Keeping Men out of Women's Sports

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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,190
    https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/42549609/inside-san-jose-state-university-2024-volleyball-season-gender-fairness-safety

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  • shecky
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    Martina Navratilova has long been outspoken about transgender athletes in girls' and women's sports.

    In a new post on X, the tennis legend said she was "mad" that Republicans have tackled the nationwide controversy, rather than Democrats, the party which she has aligned with.

    Navratilova shared a photo of Congresswoman Nancy Mace, R-S.C., with members of Gays Against Groomers, holding up a shirt that read "Save Girls' Sports."

    "And I am so mad that the Republicans captured this issue – shame on all the elected Democrats who keep silent on this!!! #whataboutthewomen," she wrote on X.

    This is not the first time Navratilova has ripped the left for their different views on the issue. The tennis legend appeared at the Independent Women's Forum's "Take Back Title IX" rally in June as she and other prominent women athletes pushed back on the Biden administration’s Title IX rewrite.

    Navratilova said that she and her fellow Democrats tried to make the playing field fair for transgender athletes to compete in women’s sports. However, when she did more research, she determined it was an impossible task.

    "Initially, being the Democrats and the women that we are for the most part, we in this group were trying to find every single possible way to include trans-identified men, males who identify as women, into women’s sports," she said. "And the more we try to find a way to mitigate the advantage, to handicap, to somehow to include, the more we figured out it’s not possible. It’s not possible to do it in a fair way and here we are in a much different position.

    "As I got deeper into the issue, I also saw the connection between women’s sex-based spaces and women’s sports – they are totally interconnected, and I’m sure the swimmers at Penn could tell you all about that. You heard about Lia Thomas, right?"

    "Now, it’s, ‘Oh, you’re a homophobe.’ Go figure. I’ve been out since ’81, yeah, I’m a homophobe," she said, rolling her eyes. "‘You’re a bigot, you’re a transphobe, you’re a Nazi, you’re a fascist, you’re a communist,’ everything and everything in between. And this is coming from the left. I am the left! My people are turning on me. They’re turning on us, women, who speak up for women’s sex-based rights."

    Navratilova recently called Italian sprinter Valentina Petrillo, who competed in the Paralympics as a trans woman, a "pathetic cheater." In March, she made a plea to "keep women's sports female."


  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,552
    Replies to tweets isn’t the left turning on her. Or anyone really. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Go Beavers said:
    Replies to tweets isn’t the left turning on her. Or anyone really. 
    But that's what the masses think today.  If there is a tweet or two then the majority MUST think that way.
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited December 2024
    Well, I'm glad Pipsqueak quit soccer. She's trying volleyball. I think Volleyball BC inclusion policy (unlike Soccer BC) doesn't allow the XY players if they went through male puberty with XY hormones producing well you know...  I'll look into that more...



    I know volleyball players risk concussions, too, but at least they even out her U14 playground a bit better. (Maybe that's just Canada? BC could be different? who knows this is pretty tricky).

    https://www.transathlete.com/canada-national-governing-bodies#:~:text=Volleyball Canada policy allows transgender,according to their birth certificate.
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  • Spunkie
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    edited December 2024
    eeriepadave said:
    https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/42549609/inside-san-jose-state-university-2024-volleyball-season-gender-fairness-safety

    Thanks, I checked it out. It's interesting to see all the different policies out there and not just between different sports but political parties, countries, and even provinces here.
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  • Spunkie
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    tbergs said:
    Spunkie said:

    I don't see a tail pipe so I'm open to accepting that identifier. We're all just looking to fit in.
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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited December 2024
    When I click volleyballBC inclusion, equity etc policy... I got shit, lol

    Hope I don't find out the hard way?!





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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited December 2024
    https://cces.ca/sites/default/files/content/docs/2024-01/cces-trans-inclusion-policy-guidance-en.pdf

    This stuff is from 2015-2011 etc. Maybe it's just if children identify as any gender they play that? I don't know I give up. let's just hope for less injuries in this sport!


    Oh Christ does football mean soccer f*** I really give up
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  • Spunkie
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    edited February 5
    With Trump's new order, being signed today, on women's sports day called "keeping men out of women's sports", you Americans are so lucky that children born as males don't get to play in female sports! -speaking as a mother whose child received a concussion from a genetic born male in girls soccer.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    There’s nothing lucky about trump for Americans 
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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited February 5
    The women and girls, like my girl, who play sports who aren't going to get concussions from bigger muscled men/boys are lucky, Hugh!
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I think the focus should be more on weight classes. A large female can also inflict that same damage. I agree with the concern, just not the solution. 
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  • Spunkie
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    edited February 5
    I'd be happy if Canada did any protection for women who play against larger genetic males for a minimum at least... 

    But that may put overweight children in different age groups and sometimes the kids just want to play with kids their own age for fairness.

    So you're saying an overweight 14-year-old couldn't play with her peers and is not allowed to play up so she can't play at all
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  • mickeyrat
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    Spunkie said:
    The women and girls, like my girl, who play sports who aren't going to get concussions from bigger muscled men/boys are lucky, Hugh!

    yet many other freedoms are being taken away or severely restricted.
    personally believe body autonomy outweighs sports.  but thats me.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Me too. My youngest plays many sports, and she’s usually the smallest. She’s been tossed around by females much bigger than she. Of course we’re always on the edge of our seat with worry. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Hopefully if Canada gets this they won't have to give up as much as the US did.

    Also, transvestigation is about to become an industry here. Larry Nasser's now even more upset to be in prison.
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  • Tim Simmons
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    Spunkie said:
    With Trump's new order, being signed today, on women's sports day called "keeping men out of women's sports", you Americans are so lucky that children born as males don't get to play in female sports! -speaking as a mother whose child received a concussion from a genetic born male in girls soccer.
    I mean, I'd rather them tackle a bigger problem facing kids, but sure. 

  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    As we revert back to traditional gender roles, we may just eliminate girls/womens sports altogether.
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  • Tim Simmons
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    They are well on their way to becoming second class citizens. 

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