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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Lifted said:
    MikeDigs said:
    Uh oh.  This isn't what I was expecting.

    I'm going to listen to Leash now to cleanse my ears and restore balance.
    Lol. I can't get over it. I've listened to it probably 10 times today trying to figure out what people are liking. Nope, still terrible. This is pop rock for the dentist office, not the Pearl Jam I love. It's totally bland and boring. They've been sprinkling in this stuff since backspacer, and im fearing they did more than sprinkle with the new album. I thought the first half of gigaton was a return to form, and was hopeful they still had some creative juice left...we'll see what Friday brings, but if this isnt the clear cut worst song on the album, I don't think I'm going to be into it.
    Guys: Vs. isn't coming back. That was over 30 years ago. This is ... kind of what 60-year-old rock bands sound like? I would be so embarrassed if they were still trying to write Blood 2 or something. I'm glad they've softened with age. Most of us do.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Lifted
    Lifted Posts: 1,836
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    MikeDigs said:
    Uh oh.  This isn't what I was expecting.

    I'm going to listen to Leash now to cleanse my ears and restore balance.
    Lol. I can't get over it. I've listened to it probably 10 times today trying to figure out what people are liking. Nope, still terrible. This is pop rock for the dentist office, not the Pearl Jam I love. It's totally bland and boring. They've been sprinkling in this stuff since backspacer, and im fearing they did more than sprinkle with the new album. I thought the first half of gigaton was a return to form, and was hopeful they still had some creative juice left...we'll see what Friday brings, but if this isnt the clear cut worst song on the album, I don't think I'm going to be into it.
    Guys: Vs. isn't coming back. That was over 30 years ago. This is ... kind of what 60-year-old rock bands sound like? I would be so embarrassed if they were still trying to write Blood 2 or something. I'm glad they've softened with age. Most of us do.
    Oh god...this again. This seems to he the default reaction that anyone who doesnt like new material gets from the unofficial gatekeepers. Just because I think the song sucks, doesn't mean I think they should be regurgitating music like they did in the 90s. I'm all for artistic revolution and growth. I just dont think Pearl Jam has been very successful in their attempts to reinvent themselves. I still love them though.

    I'm also a big fan of radiohead/thom Yorke and Wilco...two artists who also came up in a similar Era as Pj, and both of whom I think are still recording brilliant and inspiring music. This pop version of Pearl Jam is just falling flat to me.
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    edited April 2024
    Lifted said:
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    MikeDigs said:
    Uh oh.  This isn't what I was expecting.

    I'm going to listen to Leash now to cleanse my ears and restore balance.
    Lol. I can't get over it. I've listened to it probably 10 times today trying to figure out what people are liking. Nope, still terrible. This is pop rock for the dentist office, not the Pearl Jam I love. It's totally bland and boring. They've been sprinkling in this stuff since backspacer, and im fearing they did more than sprinkle with the new album. I thought the first half of gigaton was a return to form, and was hopeful they still had some creative juice left...we'll see what Friday brings, but if this isnt the clear cut worst song on the album, I don't think I'm going to be into it.
    Guys: Vs. isn't coming back. That was over 30 years ago. This is ... kind of what 60-year-old rock bands sound like? I would be so embarrassed if they were still trying to write Blood 2 or something. I'm glad they've softened with age. Most of us do.
    Oh god...this again. This seems to he the default reaction that anyone who doesnt like new material gets from the unofficial gatekeepers. Just because I think the song sucks, doesn't mean I think they should be regurgitating music like they did in the 90s. I'm all for artistic revolution and growth. I just dont think Pearl Jam has been very successful in their attempts to reinvent themselves. I still love them though.

    I'm also a big fan of radiohead/thom Yorke and Wilco...two artists who also came up in a similar Era as Pj, and both of whom I think are still recording brilliant and inspiring music. This pop version of Pearl Jam is just falling flat to me.
    This is really interesting. My holy trinity of bands are, in order, Pearl Jam, Wilco and Radiohead. I've seen Pearl Jam 70 times. I've seen Wilco 52 times, and Jeff Tweedy almost 100 times (including from the front row four times in five nights just this past week). My first Wilco show was in June 1995. I was a fan when there were very few fans. I attended many sparsely attended Wilco shows in the '90s. So I say this with as much Wilco literacy as a person can have: the three albums released from 2015 to 2019, Star Wars, Schmilco and Ode to Joy are the clear low point in the Wilco catalog. Thankfully, Cruel Country and Cousin reversed the trend. And as much as I love Radiohead, they have released two albums since 2007 and, while those two albums are underappreciated, they are also not at the level of the albums from The Bends through In Rainbows.

