Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

pdalowsky

smile6680 said:

Have prices dropped for the European shows yet? I'm curious how ticket sales are doing now.

Doesn't look like tickets are selling well at all at the moment. The London show hasn't changed much in terms of the seats available still.......and the reduction to £92 plus fees to sit on the roof really doesn't appear to have helped. 

Hopefully the album is a banger and grabs some attention, otherwise it could be a bit of a sad state of affairs come gig day

Manchester is 90% sold out it seems, its unlikely it'll reach sell out status with the availability in the upper tier still but once the lights go down that isn't going to be noticeable at all

axeljohan

I think they got much bad PR when ticket sales started, that they won't sell many ticktes in Europe at the moment.

Either you heard about those initial prices and think they are too high and don't bother looking for tickets anymore.
Or you see that they started to reduce prices and you wait for more sections to be reduced.

Zen23

The £92 seats are really only the very last ones in the huge South Stand. This stand alone can hold 17,500 spectators. The remaining rows cost either £125 or £160. That is complete madness. Almost nothing moves there.

smile6680

chrisdrake88 said:

Zen23 said:

Small translation service on my part. The most important passages. Although the title "My ticket, my ruin" and the caption under Mr. Vedder's photo say it all.

"It is first and foremost the artists who determine with their management what income they expect from a tour." Eddie Vedder.

Other interesting points:

With Pearl Jam, however, you have to bear in mind that some of the fans traditionally travel after the band and so have to buy tickets for several concerts. The fan club offers limited special prices for this, but even these are now too expensive for many. Some fans have therefore announced that after decades they will break with the traveling around. They simply couldn't afford it anymore.

"Pearl Jam, you've completely lost your way," wrote British user Chris-Drake88 in a much-noticed post on the official fan club forum. "Unlike before, you are no longer a band of the people." You can find that overly self-pitying, but the question has not been chewed over yet. If even Pearl Jam, who peddle their commitment to inclusive prices and don't offer flying disco horses or LED show stairs, charge over 170 euros for the bad seats - is that really just down to the system? Or what else?

There are no answers from the companies that have organized the group's tours now and in the past. Inquiries as to how the prices were arrived at, whether there is a dynamic pricing principle in Germany (as in the USA) and how ticket companies, promoters and artists divide up the proceeds are rejected or ignored.

Johannes Everke, Managing Director of the Federal Association of the Concert and Event Industry: "It would also be wrong to blame the ticket retailers. First and foremost, it is the artists and their management who determine what revenue they expect from a tour. What the individual tickets cost is then determined by what the organizers and artists agree on in view of the overall costs." This means that Pearl Jam also cross-finance the 200-euro seats in Berlin to a certain extent with the tickets, which the algorithm in the USA sometimes pushes up to over 1000 dollars.

Wow! I had no idea about this! Thanks for the translation. I'm finding it a bit crazy how noticed my little rant has been!

Has anybody noticed that some of the 1000s of unsold seats at Tottenham have been reduced in price over the last few weeks? It's great to know that we have a bit of power when we actually stand up and refuse to be overcharged.  Notably, the reduced tickets are still not selling out, so I wonder if they'll end up dropping prices further to sell out the stadium? I hate the idea of PJ playing to empty seats, I'd still love to see them live this year, and if they can work it out, I would 100% love to be there.

Where is this article from. Just curious who wrote it. I'm also surprised in what appears to be a big difference in demand for tickets in the U.S compared to Europe. 

Zen23

Süddeutsche Zeitung. A very large German daily newspaper. 

smile6680

Zen23 said:

Süddeutsche Zeitung. A very large German daily newspaper. 

Thanks for the reply.

tempo_n_groove

Tim Simmons said:

I always love how Dog collars was the fucking line for merch. Not 12 shirts a tour, or a poster or 3 per show. It’s such a dumb innocuous thing. 

Pre tsurt and post?

