Respect the travelling fans...

dugangsxr

I Only had the travel two hours to Indianapolis to see them And as soon as I arrive, the show got canceled. I thought that sucked! I couldn’t imagine imagine of one to another country and pay all those fees/cost & the show getting canceled. I feel your alls pain. Hopefully shit gets better/resolved! 

on2legs

It would make sense that the insurance company puts a moratorium on returning right away.  They don’t want bands canceling unless it’s absolutely unavoidable and the non return clause would be a financial disincentive to canceling.  

seanclax

pdalowsky said:

seanclax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

seanclax said:

The 2 year thing came up ALOT in the months of pre announcement chat. The general consensus was that as they cancelled shows and the insurance paid out they couldn't return for two years.
The fact there was no Amsterdam show this year speaks volumes.
Not sure whether that relates to this year's cancelled shows though.

What do you mean "general consensus"? How many people in here have enough authority about touring insurances to even be able to come to a general consensus on the matter? Maybe one person could have leaked info, or work in that area or read an article about how 2 years is the standard -- but several people reaching a general consensus about it?

Getting a general consensus about Kane Hodder being the best Jason Voorhees is one thing - and even that would be a stretch with the cliental in here. But regarding something so specific and niche? Sounds off.

You've lost me with Jason shit.
And genuinely you mainly seem to be here to argue.
I only mentioned it because ALOTof people talked about it in the Euro tour thread that went on for months.
Why else wouldn't they play Amsterdam when they always play Amsterdam.

It definitely seems a reasonable conclusion to come to given previous patterns. 

I do wonder if it is true however or a myth that has been repeated so many times it becomes fact LOL. 

I also wonder if it is true if its country wide or specific to the venue.....hmmmmmm

I mean id Download come calling next year I wonder if PJ can sign up, or Leeds/Reading.......

If it was a 2 year rule for the 2022 cancellations surely you think they would get a different deal going forward.
But who knows.
I personally can't see any euro shows next year. Which sucks cos I'm 1 for 3 so far with 2 shows to go

kmcmanus

seanclax said:

pdalowsky said:

seanclax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

seanclax said:

The 2 year thing came up ALOT in the months of pre announcement chat. The general consensus was that as they cancelled shows and the insurance paid out they couldn't return for two years.
The fact there was no Amsterdam show this year speaks volumes.
Not sure whether that relates to this year's cancelled shows though.

What do you mean "general consensus"? How many people in here have enough authority about touring insurances to even be able to come to a general consensus on the matter? Maybe one person could have leaked info, or work in that area or read an article about how 2 years is the standard -- but several people reaching a general consensus about it?

Getting a general consensus about Kane Hodder being the best Jason Voorhees is one thing - and even that would be a stretch with the cliental in here. But regarding something so specific and niche? Sounds off.

You've lost me with Jason shit.
And genuinely you mainly seem to be here to argue.
I only mentioned it because ALOTof people talked about it in the Euro tour thread that went on for months.
Why else wouldn't they play Amsterdam when they always play Amsterdam.

It definitely seems a reasonable conclusion to come to given previous patterns. 

I do wonder if it is true however or a myth that has been repeated so many times it becomes fact LOL. 

I also wonder if it is true if its country wide or specific to the venue.....hmmmmmm

I mean id Download come calling next year I wonder if PJ can sign up, or Leeds/Reading.......

If it was a 2 year rule for the 2022 cancellations surely you think they would get a different deal going forward.
But who knows.
I personally can't see any euro shows next year. Which sucks cos I'm 1 for 3 so far with 2 shows to go

Maybe a different deal is worse though? Like, you cancelled 2 in 2022 so now it’s 3 years, if you cancel in ‘24 (as happened) it gets higher still? Premiums, copays and deductibles tend to increase when you actually use insurance, this might be another penalty.

i would also be stunned if there’s any Europe shows in ‘25. I kinda suspect that if they had any plans they might have been more likely to postpone, they cancelled because they don’t expect to be back that soon.

seanclax

kmcmanus said:

seanclax said:

pdalowsky said:

seanclax said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

seanclax said:

The 2 year thing came up ALOT in the months of pre announcement chat. The general consensus was that as they cancelled shows and the insurance paid out they couldn't return for two years.
The fact there was no Amsterdam show this year speaks volumes.
Not sure whether that relates to this year's cancelled shows though.

What do you mean "general consensus"? How many people in here have enough authority about touring insurances to even be able to come to a general consensus on the matter? Maybe one person could have leaked info, or work in that area or read an article about how 2 years is the standard -- but several people reaching a general consensus about it?

Getting a general consensus about Kane Hodder being the best Jason Voorhees is one thing - and even that would be a stretch with the cliental in here. But regarding something so specific and niche? Sounds off.

You've lost me with Jason shit.
And genuinely you mainly seem to be here to argue.
I only mentioned it because ALOTof people talked about it in the Euro tour thread that went on for months.
Why else wouldn't they play Amsterdam when they always play Amsterdam.

It definitely seems a reasonable conclusion to come to given previous patterns. 

I do wonder if it is true however or a myth that has been repeated so many times it becomes fact LOL. 

I also wonder if it is true if its country wide or specific to the venue.....hmmmmmm

I mean id Download come calling next year I wonder if PJ can sign up, or Leeds/Reading.......