    So, mileage varies.

    EDIT: I just noticed you said "Thom Yorke/Radiohead," so you may be referring to his solo work and/or The Smile here, although I still don't think any of that holds a candle to Radiohead's output from 1995 through 2007.
    Post edited by BF25394 on
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Lifted said:
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    MikeDigs said:
    Uh oh.  This isn't what I was expecting.

    I'm going to listen to Leash now to cleanse my ears and restore balance.
    Lol. I can't get over it. I've listened to it probably 10 times today trying to figure out what people are liking. Nope, still terrible. This is pop rock for the dentist office, not the Pearl Jam I love. It's totally bland and boring. They've been sprinkling in this stuff since backspacer, and im fearing they did more than sprinkle with the new album. I thought the first half of gigaton was a return to form, and was hopeful they still had some creative juice left...we'll see what Friday brings, but if this isnt the clear cut worst song on the album, I don't think I'm going to be into it.
    Guys: Vs. isn't coming back. That was over 30 years ago. This is ... kind of what 60-year-old rock bands sound like? I would be so embarrassed if they were still trying to write Blood 2 or something. I'm glad they've softened with age. Most of us do.
    Oh god...this again. This seems to he the default reaction that anyone who doesnt like new material gets from the unofficial gatekeepers. Just because I think the song sucks, doesn't mean I think they should be regurgitating music like they did in the 90s. I'm all for artistic revolution and growth. I just dont think Pearl Jam has been very successful in their attempts to reinvent themselves. I still love them though.

    I'm also a big fan of radiohead/thom Yorke and Wilco...two artists who also came up in a similar Era as Pj, and both of whom I think are still recording brilliant and inspiring music. This pop version of Pearl Jam is just falling flat to me.
    You should have said this the first time. You like your music complicated. I get it. I used to be this way.

    Me, I don't necessarily need to be impressed by my favorite bands anymore. Just moved. A song doesn't have to be complicated to do that to me. Three chords and the truth works, too. 
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Lifted
    Lifted Posts: 1,836
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    MikeDigs said:
    Uh oh.  This isn't what I was expecting.

    I'm going to listen to Leash now to cleanse my ears and restore balance.
    Lol. I can't get over it. I've listened to it probably 10 times today trying to figure out what people are liking. Nope, still terrible. This is pop rock for the dentist office, not the Pearl Jam I love. It's totally bland and boring. They've been sprinkling in this stuff since backspacer, and im fearing they did more than sprinkle with the new album. I thought the first half of gigaton was a return to form, and was hopeful they still had some creative juice left...we'll see what Friday brings, but if this isnt the clear cut worst song on the album, I don't think I'm going to be into it.
    Guys: Vs. isn't coming back. That was over 30 years ago. This is ... kind of what 60-year-old rock bands sound like? I would be so embarrassed if they were still trying to write Blood 2 or something. I'm glad they've softened with age. Most of us do.
    Oh god...this again. This seems to he the default reaction that anyone who doesnt like new material gets from the unofficial gatekeepers. Just because I think the song sucks, doesn't mean I think they should be regurgitating music like they did in the 90s. I'm all for artistic revolution and growth. I just dont think Pearl Jam has been very successful in their attempts to reinvent themselves. I still love them though.

    I'm also a big fan of radiohead/thom Yorke and Wilco...two artists who also came up in a similar Era as Pj, and both of whom I think are still recording brilliant and inspiring music. This pop version of Pearl Jam is just falling flat to me.
    You should have said this the first time. You like your music complicated. I get it. I used to be this way.

    Me, I don't necessarily need to be impressed by my favorite bands anymore. Just moved. A song doesn't have to be complicated to do that to me. Three chords and the truth works, too. 
    No you don't get it. But you are full of assumptions to validate your defensiveness over someone else's opinion of someone else's art for some reason.
  • jimjam1982
    jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,471
    BF25394 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    Just listened for the first time. I hope I like it more within the context of the album. I’m just not into adult contemporary PJ. 
    Not a fan of "Off He Goes"? "Wishlist"? "I Am Mine"? "Elderly Woman Behind the Counter in a Small Town"? "Black"? "Better Man"?
    To be fair, this sounds nothing like any of those.  Those are all singable.  This word salad is not.
  • wiscojam
    wiscojam Appleton Posts: 343
    Lifted said:
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    MikeDigs said:
    Uh oh.  This isn't what I was expecting.

