The Official 2025 Tour Rumor Thread

danofun

I know PJ loves playing Europe, but after this last summer's ticket fiasco, I'm not sure why they'd return in 2025. Give the market a few years to rebuild that "want." They can play an arena tour in midwest and northeast USA, sellout the entire tour in seconds, and minimize the travel they so desperately want to avoid.

I for one am just hoping we have the opportunity to see them somewhere in 2025!

Get_Right

Lerxst1992 said:

Zen23 said:

dottles said:

Zen23 said:

Tickets for Bruce in Europe are currently on sale. Tickets for Germany have started at 76 €. In Italy at 69 €. In the Czech Republic at 54 €. I sincerely hope that both those responsible for the Pearl Jam company and those who have defended 175 € as a uniform standard price for a concert in Europe with the words "inflation" and "perfectly normal for a band of this size" have learned something from the year 2024.

I’m not sure how many actually paid that price, and for what seats/view you’d get. 

(...) 

I completely agree that the prices PJ asked for last tour were ridiculous in Europe, as they saw in terms of sales. However; let’s not pretend that others aren’t also making money in this market. 

Absolutely right. Both are out of the question.

For the cheapest ticket category, you will be seated at the back of the upper tier. But at least you're there. Even if you don't have that much money, you at least get the opportunity right from the start of the presale. As someone who took part in the presale, I can confirm first-hand that I was able to choose freely from all five standard seating categories. From around 80 to 190 €. In Berlin, for example, you could get good seats slightly to the side of the stage in the lower rows of the upper tier for around 110 €. If you wanted to go to the lower tier, you of course had to pay 150 € or more.

With the comparison to Bruce, I didn't want to give the impression that other artists are merciful, generous people who don't care about money at all. But to stay with the Bruce example, two things are different. Firstly, he openly admits that he wants to supplement his pension with the sometimes hefty ticket prices. Secondly, all the artists I know offer seats at a staggered price based on the value of the seat. Even as a Pearl Jam fan, you have to be honest with yourself and admit that Mr. Vedder's explanation that you have to charge a standard unit price of 175 € to go on tour at all just doesn't fit.

The issue with PJ shows, as opposed to Bruce, is Mr Vedder wants to dictate who sits where. Tiered  pricing with much  cheaper tickets gets in the way of that.

For better or worse, I think it is just a way to balance their fee for a show and capture some of the secondary market revenue. Is it better to charge $400 for the good seats and $79 for the rafters? Or charge everyone the same price? It all averages out and that is what they did. Imagine the outrage if the close 100s sections were $400. The secondary market balanced that out for Europe last time around. You could get in for cheap so why did very few people go? That is the bigger question.

tino_11

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Zen23 said:

dottles said:

Zen23 said:

Tickets for Bruce in Europe are currently on sale. Tickets for Germany have started at 76 €. In Italy at 69 €. In the Czech Republic at 54 €. I sincerely hope that both those responsible for the Pearl Jam company and those who have defended 175 € as a uniform standard price for a concert in Europe with the words "inflation" and "perfectly normal for a band of this size" have learned something from the year 2024.

I’m not sure how many actually paid that price, and for what seats/view you’d get. 

(...) 

I completely agree that the prices PJ asked for last tour were ridiculous in Europe, as they saw in terms of sales. However; let’s not pretend that others aren’t also making money in this market. 

Absolutely right. Both are out of the question.

For the cheapest ticket category, you will be seated at the back of the upper tier. But at least you're there. Even if you don't have that much money, you at least get the opportunity right from the start of the presale. As someone who took part in the presale, I can confirm first-hand that I was able to choose freely from all five standard seating categories. From around 80 to 190 €. In Berlin, for example, you could get good seats slightly to the side of the stage in the lower rows of the upper tier for around 110 €. If you wanted to go to the lower tier, you of course had to pay 150 € or more.

