Noblesville 5.7.2010. Lexington 4.26.2016. Nashville 9.16.2022. St Louis 9.18.2022. Chicago 1 9.5.2023. Chicago 2 9.7.2023. *Noblesville 9.10.2023* (Gutted) Seattle 5.30.2024 Noblesville 8.26.2024 Chicago 8.29.2024 Chicago 8.31.2024
I'm not complaining as I think the system probably did what it said what it was going to do and seemed clear enough (and I got what would've been my first choice anyway) but why wouldn't this be a "better" system:
1. Randomly assign every 10C member a lottery number (1 to 100K or however many 10C members there are) -- this is the ONLY GLOBAL lottery 2. Go back to priority -- everyone rank their choice of shows (in their actual preference as there would be no incentive in my system to try and choose between shows you are likely to get and shows that you aren't, will see why in a second). In fact, each member could also rank their choice of seats (you could rank GA first for your preferred show, then P1, then GA for Show 2, etc., or if you'd rather, you could rank a bunch of GAs first, then a bunch of seating, or vice versa if you prefer assigned seats, to maximize your chances of GA OVER a particular show if you're more agnostic between certain shows). 3. 10C starts at #1 for the lottery -- 1 gets their first choice, 2 gets their first choice unless sold out, in which case 2 gets their second choice, and so on, all the way through the lottery until you get to the last person (who gets their first choice that is still available, unless all of their available choices are sold out, in which case they are of course unfortunately shut out of this lottery) 4. Restart at 1 again for remaining availability (or, if you really want to be more fair, run it in REVERSE the second time so last place in the first go around has the BEST chance of getting two shows), and recursively again and again until all shows are sold out or all 10C members are out of available options
Is there a reason that my system above wouldn't be better? Would still do seniority for seating within the show sections to give that group a benefit. Seems to me this would maximize getting everyone into a show, and would also optimize getting as many people as possible into their preferred shows and their preferred seats. Only thing it would minimize is the lucky few who get a bunch of shows, which I think most would agree we'd all rather minimize the chance of missing out entirely. Just my two cents for the 10C gods out there to conisder for the future (I hope there are MANY more years of 10C lotteries to complain about!!)
It may be better for the fans, but it would slow down TM's ability to sell tickets which is their objective through these sales. They probably begrudge the 10C sales as hurting profits and increasing administrative costs.
Maybe? I don't think it would slow down TM -- the algorithim to do this is very simple--all you need is a database with everyone's preference and the list of how many 10C seats you have available in each section for each show, and it could run the lottery results in about 2 seconds. I'm also assuming that whatever the allocation that 10C gets is the same as today (and that most/all shows end up selling out of 10C seats) so I don't think that really changes anything, we are still selling the same total number of 10C seats for the same price, and TM can sell the rest of the tix through verified fan as they already are, etc. I'm not sure how the seat assignment process works but presumably once you know who is getting the tix that is also already automated.
I’d like to see poll results on those who think the current system is good versus when they joined the fan club. Gee whiz, I wonder what those numbers would look like.
Alot of the people who won 7+ shows are people who have been in the TC along time...
This was way, way, WAY better than the F5 days.
I did great in the F5 days 😂 a bit of a leg up being a bit younger/tech savvy
DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
Still don't believe they are done with Missoula. Did anyone capture the 10c seating chart from the ticket request? I can't remember what that one looked like since I assumed most folks that put in for that show would get it.
I’d like to see poll results on those who think the current system is good versus when they joined the fan club. Gee whiz, I wonder what those numbers would look like.
Alot of the people who won 7+ shows are people who have been in the TC along time...
This was way, way, WAY better than the F5 days.
I did great in the F5 days 😂 a bit of a leg up being a bit younger/tech savvy
I'd rather wait in line at the Sears Customer Service counter
Been
a casual PJ fan since the beginning but was broke and/or homeless in my late
teens early 20’s, so affording concert tickets was the last thing on my mind
when I was more concerned with where I would sleep each night. I got married in
my late 20’s, and we both put ourselves through college and are in our careers
finally making a very respectable income (probs for about 5 years now). We can
now enjoy going to concerts and traveling on a whim.
We are
both early to mid-40’s now, and over the last 5-10 years, I have fallen in love
w/ PJ and their music. It just hits different, and I feel fortunate to experience
their music almost for the first time.