    I'm going to listen to Leash now to cleanse my ears and restore balance.
    Lol. I can't get over it. I've listened to it probably 10 times today trying to figure out what people are liking. Nope, still terrible. This is pop rock for the dentist office, not the Pearl Jam I love. It's totally bland and boring. They've been sprinkling in this stuff since backspacer, and im fearing they did more than sprinkle with the new album. I thought the first half of gigaton was a return to form, and was hopeful they still had some creative juice left...we'll see what Friday brings, but if this isnt the clear cut worst song on the album, I don't think I'm going to be into it.
    Guys: Vs. isn't coming back. That was over 30 years ago. This is ... kind of what 60-year-old rock bands sound like? I would be so embarrassed if they were still trying to write Blood 2 or something. I'm glad they've softened with age. Most of us do.
    Oh god...this again. This seems to he the default reaction that anyone who doesnt like new material gets from the unofficial gatekeepers. Just because I think the song sucks, doesn't mean I think they should be regurgitating music like they did in the 90s. I'm all for artistic revolution and growth. I just dont think Pearl Jam has been very successful in their attempts to reinvent themselves. I still love them though.

    I'm also a big fan of radiohead/thom Yorke and Wilco...two artists who also came up in a similar Era as Pj, and both of whom I think are still recording brilliant and inspiring music. This pop version of Pearl Jam is just falling flat to me.
    define successful.
  • KN219077
    KN219077 Montana Posts: 1,199
    First listen 5/10
  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,631
    Lifted said:
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    MikeDigs said:
    Uh oh.  This isn't what I was expecting.

    I'm going to listen to Leash now to cleanse my ears and restore balance.
    Lol. I can't get over it. I've listened to it probably 10 times today trying to figure out what people are liking. Nope, still terrible. This is pop rock for the dentist office, not the Pearl Jam I love. It's totally bland and boring. They've been sprinkling in this stuff since backspacer, and im fearing they did more than sprinkle with the new album. I thought the first half of gigaton was a return to form, and was hopeful they still had some creative juice left...we'll see what Friday brings, but if this isnt the clear cut worst song on the album, I don't think I'm going to be into it.
    Guys: Vs. isn't coming back. That was over 30 years ago. This is ... kind of what 60-year-old rock bands sound like? I would be so embarrassed if they were still trying to write Blood 2 or something. I'm glad they've softened with age. Most of us do.
    Oh god...this again. This seems to he the default reaction that anyone who doesnt like new material gets from the unofficial gatekeepers. Just because I think the song sucks, doesn't mean I think they should be regurgitating music like they did in the 90s. I'm all for artistic revolution and growth. I just dont think Pearl Jam has been very successful in their attempts to reinvent themselves. I still love them though.

    I'm also a big fan of radiohead/thom Yorke and Wilco...two artists who also came up in a similar Era as Pj, and both of whom I think are still recording brilliant and inspiring music. This pop version of Pearl Jam is just falling flat to me.
    You should have said this the first time. You like your music complicated. I get it. I used to be this way.

    Me, I don't necessarily need to be impressed by my favorite bands anymore. Just moved. A song doesn't have to be complicated to do that to me. Three chords and the truth works, too. 
    No you don't get it. But you are full of assumptions to validate your defensiveness over someone else's opinion of someone else's art for some reason.
    I don't mean any offense on this, because I get it, and not everyone is going to like everything and that is ok. But I think it's probably because you continue to offer your opinion that the song sucks. And to the level in which it sucks.

    Which is fine,  too, but just expect some blowback from people who are genuinely moved by the song. 

    Usually when I love something, I tend to gush over it. When I dislike something, I tend to just not say anything, or give my opinion and move on from it. 
    "This one doesn't hit me."

    Turn this anger into
    Nuclear fission
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    jimjam1982 said:
    BF25394 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    Just listened for the first time. I hope I like it more within the context of the album. I’m just not into adult contemporary PJ. 
    Not a fan of "Off He Goes"? "Wishlist"? "I Am Mine"? "Elderly Woman Behind the Counter in a Small Town"? "Black"? "Better Man"?
    To be fair, this sounds nothing like any of those.  Those are all singable.  This word salad is not.
    You either don't know what the idiom "word salad" means or you don't understand what the song is about. Like the song or not, but to act as if the lyrics aren't perfectly clear is odd and inaccurate. There's nothing confusing about it.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Lifted
    Lifted Posts: 1,836
    wiscojam said:
    Lifted said:
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    MikeDigs said:
    Uh oh.  This isn't what I was expecting.