With the comparison to Bruce, I didn't want to give the impression that other artists are merciful, generous people who don't care about money at all. But to stay with the Bruce example, two things are different. Firstly, he openly admits that he wants to supplement his pension with the sometimes hefty ticket prices. Secondly, all the artists I know offer seats at a staggered price based on the value of the seat. Even as a Pearl Jam fan, you have to be honest with yourself and admit that Mr. Vedder's explanation that you have to charge a standard unit price of 175 € to go on tour at all just doesn't fit.

The issue with PJ shows, as opposed to Bruce, is Mr Vedder wants to dictate who sits where. Tiered  pricing with much  cheaper tickets gets in the way of that.

For better or worse, I think it is just a way to balance their fee for a show and capture some of the secondary market revenue. Is it better to charge $400 for the good seats and $79 for the rafters? Or charge everyone the same price? It all averages out and that is what they did. Imagine the outrage if the close 100s sections were $400. The secondary market balanced that out for Europe last time around. You could get in for cheap so why did very few people go? That is the bigger question.

Because most people look at the initial prices and decide they’re not paying them and move on with their lives. They’re not checking back every week to see if prices have dropped. 

Also, travel and hotels, in the UK at least, is more expensive the closer you are to the travel date. So whilst you might save on tickets, you’ll pay more in other ways. 

If PJ went back to 2022 prices (adjusted for inflation) with dates release at start of December, you’d see ticket sales in Europe like they’ve had in all previous years.

Get_Right

tino_11 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Zen23 said:

dottles said:

Zen23 said:

Tickets for Bruce in Europe are currently on sale. Tickets for Germany have started at 76 €. In Italy at 69 €. In the Czech Republic at 54 €. I sincerely hope that both those responsible for the Pearl Jam company and those who have defended 175 € as a uniform standard price for a concert in Europe with the words "inflation" and "perfectly normal for a band of this size" have learned something from the year 2024.

I’m not sure how many actually paid that price, and for what seats/view you’d get. 

(...) 

I completely agree that the prices PJ asked for last tour were ridiculous in Europe, as they saw in terms of sales. However; let’s not pretend that others aren’t also making money in this market. 

Absolutely right. Both are out of the question.

For the cheapest ticket category, you will be seated at the back of the upper tier. But at least you're there. Even if you don't have that much money, you at least get the opportunity right from the start of the presale. As someone who took part in the presale, I can confirm first-hand that I was able to choose freely from all five standard seating categories. From around 80 to 190 €. In Berlin, for example, you could get good seats slightly to the side of the stage in the lower rows of the upper tier for around 110 €. If you wanted to go to the lower tier, you of course had to pay 150 € or more.

With the comparison to Bruce, I didn't want to give the impression that other artists are merciful, generous people who don't care about money at all. But to stay with the Bruce example, two things are different. Firstly, he openly admits that he wants to supplement his pension with the sometimes hefty ticket prices. Secondly, all the artists I know offer seats at a staggered price based on the value of the seat. Even as a Pearl Jam fan, you have to be honest with yourself and admit that Mr. Vedder's explanation that you have to charge a standard unit price of 175 € to go on tour at all just doesn't fit.

The issue with PJ shows, as opposed to Bruce, is Mr Vedder wants to dictate who sits where. Tiered  pricing with much  cheaper tickets gets in the way of that.

For better or worse, I think it is just a way to balance their fee for a show and capture some of the secondary market revenue. Is it better to charge $400 for the good seats and $79 for the rafters? Or charge everyone the same price? It all averages out and that is what they did. Imagine the outrage if the close 100s sections were $400. The secondary market balanced that out for Europe last time around. You could get in for cheap so why did very few people go? That is the bigger question.

Because most people look at the initial prices and decide they’re not paying them and move on with their lives. They’re not checking back every week to see if prices have dropped. 

Also, travel and hotels, in the UK at least, is more expensive the closer you are to the travel date. So whilst you might save on tickets, you’ll pay more in other ways. 