Tim Simmons

I mean, I guess. But the reality is if the fans are buying shit, they’re gonna keep making more stuff. Maybe it’s growing up Catholic but I feel like it’s our fault not theirs. They’re trying to make fans happy. 

smile6680

Tim Simmons said:

I mean, I guess. But the reality is if the fans are buying shit, they’re gonna keep making more stuff. Maybe it’s growing up Catholic but I feel like it’s our fault not theirs. They’re trying to make fans happy. 

I agree. I really don't care what they sell. I'm only interested in tickets, the price, availability and if seniority matters. I would typically buy something when attending a show until Fenway 2016. Lines were early and insane. Luckily I grabbed a couple copies of a poster that had "sold out" before the show on the way out of the venue. 

Get_Right

Make no mistake. The band absolutely shifted to a corporate model when riot act or maybe avocado came out. What they do on stage is still real but they have monetized the band. Cannot blame them for that. 

PB11041

Get_Right said:

Make no mistake. The band absolutely shifted to a corporate model when riot act or maybe avocado came out. What they do on stage is still real but they have monetized the band. Cannot blame them for that. 

so many fans have refused to accept the reality of where the music industry has gone, and it is an industry, one can keep fantasizing about it being 1993-1994 but that ship sailed 3 decades ago.  And to your point by the 2003-2006 era, digital was taking over and the model of how artists made money became 95% reliant on touring.   They are a business, not a charity.  

vedpunk

PB11041 said:

Get_Right said:

Make no mistake. The band absolutely shifted to a corporate model when riot act or maybe avocado came out. What they do on stage is still real but they have monetized the band. Cannot blame them for that. 

so many fans have refused to accept the reality of where the music industry has gone, and it is an industry, one can keep fantasizing about it being 1993-1994 but that ship sailed 3 decades ago.  And to your point by the 2003-2006 era, digital was taking over and the model of how artists made money became 95% reliant on touring.   They are a business, not a charity.  

Amen. Some people are stuck in 1995.

Go Beavers

Get_Right said:

Make no mistake. The band absolutely shifted to a corporate model when riot act or maybe avocado came out. What they do on stage is still real but they have monetized the band. Cannot blame them for that. 

The band signed with Sony in 1991. The corporate model has always been in place with the band in different manifestations. Anyone upset in 2024 wasn’t paying attention in 1991. 

Get_Right

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

Make no mistake. The band absolutely shifted to a corporate model when riot act or maybe avocado came out. What they do on stage is still real but they have monetized the band. Cannot blame them for that. 

The band signed with Sony in 1991. The corporate model has always been in place with the band in different manifestations. Anyone upset in 2024 wasn’t paying attention in 1991. 

I think it was still handled in house until Riot Act. Around the time when the memberships went digital/analog. No real facts here but it was obvious that something changed. I also have a friend that runs fan clubs for bands and it was around that time that his business blew up.

Go Beavers

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

Make no mistake. The band absolutely shifted to a corporate model when riot act or maybe avocado came out. What they do on stage is still real but they have monetized the band. Cannot blame them for that. 

The band signed with Sony in 1991. The corporate model has always been in place with the band in different manifestations. Anyone upset in 2024 wasn’t paying attention in 1991. 

I think it was still handled in house until Riot Act. Around the time when the memberships went digital/analog. No real facts here but it was obvious that something changed. I also have a friend that runs fan clubs for bands and it was around that time that his business blew up.

But this idea that the band didn’t want to make big money until later on is a myth. 

smile6680

PB11041 said:

Get_Right said:

Make no mistake. The band absolutely shifted to a corporate model when riot act or maybe avocado came out. What they do on stage is still real but they have monetized the band. Cannot blame them for that. 

so many fans have refused to accept the reality of where the music industry has gone, and it is an industry, one can keep fantasizing about it being 1993-1994 but that ship sailed 3 decades ago.  And to your point by the 2003-2006 era, digital was taking over and the model of how artists made money became 95% reliant on touring.   They are a business, not a charity.  