    I'm going to listen to Leash now to cleanse my ears and restore balance.
    Lol. I can't get over it. I've listened to it probably 10 times today trying to figure out what people are liking. Nope, still terrible. This is pop rock for the dentist office, not the Pearl Jam I love. It's totally bland and boring. They've been sprinkling in this stuff since backspacer, and im fearing they did more than sprinkle with the new album. I thought the first half of gigaton was a return to form, and was hopeful they still had some creative juice left...we'll see what Friday brings, but if this isnt the clear cut worst song on the album, I don't think I'm going to be into it.
    Guys: Vs. isn't coming back. That was over 30 years ago. This is ... kind of what 60-year-old rock bands sound like? I would be so embarrassed if they were still trying to write Blood 2 or something. I'm glad they've softened with age. Most of us do.
    Oh god...this again. This seems to he the default reaction that anyone who doesnt like new material gets from the unofficial gatekeepers. Just because I think the song sucks, doesn't mean I think they should be regurgitating music like they did in the 90s. I'm all for artistic revolution and growth. I just dont think Pearl Jam has been very successful in their attempts to reinvent themselves. I still love them though.

    I'm also a big fan of radiohead/thom Yorke and Wilco...two artists who also came up in a similar Era as Pj, and both of whom I think are still recording brilliant and inspiring music. This pop version of Pearl Jam is just falling flat to me.
    define successful.
    Touche
  • Busch896
    Busch896 Delaware Posts: 60
    edited April 2024
    Definitely different. Over 4-5 listens today I am really liking it. Excited to see how it fits in the album and catalog as a whole. Also wondering where this fits in a live show. Might be too early for this high praise but feels like it could be the first song of an encore?
    Post edited by Busch896 on
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  • Lifted
    Lifted Posts: 1,836
    Vedd Hedd said:
    Lifted said:
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    MikeDigs said:
    Uh oh.  This isn't what I was expecting.

    I'm going to listen to Leash now to cleanse my ears and restore balance.
    Lol. I can't get over it. I've listened to it probably 10 times today trying to figure out what people are liking. Nope, still terrible. This is pop rock for the dentist office, not the Pearl Jam I love. It's totally bland and boring. They've been sprinkling in this stuff since backspacer, and im fearing they did more than sprinkle with the new album. I thought the first half of gigaton was a return to form, and was hopeful they still had some creative juice left...we'll see what Friday brings, but if this isnt the clear cut worst song on the album, I don't think I'm going to be into it.
    Guys: Vs. isn't coming back. That was over 30 years ago. This is ... kind of what 60-year-old rock bands sound like? I would be so embarrassed if they were still trying to write Blood 2 or something. I'm glad they've softened with age. Most of us do.
    Oh god...this again. This seems to he the default reaction that anyone who doesnt like new material gets from the unofficial gatekeepers. Just because I think the song sucks, doesn't mean I think they should be regurgitating music like they did in the 90s. I'm all for artistic revolution and growth. I just dont think Pearl Jam has been very successful in their attempts to reinvent themselves. I still love them though.

    I'm also a big fan of radiohead/thom Yorke and Wilco...two artists who also came up in a similar Era as Pj, and both of whom I think are still recording brilliant and inspiring music. This pop version of Pearl Jam is just falling flat to me.
    You should have said this the first time. You like your music complicated. I get it. I used to be this way.

    Me, I don't necessarily need to be impressed by my favorite bands anymore. Just moved. A song doesn't have to be complicated to do that to me. Three chords and the truth works, too. 
    No you don't get it. But you are full of assumptions to validate your defensiveness over someone else's opinion of someone else's art for some reason.
    I don't mean any offense on this, because I get it, and not everyone is going to like everything and that is ok. But I think it's probably because you continue to offer your opinion that the song sucks. And to the level in which it sucks.

    Which is fine,  too, but just expect some blowback from people who are genuinely moved by the song. 

    Usually when I love something, I tend to gush over it. When I dislike something, I tend to just not say anything, or give my opinion and move on from it. 
    "This one doesn't hit me."

    That's a good point, and im going to lay off of it. I may have gotten a litrle carried away....I just love the band like everyone else on here, so when they put something out that I think is a dud...its extra disappointing to me.