My s/o and I went to our 1st
show in Chi last Fall. I had been in the 10C for about 3 years, and the 1st
time I ever attempted to get tickets through the 10C, I scored GA x2 for 1
night. When we arrived, we were surrounded by peeps in line for wristbands that
all told stories about shows they had been to over the last few decades. Many
of these fans were traveling show to show and had notched 20-30 and in some
cases 40-50 shows over time. I felt almost like a poser as this was my 1st
show. Of course, many explained how we were in for a treat as we got GA/pit for
our 1st PJ concert. As the concert came to an end, between the
fellow PJ fans, the band, and the music, I had never experienced anything like
it.
Long story short, I understand
those upset with seniority here on 10C not getting the tickets they desired or any
tickets at all, but… how many amazing shows have you been fortunate to see over
the years? I wish there was a perfect system and seeing peeps get multiple GA
tickets while others miss out completely is frustrating. I wanted GA for Wrigley
both nights this go-around, and was willing to even fly to Vegas, but will likely
enjoy seats for 1 night in Wrigley for my 2nd show ever. I would
have loved to have seen PJ in East Lansing back in 98 as well, but I didn’t
have that kind of coin and was just trying to eat, so apologies if I only
joined the “club” 3 years ago, I did not even know there was a 10C club until a
few years ago…
This was awesome to read, I am happy for you guys! I felt somewhat similar when I went to PJ20 lol Things have changed since then too. Back then, there was no GA and the first I think five rows were reserved for old time fans, with some lucky random fans getting front row unexpectedly (which was why it was fun to go to the ticket window because you never knew where you'd end up). Then it felt like PJ were getting tired of seeing the same lifeless crowd in the front rows, especially after seeing more energized people in GA in other countries, so they changed things up and made the GA floor. I can see where they are coming from, it's gotta be more fun with enthusiastic people up front. Now by now that system has also been taken over by people who will try anything and everything to be on the rail at every show, which makes it once again boring for the band because they are seeing the same faces yet again but I guess the band still likes it better than an all-seated place.
I understand that people get pissed when they don't get tickets, especially when they see others scoring but nobody guaranteed us tickets. And I find it funny how all the names of the complainers during tour and ticket time sound familiar, because they always complain about the same thing. Don't let them spoil your fun and enjoy the shows! You will, regardless of where you sit anyways. Except for maybe second to last row behind the stage, which we had in Seattle in 2013 :P But it was still an awesome respite from everyday life and a wonderful experience to visit the "PJ Mekka".
Please, Pearl Jam, consider a Benaroya Hall vinyl reissue!
I feel for everyone here who missed out. But there are still ways to get into most of these shows. In 2020, I flamed out on all my requests. I put in for MSG, Baltimore and Nashville and got none of them. Mostly because there are too many fans and not enough tickets. Not because of the system. But I was able to grab two lower level seats near the stage for MSG in the verified fan sale. I was later able to grab two lower level seats for Nashville in the verified fan sale when those went on sale. Win some. Lose some.
This is honestly more impressive than winning the lottery. Well done.
Thank you. They were two separate sales so I could at least divide and conquer. otherwise I would have been hounding f2f until I scored. The unintended consequence of my quest is that I was later able to apply my skills to help me score Taylor Swift and Harry Styles tickets for my teenage daughters.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
All this talk of which system is better ignores the real point: they do not play nearly enough shows to meet demand. (Well except in Cali). They could play 4 nights at MSG and sell out. If they played Hartford that might ease demand for Fenway. If they played Detroit or Milwaukee that could help people get Wrigley tix. Playing Pittsburgh or Buffalo or Charlotte would offset Philly demand. And I haven’t even mentioned the Southeast yet.
This is their biggest tour in about 15 years and it’s still nowhere near enough. Whatever system they use will lead to heartbroken or angry members unless they actually play enough dates.
I’d like to see poll results on those who think the current system is good versus when they joined the fan club. Gee whiz, I wonder what those numbers would look like.
Alot of the people who won 7+ shows are people who have been in the TC along time...
This was way, way, WAY better than the F5 days.
I did great in the F5 days 😂 a bit of a leg up being a bit younger/tech savvy
I'd rather wait in line at the Sears Customer Service counter
For you kids out there, Sears used to be....
...well, Customer Service was...
ah, never mind - get off my lawn!
This made me laugh.