If PJ went back to 2022 prices (adjusted for inflation) with dates release at start of December, you’d see ticket sales in Europe like they’ve had in all previous years.

If you want to see a show, you book refundable travel and hotels when it is announced, or even before an announcement based on rumors. Tickets can always be had and travel is refundable (except for maybe a cancellation fee). Going to see Pearl Jam without 10c tix means you have to check prices every week, or even every day as the show approaches. You can get into most shows for a reasonable price with a bit of effort. If you decide on last minute travel then yes, you will pay more. That is on you. Tickets for the Europe tour were available for cheap prices and yet there were few buyers.

ilockyer

danofun said:

I know PJ loves playing Europe, but after this last summer's ticket fiasco, I'm not sure why they'd return in 2025. Give the market a few years to rebuild that "want." They can play an arena tour in midwest and northeast USA, sellout the entire tour in seconds, and minimize the travel they so desperately want to avoid.

I for one am just hoping we have the opportunity to see them somewhere in 2025!

I don't think it's an issue of people not wanting to see Pearl Jam in Europe. I think it's mostly to do wth the hike in pricing (which I am fully aware brings what we pay in Europe in line with the US) and the fact that they announced their tour way after everyone else and people already had made plans for other shows/travel etc. I know of many who would like to have seen more but they'd already made plans, booked flights/hotels etc around other stuff and just had no leave/money left when the tour was finally announced.

njhaley1

Get_Right said:

tino_11 said:

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Zen23 said:

dottles said:

Zen23 said:

Tickets for Bruce in Europe are currently on sale. Tickets for Germany have started at 76 €. In Italy at 69 €. In the Czech Republic at 54 €. I sincerely hope that both those responsible for the Pearl Jam company and those who have defended 175 € as a uniform standard price for a concert in Europe with the words "inflation" and "perfectly normal for a band of this size" have learned something from the year 2024.

I’m not sure how many actually paid that price, and for what seats/view you’d get. 

(...) 

I completely agree that the prices PJ asked for last tour were ridiculous in Europe, as they saw in terms of sales. However; let’s not pretend that others aren’t also making money in this market. 

Absolutely right. Both are out of the question.

For the cheapest ticket category, you will be seated at the back of the upper tier. But at least you're there. Even if you don't have that much money, you at least get the opportunity right from the start of the presale. As someone who took part in the presale, I can confirm first-hand that I was able to choose freely from all five standard seating categories. From around 80 to 190 €. In Berlin, for example, you could get good seats slightly to the side of the stage in the lower rows of the upper tier for around 110 €. If you wanted to go to the lower tier, you of course had to pay 150 € or more.

With the comparison to Bruce, I didn't want to give the impression that other artists are merciful, generous people who don't care about money at all. But to stay with the Bruce example, two things are different. Firstly, he openly admits that he wants to supplement his pension with the sometimes hefty ticket prices. Secondly, all the artists I know offer seats at a staggered price based on the value of the seat. Even as a Pearl Jam fan, you have to be honest with yourself and admit that Mr. Vedder's explanation that you have to charge a standard unit price of 175 € to go on tour at all just doesn't fit.

The issue with PJ shows, as opposed to Bruce, is Mr Vedder wants to dictate who sits where. Tiered  pricing with much  cheaper tickets gets in the way of that.

For better or worse, I think it is just a way to balance their fee for a show and capture some of the secondary market revenue. Is it better to charge $400 for the good seats and $79 for the rafters? Or charge everyone the same price? It all averages out and that is what they did. Imagine the outrage if the close 100s sections were $400. The secondary market balanced that out for Europe last time around. You could get in for cheap so why did very few people go? That is the bigger question.

Because most people look at the initial prices and decide they’re not paying them and move on with their lives. They’re not checking back every week to see if prices have dropped. 

Also, travel and hotels, in the UK at least, is more expensive the closer you are to the travel date. So whilst you might save on tickets, you’ll pay more in other ways. 