    I was just starting to warm up to dark matter and running. This one, I don't think I'll ever warm up to as it's just not aligned with my taste in any way. Like Sirens cousin or something. 
  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,631
    Lifted said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    Lifted said:
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    slightofjeff said:
    Lifted said:
    MikeDigs said:
    Uh oh.  This isn't what I was expecting.

    I'm going to listen to Leash now to cleanse my ears and restore balance.
    Lol. I can't get over it. I've listened to it probably 10 times today trying to figure out what people are liking. Nope, still terrible. This is pop rock for the dentist office, not the Pearl Jam I love. It's totally bland and boring. They've been sprinkling in this stuff since backspacer, and im fearing they did more than sprinkle with the new album. I thought the first half of gigaton was a return to form, and was hopeful they still had some creative juice left...we'll see what Friday brings, but if this isnt the clear cut worst song on the album, I don't think I'm going to be into it.
    Guys: Vs. isn't coming back. That was over 30 years ago. This is ... kind of what 60-year-old rock bands sound like? I would be so embarrassed if they were still trying to write Blood 2 or something. I'm glad they've softened with age. Most of us do.
    Oh god...this again. This seems to he the default reaction that anyone who doesnt like new material gets from the unofficial gatekeepers. Just because I think the song sucks, doesn't mean I think they should be regurgitating music like they did in the 90s. I'm all for artistic revolution and growth. I just dont think Pearl Jam has been very successful in their attempts to reinvent themselves. I still love them though.

    I'm also a big fan of radiohead/thom Yorke and Wilco...two artists who also came up in a similar Era as Pj, and both of whom I think are still recording brilliant and inspiring music. This pop version of Pearl Jam is just falling flat to me.
    You should have said this the first time. You like your music complicated. I get it. I used to be this way.

    Me, I don't necessarily need to be impressed by my favorite bands anymore. Just moved. A song doesn't have to be complicated to do that to me. Three chords and the truth works, too. 
    No you don't get it. But you are full of assumptions to validate your defensiveness over someone else's opinion of someone else's art for some reason.
    I don't mean any offense on this, because I get it, and not everyone is going to like everything and that is ok. But I think it's probably because you continue to offer your opinion that the song sucks. And to the level in which it sucks.

    Which is fine,  too, but just expect some blowback from people who are genuinely moved by the song. 

    Usually when I love something, I tend to gush over it. When I dislike something, I tend to just not say anything, or give my opinion and move on from it. 
    "This one doesn't hit me."

    That's a good point, and im going to lay off of it. I may have gotten a litrle carried away....I just love the band like everyone else on here, so when they put something out that I think is a dud...its extra disappointing to me.

    I was just starting to warm up to dark matter and running. This one, I don't think I'll ever warm up to as it's just not aligned with my taste in any way. Like Sirens cousin or something. 
    I hear you. I am not a fan of Sirens at all. I like the lyrics, just not the sound. But that said, there is a lot to like on the album and chances are, you'll come away with something, prob a few you can cling to.
    Turn this anger into
    Nuclear fission
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    I was worried when people compared this to Petty. I can understand that, but I don't hear or associate this with Petty at all. I like the song and think it's a good tune. This album is going to be accessible to casual listeners. Some upbeat tempos that have a real summer day vibe. I literally thought of listening to this song with the windows down on a hot summer day last night when I first heard it. Just a flowing groove throughout that builds.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • DB2707
    DB2707 Posts: 67
    I can’t stop hearing Fast Car in it. Must be similar chords. Especially in the beginning. 
  • djjazzy276
    djjazzy276 Posts: 233
    DB2707 said:
    I can’t stop hearing Fast Car in it. Must be similar chords. Especially in the beginning. 
    I totally heard that at the beginning too. 
  • tylermoore
    tylermoore St. Joseph, MI Posts: 1,113
    This is the most I’ve liked a PJ song this much at first listen since something off Backspacer. Not that says much since a lot seem to not like that album, but I did. Point is I think Wreckage is better than anything off LB or Gigaton. Shaping up to be a fantastic album it seems like. Maybe I’m just caught up in the hype 
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,360
    DB2707 said:
    I can’t stop hearing Fast Car in it. Must be similar chords. Especially in the beginning. 
    I don’t think we’re that lucky. That’s one of the greatest songs ever made. 
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  • Mr. Fixer
    Mr. Fixer Posts: 593
    DB2707 said:
    I can’t stop hearing Fast Car in it. Must be similar chords. Especially in the beginning. 
    I completely hear that as well.  

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