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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,488
    After watching Biden anyone cutting Biden voters out of your life? 

    In reality losing the 30% crazies on each side an living with the 40% in the middle is a dream 
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,294
    After watching Biden anyone cutting Biden voters out of your life? 

    In reality losing the 30% crazies on each side an living with the 40% in the middle is a dream 
    This.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,305
    Why would anyone cut a Brandon supporter out of their life? Because Brandon is old? It’s not a same-same comparison. By any stretch. But keep trying.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,283
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    None, not any more.  And I'm not taking any bait either.  Don't do it.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,305
    Brandon, with 25% of his mental capacity, would still be a better man of character and presidential leadership than POOTWH when he was 35.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,283
    Brandon, with 25% of his mental capacity, would still be a better man of character and presidential leadership than POOTWH when he was 35.

    Agreed, 100%.

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,488
    brianlux said:
    Brandon, with 25% of his mental capacity, would still be a better man of character and presidential leadership than POOTWH when he was 35.

    Agreed, 100%.

    Seemed more like 10% of his mental capacity to me, and tbh I never thought Biden had a very high mental capacity to begin with.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,283
    brianlux said:
    Brandon, with 25% of his mental capacity, would still be a better man of character and presidential leadership than POOTWH when he was 35.

    Agreed, 100%.

    Seemed more like 10% of his mental capacity to me, and tbh I never thought Biden had a very high mental capacity to begin with.

    Whatever the figure, Cincy, I still have to say I agree with the " would still be a better man of character and presidential leadership than POOTWH when he was 35" part.  For me, Trump is still the lesser choice by a long shot.  If Biden is re-elected and did nothing for four years but be a puppet leader, at least we would still have a chance of saving democracy.  If Trump wins, we can all kiss our freedoms and democracy as the American way of living goodbye.  Not to mention Trump would kill the last chance for the planet to remain hospitable for humans.  It all comes down to that.
    This is endgame shit.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,169
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Brandon, with 25% of his mental capacity, would still be a better man of character and presidential leadership than POOTWH when he was 35.

    Agreed, 100%.

    Seemed more like 10% of his mental capacity to me, and tbh I never thought Biden had a very high mental capacity to begin with.

    Whatever the figure, Cincy, I still have to say I agree with the " would still be a better man of character and presidential leadership than POOTWH when he was 35" part.  For me, Trump is still the lesser choice by a long shot.  If Biden is re-elected and did nothing for four years but be a puppet leader, at least we would still have a chance of saving democracy.  If Trump wins, we can all kiss our freedoms and democracy as the American way of living goodbye.  Not to mention Trump would kill the last chance for the planet to remain hospitable for humans.  It all comes down to that.
    This is endgame shit.
    I was thinking... it's such a blunder on the Biden campaign side to have not had ads focused exclusively on Donald Trump surrounding himself with the worst so far. They could've been propping up Biden's cabinet selections and results, while showing that Trump can only get corrupt whack jobs to join his cabinet. I think that could've been a good contrast that doesn't require the candidates to be overly strong on their own.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,283
    benjs said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Brandon, with 25% of his mental capacity, would still be a better man of character and presidential leadership than POOTWH when he was 35.

    Agreed, 100%.

    Seemed more like 10% of his mental capacity to me, and tbh I never thought Biden had a very high mental capacity to begin with.

    Whatever the figure, Cincy, I still have to say I agree with the " would still be a better man of character and presidential leadership than POOTWH when he was 35" part.  For me, Trump is still the lesser choice by a long shot.  If Biden is re-elected and did nothing for four years but be a puppet leader, at least we would still have a chance of saving democracy.  If Trump wins, we can all kiss our freedoms and democracy as the American way of living goodbye.  Not to mention Trump would kill the last chance for the planet to remain hospitable for humans.  It all comes down to that.
    This is endgame shit.
    I was thinking... it's such a blunder on the Biden campaign side to have not had ads focused exclusively on Donald Trump surrounding himself with the worst so far. They could've been propping up Biden's cabinet selections and results, while showing that Trump can only get corrupt whack jobs to join his cabinet. I think that could've been a good contrast that doesn't require the candidates to be overly strong on their own.