"A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
Someone on FB just posted they had a friend who just now got a Vegas confirmation
2010: Cleveland 2012: Atlanta 2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II 2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver 2015: New York City 2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco 2017: Ohana Fest (EV) 2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II 2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2 2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver 2023: St. Paul II 2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
Prioritization didn't solve all the problems but it was better than what we got this time. But ... given the constraints of the rules that were applied this go round, I wish used they MSG rule for all the other 2-show venues if demand exceeded supply ... at least in that case more people would get at least one show in a city before others got 2
I'm going to chicago for the first time in a decade... pumped!
I think the MSG's are going to hit F2F, despite communicating all the dates to my wife multiple times, she only informed me of AFTER the request was locked in that she has a work conflict with the MSG dates... Not too bent out of shape about it. Will repost them at face value... only to have a ticketmaster bot scoop them up and then retail them for 5 or 6 times that... technology is the best.
Good luck to all with the general onsales.
Houston, Texas... Believe it or not, there are 7 million people here... must be a couple of fans who'd love to see you play.
Bringing back priority selections would make this a bit less randomized with more balance to who scores. Less people going 10/10 while others go 0/6. That said, there were several cases last year of people winning tickets with their 4th priority, while others got shut out with their first priority, for the same show. It happened a lot for Chicago. That may have had to do with the 3x seat reshuffling debacle, but regardless, it happened. I don't know what the solution is, but there are major flaws that seem to be getting worse in recent years. It was never perfect, but it seems to have become exponentially worse since they implemented PJ Premium.
I'm going to chicago for the first time in a decade... pumped!
I think the MSG's are going to hit F2F, despite communicating all the dates to my wife multiple times, she only informed me of AFTER the request was locked in that she has a work conflict with the MSG dates... Not too bent out of shape about it. Will repost them at face value... only to have a ticketmaster bot scoop them up and then retail them for 5 or 6 times that... technology is the best.
Good luck to all with the general onsales.
I think you can transfer those MSG tickets directly to someone here for face value because of the NY law on ticket sales.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
Since it seems they did most if not all the drawings yesterday rather than spreading it out over three days, I'm hopeful that assignments will be sent well before late Friday, and that would be the absolute latest you are notified. But, that's just a guess.
Should we assume if we didn't hear yesterday either way, that it's unlikely we landed anything?
Wife and I both put in for Philly 1, but didn't get any emails yet.
They allocated three days for a reason. I don't know how or why, but we shouldn't be surprised if more winners start trickling in. I hope it's some of you.
I have no problem with everyone getting a shot at GA for ONE show. What I take issue with, is someone who joined 10C after me, getting GA for MULTIPLE shows when I got GA for NONE. You cannot convince me this is a fair setup. There has to be a better way. Seniority counting for seats only is not good enough.
I’d like to see poll results on those who think the current system is good versus when they joined the fan club. Gee whiz, I wonder what those numbers would look like.
Alot of the people who won 7+ shows are people who have been in the TC along time...
This was way, way, WAY better than the F5 days.
I did great in the F5 days 😂 a bit of a leg up being a bit younger/tech savvy
I'd rather wait in line at the Sears Customer Service counter
For you kids out there, Sears used to be....
...well, Customer Service was...
ah, never mind - get off my lawn!
I... I got this reference😅
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
I’d like to see poll results on those who think the current system is good versus when they joined the fan club. Gee whiz, I wonder what those numbers would look like.
Alot of the people who won 7+ shows are people who have been in the TC along time...
This was way, way, WAY better than the F5 days.
I did great in the F5 days 😂 a bit of a leg up being a bit younger/tech savvy
I'd rather wait in line at the Sears Customer Service counter
I just realized Chase locked my card yesterday and I was drawn twice. I've emailed support. Has anyone had any luck contacting support and still getting their tickets. Ticketstoday did NOT reach out to tell me this yesterday like it was stated they would.
Nashville '00 Houston, B'ham, Nashville, Atlanta '03 Toledo, Grand Rapids '04 Kitchener, London '05 Camden x 2, D.C., Cincy, San Fran x 3 '06 Chicago '07 Columbia '08 MSG x 2 '10; PJ 20 x 2 '11 Atlanta '12 Wrigley '13 St. Louis, Memphis '14 Lexington '15 Wrigley '16 Wrigley x 2 '18 Nashville '22
I just realized Chase locked my card yesterday and I was drawn twice. I've emailed support. Has anyone had any luck contacting support and still getting their tickets. Ticketstoday did NOT reach out to tell me this yesterday like it was stated they would.