I agree. I don't know why some fans wont accept that pearl Jam has changed (at least business wise). It's like if they accept they are no longer the people they were 20+ years they can no longer listen to and enjoy their music. 

chrisdrake88

smile6680 said:

chrisdrake88 said:

Zen23 said:

Small translation service on my part. The most important passages. Although the title "My ticket, my ruin" and the caption under Mr. Vedder's photo say it all.

"It is first and foremost the artists who determine with their management what income they expect from a tour." Eddie Vedder.

Other interesting points:

With Pearl Jam, however, you have to bear in mind that some of the fans traditionally travel after the band and so have to buy tickets for several concerts. The fan club offers limited special prices for this, but even these are now too expensive for many. Some fans have therefore announced that after decades they will break with the traveling around. They simply couldn't afford it anymore.

"Pearl Jam, you've completely lost your way," wrote British user Chris-Drake88 in a much-noticed post on the official fan club forum. "Unlike before, you are no longer a band of the people." You can find that overly self-pitying, but the question has not been chewed over yet. If even Pearl Jam, who peddle their commitment to inclusive prices and don't offer flying disco horses or LED show stairs, charge over 170 euros for the bad seats - is that really just down to the system? Or what else?

There are no answers from the companies that have organized the group's tours now and in the past. Inquiries as to how the prices were arrived at, whether there is a dynamic pricing principle in Germany (as in the USA) and how ticket companies, promoters and artists divide up the proceeds are rejected or ignored.

Johannes Everke, Managing Director of the Federal Association of the Concert and Event Industry: "It would also be wrong to blame the ticket retailers. First and foremost, it is the artists and their management who determine what revenue they expect from a tour. What the individual tickets cost is then determined by what the organizers and artists agree on in view of the overall costs." This means that Pearl Jam also cross-finance the 200-euro seats in Berlin to a certain extent with the tickets, which the algorithm in the USA sometimes pushes up to over 1000 dollars.

Wow! I had no idea about this! Thanks for the translation. I'm finding it a bit crazy how noticed my little rant has been!

Has anybody noticed that some of the 1000s of unsold seats at Tottenham have been reduced in price over the last few weeks? It's great to know that we have a bit of power when we actually stand up and refuse to be overcharged.  Notably, the reduced tickets are still not selling out, so I wonder if they'll end up dropping prices further to sell out the stadium? I hate the idea of PJ playing to empty seats, I'd still love to see them live this year, and if they can work it out, I would 100% love to be there.

Where is this article from. Just curious who wrote it. I'm also surprised in what appears to be a big difference in demand for tickets in the U.S compared to Europe. 

The demand is there, we just don't pay that amount of money for tickets here. AC/DC are doing a stadium tour this year and are charging 25% less.
People are pissed about AC/DC charging that amount and I'd probably say that they're a bigger band than PJ in Europe. 

lastexitlondon

Demand is massive they would sell out x2 02 x2 manc x2 Scotland with no bother. At reasonable prices. But they don't care, less shows. Shorter sets double money . Will still sell and make money. 

Get_Right

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

Make no mistake. The band absolutely shifted to a corporate model when riot act or maybe avocado came out. What they do on stage is still real but they have monetized the band. Cannot blame them for that. 

The band signed with Sony in 1991. The corporate model has always been in place with the band in different manifestations. Anyone upset in 2024 wasn’t paying attention in 1991. 

I think it was still handled in house until Riot Act. Around the time when the memberships went digital/analog. No real facts here but it was obvious that something changed. I also have a friend that runs fan clubs for bands and it was around that time that his business blew up.

But this idea that the band didn’t want to make big money until later on is a myth. 

I agree with that. The point I am trying to make is that at some point they engaged professionals to maximize the big money. Make music, play live and collect the checks. Leave the rest up to us. That is the pitch.

Zod

Yah.. and they're older so you can't really blame them for trying to earn more while working less.   I think many of us would do that.  Plus they've hit the age where I'm hoping to retire at one day, so I can't really be upset their working into years where I might not be