    Good point, Ben.  People like Heather Cox Richardson and Dan Rather have been pointing out some of those things, but the campaign could do more that way.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    After watching Biden anyone cutting Biden voters out of your life? 

    In reality losing the 30% crazies on each side an living with the 40% in the middle is a dream 
    The pushing of “both sides are the same” is one reason we ended up with Trump. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,305
    After watching Biden anyone cutting Biden voters out of your life? 

    In reality losing the 30% crazies on each side an living with the 40% in the middle is a dream 
    The pushing of “both sides are the same” is one reason we ended up with Trump. 
    The left doesn’t have 30% “crazies,” not even close. I have yet to see a Brandon wrapped F350, or Prius for that matter. Hell, a bike or skateboard even. Not to mention Brandon rolling coal and boat parades. But you know, same-same.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,171
    After watching Biden anyone cutting Biden voters out of your life? 

    In reality losing the 30% crazies on each side an living with the 40% in the middle is a dream 
    The pushing of “both sides are the same” is one reason we ended up with Trump. 
    The left doesn’t have 30% “crazies,” not even close. I have yet to see a Brandon wrapped F350, or Prius for that matter. Hell, a bike or skateboard even. Not to mention Brandon rolling coal and boat parades. But you know, same-same.
    And just the fact that there’s all these stories and responses in the press about people wanting to replace Biden before the election is just another example of both sides not being the same. No chance in hell there’s ever anything about replacing Trump. 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,488
    After watching Biden anyone cutting Biden voters out of your life? 

    In reality losing the 30% crazies on each side an living with the 40% in the middle is a dream 
    The pushing of “both sides are the same” is one reason we ended up with Trump. 
    There are very different diagnosis of crazy. But anyone that watched that debate and thought Biden was good makes the list for sure 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,305
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    Wrong thread
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  • We All BelieveWe All Believe Scarsdale, NY Posts: 594
    After watching Biden anyone cutting Biden voters out of your life? 

    In reality losing the 30% crazies on each side an living with the 40% in the middle is a dream 
    The pushing of “both sides are the same” is one reason we ended up with Trump. 
    There are very different diagnosis of crazy. But anyone that watched that debate and thought Biden was good makes the list for sure 
    I don't think anyone with half a brain thought he had a good debate. He looked and sounded like a White Walker that was headed for Winterfell. But give me him over the orange lunatic.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,488
    After watching Biden anyone cutting Biden voters out of your life? 

    In reality losing the 30% crazies on each side an living with the 40% in the middle is a dream 
    The pushing of “both sides are the same” is one reason we ended up with Trump. 
    There are very different diagnosis of crazy. But anyone that watched that debate and thought Biden was good makes the list for sure 
    I don't think anyone with half a brain thought he had a good debate. He looked and sounded like a White Walker that was headed for Winterfell. But give me him over the orange lunatic.
    It’s not really a choice for me. Can’t vote for Trump so Biden it is. 