If PJ went back to 2022 prices (adjusted for inflation) with dates release at start of December, you’d see ticket sales in Europe like they’ve had in all previous years.

If you want to see a show, you book refundable travel and hotels when it is announced, or even before an announcement based on rumors. 

If you're a die hard fan , yes.  If you're a casual fan - which I'd guess 50-75% of the audience is, then no.  

pjl44

Get_Right said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Zen23 said:

dottles said:

Zen23 said:

Tickets for Bruce in Europe are currently on sale. Tickets for Germany have started at 76 €. In Italy at 69 €. In the Czech Republic at 54 €. I sincerely hope that both those responsible for the Pearl Jam company and those who have defended 175 € as a uniform standard price for a concert in Europe with the words "inflation" and "perfectly normal for a band of this size" have learned something from the year 2024.

I’m not sure how many actually paid that price, and for what seats/view you’d get. 

(...) 

I completely agree that the prices PJ asked for last tour were ridiculous in Europe, as they saw in terms of sales. However; let’s not pretend that others aren’t also making money in this market. 

Absolutely right. Both are out of the question.

For the cheapest ticket category, you will be seated at the back of the upper tier. But at least you're there. Even if you don't have that much money, you at least get the opportunity right from the start of the presale. As someone who took part in the presale, I can confirm first-hand that I was able to choose freely from all five standard seating categories. From around 80 to 190 €. In Berlin, for example, you could get good seats slightly to the side of the stage in the lower rows of the upper tier for around 110 €. If you wanted to go to the lower tier, you of course had to pay 150 € or more.

With the comparison to Bruce, I didn't want to give the impression that other artists are merciful, generous people who don't care about money at all. But to stay with the Bruce example, two things are different. Firstly, he openly admits that he wants to supplement his pension with the sometimes hefty ticket prices. Secondly, all the artists I know offer seats at a staggered price based on the value of the seat. Even as a Pearl Jam fan, you have to be honest with yourself and admit that Mr. Vedder's explanation that you have to charge a standard unit price of 175 € to go on tour at all just doesn't fit.

The issue with PJ shows, as opposed to Bruce, is Mr Vedder wants to dictate who sits where. Tiered  pricing with much  cheaper tickets gets in the way of that.

For better or worse, I think it is just a way to balance their fee for a show and capture some of the secondary market revenue. Is it better to charge $400 for the good seats and $79 for the rafters? Or charge everyone the same price? It all averages out and that is what they did. Imagine the outrage if the close 100s sections were $400. The secondary market balanced that out for Europe last time around. You could get in for cheap so why did very few people go? That is the bigger question.

It's definitely an anomaly for a band to charge the same or only slightly less for rear balcony vs front floor.

I appreciate everything they've done for 10C members over the years but the headwinds are so strong that I won't be upset if they eventually have to cave on some of this stuff.

hihobibo

SandyRavage said:

What about Miami and Tampa/Jacksonville? Orlando seems like its never on anyones tour itinerary anymore 

Orlando has poor venues. Camping World is the worst. I saw one show at the basketball arena and it was small and had bad acoustics. And the other places also seem too small for a headlining band.  

Tampa has so many more options for indoor/outdoor venues of all different sizes. Amphitheatre, Raymond James Stadium, Amalie Arena, Mahaffey, Ruth Eckard, the Sound, etc....I think that is why Orlando doesn't get all the big names any longer. 

MikeDigs

If I had to pick one FL location for a Pearl Jam show in 2025, I'd def go with Miami.  PJ35 / Pearl Jam Week style (3 nights)

marumaruko

danofun said:

I know PJ loves playing Europe, but after this last summer's ticket fiasco, I'm not sure why they'd return in 2025. Give the market a few years to rebuild that "want." They can play an arena tour in midwest and northeast USA, sellout the entire tour in seconds, and minimize the travel they so desperately want to avoid.

