

    I don’t care how many whether it’s 1 or 1 million, or how much it costs. Making tax payers pay for it is wrong. They can have all the surgeries they want on their own dime. 

    When you strangle and kill a baby, you lose those rightsIf you don’t agree, you are a sick person and lack any kind of morals. No if and or buts. 

    People here want Trump in jail for 34 felonies. (For paying a porn star $134k) but sympathize with a baby killer transitioning? Sick world we live in.
    So you’re saying healthcare is a right? 
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 7,860
    edited September 25
    teskeinc said:
    Kamala supports tax payer funded sex change operations for prisoners and illegal immigrants in detention, it’s on record.

    I don’t care how many whether it’s 1 or 1 million, or how much it costs. Making tax payers pay for it is wrong. They can have all the surgeries they want on their own dime. 

    When you strangle and kill a baby, you lose those rightsIf you don’t agree, you are a sick person and lack any kind of morals. No if and or buts. 

    People here want Trump in jail for 34 felonies. (For paying a porn star $134k) but sympathize with a baby killer transitioning? Sick world we live in.
    Agreed, we should lock them up and then foot the bill for incarcerating them. 
    Post edited by Tim Simmons on
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 7,860
    Like I said. The dumbest conversations 
  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,668
    edited September 25
    Deplorable people with no morals. Lives revolve around hating Trump and can’t go an hour without thinking or posting about him. Worship celebrities and their opinions until their hero’s are arrested for “freak outs”. Defenders of democracy who grew up as middle class kids as well. But secretly wish a candidate was assisinated, what great patriots we have here! Carry on!
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,219
    teskeinc said:
    Deplorable people with no morals. Lives revolve around hating Trump and can’t go an hour without thinking or posting about him. Worship celebrities and their opinions until their hero’s are arrested for “freak outs”. Defenders of democracy who grew up as middle class kids as well. But secretly wish a candidate was assisinated, what great patriots we have here! Carry on!

    no no no. a good long life. to 110 yrs. while he sits in prison for his crimes against this country.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,728
    edited September 25
    teskeinc said:
    Deplorable people with no morals. Lives revolve around hating Trump and can’t go an hour without thinking or posting about him. Worship celebrities and their opinions until their hero’s are arrested for “freak outs”. Defenders of democracy who grew up as middle class kids as well. But secretly wish a candidate was assisinated, what great patriots we have here! Carry on!
    seems like maga needs a tissue

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  • Lots of straw man arguments happening. Can we please stop feeding the trolls? 
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • I sense hysteria setting in.
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  • teskeincteskeinc Posts: 1,668
    That was yesterday with all the doom and gloom here of latest polls released. And one guy trying to convince everyone that the Teamsters actually did endorse Harris for over a week now . 😂😂😂😂
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 7,860
    teskeinc said:
    Deplorable people with no morals. Lives revolve around hating Trump and can’t go an hour without thinking or posting about him. Worship celebrities and their opinions until their hero’s are arrested for “freak outs”. Defenders of democracy who grew up as middle class kids as well. But secretly wish a candidate was assisinated, what great patriots we have here! Carry on!
    We can do the other side like this, but what does this accomplish. You don’t like liberals, we get it. We aren’t convincing you and you aren’t convincing us. So what are you doing here? 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,728
    teskeinc said:
    That was yesterday with all the doom and gloom here of latest polls released. And one guy trying to convince everyone that the Teamsters actually did endorse Harris for over a week now . 😂😂😂😂
    you tell em maga! you tell em good!


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  • I guess I’d be offended by the ad hominem attacks, had I actually grown up middle class, or if I worshipped (srsly, wtf?) anyone or anything, or if I sat around cultivating homicidal fantasies.
    But I didn’t, and I don’t, so I guess I’m okay. 🤷🏻‍♀️
    I can hear the yelling through the mute function and the computer screen though. It reminds me of my mother, who would start screaming “What about BENGHAZI!?!” whenever politics came up. I haven’t talked to her in a decade….
    The rage is corrosive. You can lob all the baseless attacks you want at me, and it won’t fill the hole inside you, it can’t hurt me, and it won’t change who I actually am. 
     I Love this country, I love the Constitution, and I believe in the idea of America. Internet randos can scream all they want and that won’t change.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
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