    I will say that the liberal comeback to  “both side are the same” or anything that makes them think they hear that is why we have a dead Joe Biden running for president 
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,129
    edited June 29
    I don't know politics but I saw that debate. Man. 
    It's being stuck between a rock and a hard place as my mum used to say.
    Naïve question but can the Boden team not put a young candidate in now and easily beat trump. The cognitive decline of Biden is handing trump votes he would not be getting if someone was standing against him that could articulate them self at least. It was just sad to watch someone suffer like that . Felt cruel of his family to allow him to be humiliated.
    I don't know why can have younger people to vote for
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  • We All BelieveWe All Believe Scarsdale, NY Posts: 594
    I don't know politics but I saw that debate. Man. 
    It's being stuck between a rock and a hard place as my mum used to say.
    Naïve question but can the Boden team not put a young candidate in now and easily beat trump. The cognitive decline of Biden is handing trump votes he would not be getting if someone was standing against him that could articulate them self at least. It was just sad to watch someone suffer like that . Felt cruel of his family to allow him to be humiliated.
    I don't know why can have younger people to vote for
    It is, technically, possible for Biden to be replaced at this point, but it would be difficult. He would make the process a lot easier if he voluntarily stepped aside. Either way, there are a lot of moving parts to get to someone else, but it can be done.
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,129
    It's so painful because trump is a clown and the public have to choose a clown or someone not capable so both not capable 
     Mad situation to end up in. 
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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,990
    I don't know politics but I saw that debate. Man. 
    It's being stuck between a rock and a hard place as my mum used to say.
    Naïve question but can the Boden team not put a young candidate in now and easily beat trump. The cognitive decline of Biden is handing trump votes he would not be getting if someone was standing against him that could articulate them self at least. It was just sad to watch someone suffer like that . Felt cruel of his family to allow him to be humiliated.
    I don't know why can have younger people to vote for

    Joe is old. He had a bad night. He also stutters, which makes him prone to misspeak or speak more haltingly than you might expect.

    I wish he was younger (and as I keep saying, I wish I was younger, but here we are). All of that said, we can't extrapolate from all of that that he's having cognitive issues.
    At the end of the day, one of our candidates is really old; the other is really old and a lunatic and a criminal. (The third option, RFK Jr., is old and literally has brain worms.) The choices are not optimal -- and yet it seems like an easy choice to me.

    We are awash in hot takes and backup options  (I'll keep saying it: stop already with Gavin Newsom as the replacement option). My best guesses:

    1)  There will be a behind the scenes meeting or twelve this weekend, wherein the Democratic leadership will weigh options, have serious conversations, and, fingers crossed, present their plan early next week -- as a unified group. That could mean sticking with Biden and noting that the other guy just stood there and made shit up for two hours, or it could mean going with Josh Shapiro, who knows? Unity will be key, in my opinion.

    2) Everyone will have more or less forgotten about the debate by Tuesday, as fallout from the remaining Supreme Court decisions, including that pesky "presidential immunity" case, will overwhelm the news cycle. (Those decisions are expected on Monday, I think.)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,283
    I don't know politics but I saw that debate. Man. 
    It's being stuck between a rock and a hard place as my mum used to say.
    Naïve question but can the Boden team not put a young candidate in now and easily beat trump. The cognitive decline of Biden is handing trump votes he would not be getting if someone was standing against him that could articulate them self at least. It was just sad to watch someone suffer like that . Felt cruel of his family to allow him to be humiliated.
    I don't know why can have younger people to vote for
    It is, technically, possible for Biden to be replaced at this point, but it would be difficult. He would make the process a lot easier if he voluntarily stepped aside. Either way, there are a lot of moving parts to get to someone else, but it can be done.
    I agree.  I think we are too far in.
    I don't know politics but I saw that debate. Man. 
    It's being stuck between a rock and a hard place as my mum used to say.
    Naïve question but can the Boden team not put a young candidate in now and easily beat trump. The cognitive decline of Biden is handing trump votes he would not be getting if someone was standing against him that could articulate them self at least. It was just sad to watch someone suffer like that . Felt cruel of his family to allow him to be humiliated.
    I don't know why can have younger people to vote for

    Joe is old. He had a bad night. He also stutters, which makes him prone to misspeak or speak more haltingly than you might expect.

    I wish he was younger (and as I keep saying, I wish I was younger, but here we are). All of that said, we can't extrapolate from all of that that he's having cognitive issues.
    At the end of the day, one of our candidates is really old; the other is really old and a lunatic and a criminal. (The third option, RFK Jr., is old and literally has brain worms.) The choices are not optimal -- and yet it seems like an easy choice to me.