I for one am just hoping we have the opportunity to see them somewhere in 2025!

 Staying away is not rebuilding the market. Quite the opposite. Look at what happened to the Japanese market — it’s dead.

Flights in Europe have also become really expensive, so travelling to shows isn’t as easy as it was a few years ago. They need to spread out shows more. Germany has some of the highest flight prices, and budget airlines are reducing flights largely due to airport fees. Other countries are doing a bit better in that regard, but if you plan two shows in Berlin and expect half of Europe to travel there, you’re mistaken. This is all on top of ridiculously high ticket prices.

Haijay

marumaruko said:

danofun said:

I know PJ loves playing Europe, but after this last summer's ticket fiasco, I'm not sure why they'd return in 2025. Give the market a few years to rebuild that "want." They can play an arena tour in midwest and northeast USA, sellout the entire tour in seconds, and minimize the travel they so desperately want to avoid.

I for one am just hoping we have the opportunity to see them somewhere in 2025!

 Staying away is not rebuilding the market. Quite the opposite. Look at what happened to the Japanese market — it’s dead.

Flights in Europe have also become really expensive, so travelling to shows isn’t as easy as it was a few years ago. They need to spread out shows more. Germany has some of the highest flight prices, and budget airlines are reducing flights largely due to airport fees. Other countries are doing a bit better in that regard, but if you plan two shows in Berlin and expect half of Europe to travel there, you’re mistaken. This is all on top of ridiculously high ticket prices.

How do you know Japan is dead? I wonder what would happen if they decided to go to Japan, Taiwan, and some other countries like that. 

Go Animal

hihobibo said:

SandyRavage said:

What about Miami and Tampa/Jacksonville? Orlando seems like its never on anyones tour itinerary anymore 

Orlando has poor venues. Camping World is the worst. I saw one show at the basketball arena and it was small and had bad acoustics. And the other places also seem too small for a headlining band.  

Tampa has so many more options for indoor/outdoor venues of all different sizes. Amphitheatre, Raymond James Stadium, Amalie Arena, Mahaffey, Ruth Eckard, the Sound, etc....I think that is why Orlando doesn't get all the big names any longer. 

Shooting myself in the foot here (since Orlando is close), but you're not wrong. Camping World is held up by duct tape & chewing gum. Kia Center (formerly Amway Arena) is solely owned by the DeVos family (more Amway), and if I'm PJ, I'm not putting any more money in THEIR pockets.

The best bet for Orlando is either the Addition Financial Arena (which can hold 10k like the Moody Center), or another surprise/secret show at HoB.

Otherwise, it's back to Tampa (and I'm good with that - every show there has been solid, or a classic. Go listen!)

yorkshirestone

Just in the Bruce comparison I’m in for all three nights (it’s 45m drive from home so no hotel and train costs) paid the following, fave value and non dynamic - 

co/op live 

- night 1 (14 may) 1st row of 102, lower tier next to stage ) £170
- night 2 (17 may) behind stage seats £150. Saturday night show was toughest to get)
- night 3 (20 may) upper tier block 301, side of stage £109

all these were £160 for pearl jam 

CO278952

hihobibo said:

SandyRavage said:

What about Miami and Tampa/Jacksonville? Orlando seems like its never on anyones tour itinerary anymore 

Orlando has poor venues. Camping World is the worst. I saw one show at the basketball arena and it was small and had bad acoustics. And the other places also seem too small for a headlining band.  

Tampa has so many more options for indoor/outdoor venues of all different sizes. Amphitheatre, Raymond James Stadium, Amalie Arena, Mahaffey, Ruth Eckard, the Sound, etc....I think that is why Orlando doesn't get all the big names any longer. 