If it was a 2 year rule for the 2022 cancellations surely you think they would get a different deal going forward.
But who knows.
I personally can't see any euro shows next year. Which sucks cos I'm 1 for 3 so far with 2 shows to go

Maybe a different deal is worse though? Like, you cancelled 2 in 2022 so now it’s 3 years, if you cancel in ‘24 (as happened) it gets higher still? Premiums, copays and deductibles tend to increase when you actually use insurance, this might be another penalty.

i would also be stunned if there’s any Europe shows in ‘25. I kinda suspect that if they had any plans they might have been more likely to postpone, they cancelled because they don’t expect to be back that soon.

They've really got the gameplan wrong with this euro tour.
Mot just the prices which are ridiculous.
Spurs stadium should never have been an option, with Manchester catering to the northern audience one night at the o2 or Wembley would of suffice.
Same with berlin and Barcelona, one night would of Been fine and they could of added krakow and Copenhagen arena shows which would of sold well.

DL136722

It would've been interesting to see if these shows sold out, would they be canceled? 

My guess is, for insurance reasons, if you cancel a show due to sickness vs low ticket sales, there's different mechanisms that fall into place. Obviously, never going to know for sure just hope everyone is doing well. 

seanclax

DL136722 said:

It would've been interesting to see if these shows sold out, would they be canceled? 

My guess is, for insurance reasons, if you cancel a show due to sickness vs low ticket sales, there's different mechanisms that fall into place. Obviously, never going to know for sure just hope everyone is doing well. 

Manchester seemed full enough 

DL136722

I was more referring to London and Berlin, the canceled shows 

seanclax

DL136722 said:

I was more referring to London and Berlin, the canceled shows 

London wouldn't of sold out in a million years.

THEBIBLEISTEN

dugangsxr said:

I Only had the travel two hours to Indianapolis to see them And as soon as I arrive, the show got canceled. I thought that sucked! I couldn’t imagine imagine of one to another country and pay all those fees/cost & the show getting canceled. I feel your alls pain. Hopefully shit gets better/resolved! 

I’d rather go to Berlin than Indy. Great city to explore. 

DL136722

seanclax said:

DL136722 said:

I was more referring to London and Berlin, the canceled shows 

London wouldn't of sold out in a million years.

I feel you're missing the point which is IF the London show and Berlin shows sold out, would they have canceled? Again, we'll never know but with the complexities of insurance policies who knows how all this has to work out on the business side of things. Just hope all involved are getting better and doing well. 

seanclax

DL136722 said:

seanclax said:

DL136722 said:

I was more referring to London and Berlin, the canceled shows 

London wouldn't of sold out in a million years.

I feel you're missing the point which is IF the London show and Berlin shows sold out, would they have canceled? Again, we'll never know but with the complexities of insurance policies who knows how all this has to work out on the business side of things. Just hope all involved are getting better and doing well. 

Oh yes I did your point.
I went to Manchester and vedder was clearly struggling. Covid is rife in Ireland right now so I think the illness is legit. I really can't see this band using poor ticket sales as an excuse not to perform.

seanclax

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

dugangsxr said:

I Only had the travel two hours to Indianapolis to see them And as soon as I arrive, the show got canceled. I thought that sucked! I couldn’t imagine imagine of one to another country and pay all those fees/cost & the show getting canceled. I feel your alls pain. Hopefully shit gets better/resolved! 

I’d rather go to Berlin than Indy. Great city to explore. 

Not in the rain 🤣
I'm going to barca on Friday for some sunshine and hopefully a few shows

kramer73

Inexcusable?  I hope you never get sick.  

This post is a joke.  

pdalowsky

seanclax said:

DL136722 said:

seanclax said:

DL136722 said:

I was more referring to London and Berlin, the canceled shows 

London wouldn't of sold out in a million years.

I feel you're missing the point which is IF the London show and Berlin shows sold out, would they have canceled? Again, we'll never know but with the complexities of insurance policies who knows how all this has to work out on the business side of things. Just hope all involved are getting better and doing well. 

Oh yes I did your point.
I went to Manchester and vedder was clearly struggling. Covid is rife in Ireland right now so I think the illness is legit. I really can't see this band using poor ticket sales as an excuse not to perform.

Exactly this, the London show in 2018 was a sell out - cancelled, the shows in 2022 were sold out - cancelled......

its pretty insulting in my view to suggest they pulled these shows for anything other than illness. It was plain to see at Manchester that Ed was in a bad way

seanclax

kramer73 said:

Inexcusable?  I hope you never get sick.  

This post is a joke.  

Still don't know what this guy was on about 

MikeDigs

seanclax said:

kramer73 said:

Inexcusable?  I hope you never get sick.  

This post is a joke.  

Still don't know what this guy was on about 

I think he was saying that the COVID virus itself should show more respect, cuz you know, traveling fans

Adam Hewett

Sorry if I've missed the information I'm curious about here, but was Berlin selling badly as well? I know London looked pretty dire, empty seat-wise.

DL136722

MikeDigs said:

seanclax said:

kramer73 said:

Inexcusable?  I hope you never get sick.  

This post is a joke.  

Still don't know what this guy was on about 

I think he was saying that the COVID virus itself should show more respect, cuz you know, traveling fans

Fantastic 🤣

seanclax

MikeDigs said:

seanclax said:

kramer73 said:

Inexcusable?  I hope you never get sick.  

This post is a joke.  

Still don't know what this guy was on about 

I think he was saying that the COVID virus itself should show more respect, cuz you know, traveling fans

Well he may be onto something 🤣