    We are awash in hot takes and backup options  (I'll keep saying it: stop already with Gavin Newsom as the replacement option). My best guesses:

    1)  There will be a behind the scenes meeting or twelve this weekend, wherein the Democratic leadership will weigh options, have serious conversations, and, fingers crossed, present their plan early next week -- as a unified group. That could mean sticking with Biden and noting that the other guy just stood there and made shit up for two hours, or it could mean going with Josh Shapiro, who knows? Unity will be key, in my opinion.

    2) Everyone will have more or less forgotten about the debate by Tuesday, as fallout from the remaining Supreme Court decisions, including that pesky "presidential immunity" case, will overwhelm the news cycle. (Those decisions are expected on Monday, I think.)

    Excellent summation, C. 
    I agree that about Newsom.  He has plainly stated his continued support for Biden.  His running in not going to happen.
    I also agree that the choices are not optimal, and I don't believe they are going to change.  Biden made it clear yesterday that he is  going forward, and that he is in it to the day of the election.  

    So the choice is simple:  An old man who desires to keep democracy alive and who care about the strong foundations of the country, or an old man who is a pathological liar, a narcissist, a felon, a misogynist, and a megalomaniac who cares only about his own massively huge and distorted ego.  The choice is simple.
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  • lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 14,129
    But the whole world can see that because of bidens state trump will win. It's detrimental to have him there it's lose lose. The party needs to be bold and help the world . Trump is a disaster for everyone 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,283
    edited June 29
    But the whole world can see that because of bidens state trump will win. It's detrimental to have him there it's lose lose. The party needs to be bold and help the world . Trump is a disaster for everyone 

    The problem is, you nor I nor anyone but Biden can make him drop out of the race, and I don't see any indication of him wanting to do that.  Joe will do just fine.  Remember, he is the kind of man who will listen to advisors.  And Trumps mental state is also dysfunctional in other ways, PLUS he will not listen to anyone but his own twisted self.

    I think we need to do the logical thing and stand behind Biden.
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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,990
    It sounds like there is a meeting happening, as I expected. So we will see.

    But, lastexit, I share your concern, as I'm sure most if not all European leaders do, but -- this will be ancient history by November. So many things could happen between now and then, good or bad, that it's hard to say how much of an impact this will have on the outcome. Most voters already have made up their minds. This election will be decided on the margins, by swing voters in swing states; it will come down to what matters more for them -- concern about Biden's age, or general loathing of the other guy's manifest unfitness for the role?
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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,990
    brianlux said:


    I think we need to do the logical thing and stand behind Biden.

    Or, more specifically, we need to stand against the former guy. As a Bulwark person, "we" tend to talk about forming not a pro-Biden coalition (although I'm a Biden fan) but a pro-democracy, anti-T*&^p coalition.
    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,283
    brianlux said:


    I think we need to do the logical thing and stand behind Biden.

    Or, more specifically, we need to stand against the former guy. As a Bulwark person, "we" tend to talk about forming not a pro-Biden coalition (although I'm a Biden fan) but a pro-democracy, anti-T*&^p coalition.

    This!
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    edited June 29
    this is not trump vs biden.

    this is trump vs women's rights

    trump vs the economy/capitalism

    trump vs lqbtq rights

    trump vs the american way/republic/democracy

    trump vs the rule of law

    trump vs nato

    trump vs peace and order


    biden, and democratic voters, are the only things standing in the way of trump and fascism. this is how it should be framed in every single ad. this is what the talking point should be.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,283
    this is not trump vs biden.

    this is trump vs women's rights

    trump vs the economy/capitalism

    trump vs lqbtq rights

    trump vs the american way/republic/democracy

    trump vs the rule of law

    trump vs nato

    trump vs peace and order


    biden, and democratic voters, are the only things standing in the way of trump and fascism. this is how it should be framed in every single ad. this is what the talking point should be.

    You are the man, gimme.  I always love how you nail it right on.  Thank you!
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