Since it seems they did most if not all the drawings yesterday rather than spreading it out over three days, I'm hopeful that assignments will be sent well before late Friday, and that would be the absolute latest you are notified. But, that's just a guess.
Should we assume if we didn't hear yesterday either way, that it's unlikely we landed anything?
Wife and I both put in for Philly 1, but didn't get any emails yet.
I've seen people getting results today. So, until you get the denial email, don't give up hope. I think they added some extra time into the "timeline" fully expecting that there will be confirmations after the initial round went out. This leads me to suspect that assignments may start going out on Thursday. Just a feeling, I have no concrete knowledge.
Since it seems they did most if not all the drawings yesterday rather than spreading it out over three days, I'm hopeful that assignments will be sent well before late Friday, and that would be the absolute latest you are notified. But, that's just a guess.
Should we assume if we didn't hear yesterday either way, that it's unlikely we landed anything?
Wife and I both put in for Philly 1, but didn't get any emails yet.
I've seen people getting results today. So, until you get the denial email, don't give up hope. I think they added some extra time into the "timeline" fully expecting that there will be confirmations after the initial round went out. This leads me to suspect that assignments may start going out on Thursday. Just a feeling, I have no concrete knowledge.
Bringing back priority selections would make this a bit less randomized with more balance to who scores. Less people going 10/10 while others go 0/6. That said, there were several cases last year of people winning tickets with their 4th priority, while others got shut out with their first priority, for the same show. It happened a lot for Chicago. That may have had to do with the 3x seat reshuffling debacle, but regardless, it happened. I don't know what the solution is, but there are major flaws that seem to be getting worse in recent years. It was never perfect, but it seems to have become exponentially worse since they implemented PJ Premium.
I agree wholeheartedly with this.
"A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
I just realized Chase locked my card yesterday and I was drawn twice. I've emailed support. Has anyone had any luck contacting support and still getting their tickets. Ticketstoday did NOT reach out to tell me this yesterday like it was stated they would.
I figured something was up yesterday with some of the people that got shut out of Wrigley. Hopefully you can get it resolved, they seem to have fixed a lot of the declined issues with AMEX in Aus, and all of the other situations. Best of luck.
I was only in this lottery to try for GA (I'm actually a little surprised I didn't get even one). I've got a bad 10C number (somewhere in the 450K range I think), so I'm going to try and get good seats in the general sale, and then hope I'll be able to sell bad 10C singles.... although I'm curious about the premium pricing! Just how much are those going to be??
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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Chicago 1 9.5.2023. Chicago 2 9.7.2023.
*Noblesville 9.10.2023* (Gutted)
Seattle 5.30.2024 Noblesville 8.26.2024 Chicago 8.29.2024 Chicago 8.31.2024
I'd rather wait in line at the Sears Customer Service counter
For you kids out there, Sears used to be....
...well, Customer Service was...
ah, never mind - get off my lawn!
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2024: Las Vegas I / Las Vegas II / New York City I / New York City II / Philly I / Philly II / Baltimore
Vegas 1 & 2 - P2
MSG 2 - P2
Wrigley, both nights GA.
I'm going to chicago for the first time in a decade... pumped!
I think the MSG's are going to hit F2F, despite communicating all the dates to my wife multiple times, she only informed me of AFTER the request was locked in that she has a work conflict with the MSG dates... Not too bent out of shape about it. Will repost them at face value... only to have a ticketmaster bot scoop them up and then retail them for 5 or 6 times that... technology is the best.
Good luck to all with the general onsales.
Wife and I both put in for Philly 1, but didn't get any emails yet.
Vancouver N1 and N2- P1 reserved
MSG N1- nothing
MSG N2- P2 reserved
Philly N1- P1 reserved
Philly N2- GA
Baltimore- P1 reserved
Feel very fortunate to have scored my first GA ever in a 10c lottery (in about 50 attempts). Now on to F2F to try to upgrade the rest!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Houston, B'ham, Nashville, Atlanta '03
Toledo, Grand Rapids '04
Kitchener, London '05
Camden x 2, D.C., Cincy, San Fran x 3 '06
Chicago '07
Columbia '08
MSG x 2 '10;
PJ 20 x 2 '11
Atlanta '12
Wrigley '13
St. Louis, Memphis '14
Lexington '15
Wrigley '16
Wrigley x 2 '18
Nashville '22
Nuclear fission