Kia Center in Orlando with 18,500 seats is more than adequate for PJ and better than Amalie Arena in terms of acoustics. Deftones are coming in March, Tool has been through there and many others. 

matt84

yorkshirestone said:

Just in the Bruce comparison I’m in for all three nights (it’s 45m drive from home so no hotel and train costs) paid the following, fave value and non dynamic - 

co/op live 

- night 1 (14 may) 1st row of 102, lower tier next to stage ) £170
- night 2 (17 may) behind stage seats £150. Saturday night show was toughest to get)
- night 3 (20 may) upper tier block 301, side of stage £109

all these were £160 for pearl jam 

I tried during two presales, and the general sale yesterday for all three Bruce gigs in Manchester and got nothing. Also couldn’t get standing for Liverpool. 5 UK gigs and after hours of refreshing, nothing. Absolutely gutted.

BlueLedbetter

matt84 said:

yorkshirestone said:

Just in the Bruce comparison I’m in for all three nights (it’s 45m drive from home so no hotel and train costs) paid the following, fave value and non dynamic - 

co/op live 

- night 1 (14 may) 1st row of 102, lower tier next to stage ) £170
- night 2 (17 may) behind stage seats £150. Saturday night show was toughest to get)
- night 3 (20 may) upper tier block 301, side of stage £109

all these were £160 for pearl jam 

I tried during two presales, and the general sale yesterday for all three Bruce gigs in Manchester and got nothing. Also couldn’t get standing for Liverpool. 5 UK gigs and after hours of refreshing, nothing. Absolutely gutted.

There's still tickets for the 14th 

RatherStarved

matt84 said:

yorkshirestone said:

Just in the Bruce comparison I’m in for all three nights (it’s 45m drive from home so no hotel and train costs) paid the following, fave value and non dynamic - 

co/op live 

- night 1 (14 may) 1st row of 102, lower tier next to stage ) £170
- night 2 (17 may) behind stage seats £150. Saturday night show was toughest to get)
- night 3 (20 may) upper tier block 301, side of stage £109

all these were £160 for pearl jam 

I tried during two presales, and the general sale yesterday for all three Bruce gigs in Manchester and got nothing. Also couldn’t get standing for Liverpool. 5 UK gigs and after hours of refreshing, nothing. Absolutely gutted.

Was unable to get anything for 4 Coldplay Toronto shows yesterday.  

matt84

BlueLedbetter said:

matt84 said:

yorkshirestone said:

Just in the Bruce comparison I’m in for all three nights (it’s 45m drive from home so no hotel and train costs) paid the following, fave value and non dynamic - 

co/op live 

- night 1 (14 may) 1st row of 102, lower tier next to stage ) £170
- night 2 (17 may) behind stage seats £150. Saturday night show was toughest to get)
- night 3 (20 may) upper tier block 301, side of stage £109

all these were £160 for pearl jam 

I tried during two presales, and the general sale yesterday for all three Bruce gigs in Manchester and got nothing. Also couldn’t get standing for Liverpool. 5 UK gigs and after hours of refreshing, nothing. Absolutely gutted.

There's still tickets for the 14th 

Sorry I should have specified I was just trying for standing. No way am I paying £100+ for a seat.

marumaruko

How do you know Japan is dead? I wonder what would happen if they decided to go to Japan, Taiwan, and some other countries like that. 

Outside of Tokyo, none of the shows in 03 were even 60% sold out. Sendai was apparently half empty, as was Osaka from what I heard. I lived there between 2014 and early 16 and got heavily involved in the rock concert scene there, but the buzz around Pearl Jam was just not there. Even bands with a stronger Asian following like Incubus or Oasis sell out perhaps 1 or 2 shows in Tokyo and Osaka and that's it. With Pearl Jam's huge touring team this makes hardly sense. 

Haijay

I’ve read the reviews of those shows on five horizons. Outside of Tokyo and Osaka, the other cities and venues were peculiar choices to go to. Who the hell would go to Sendai, Nagoya, or Yokohama? I guess with touring being so expensive, if they cant fill the tokyo dome or osaka dome, not much point of going there.