Also, I know everyone is different but I'm very surprised to see how many people here feel pressured by the option to tip. As a few have pointed out, just bypass and don't tip or put Other and tip what you like. Wonder why this makes people uptight, anxious, or in some way to feel badly. I don't give a fuck one way or the other. If I want to tip, I do. If I don't, I don't.
I don't think this option is going away so I hope that folks can get comfortable with saying no if that is what they want, and not feeling like they need to take out their feelings on folks who depend on tips in more traditional settings due to the new tech options in untraditional tipping settings.
I wish we all had your confidence. My pants get so piss soaked whenever I'm confronted with a tip screen.
Also, I know everyone is different but I'm very surprised to see how many people here feel pressured by the option to tip. As a few have pointed out, just bypass and don't tip or put Other and tip what you like. Wonder why this makes people uptight, anxious, or in some way to feel badly. I don't give a fuck one way or the other. If I want to tip, I do. If I don't, I don't.
I don't think this option is going away so I hope that folks can get comfortable with saying no if that is what they want, and not feeling like they need to take out their feelings on folks who depend on tips in more traditional settings due to the new tech options in untraditional tipping settings.
the passive aggressiveness of the "would you like any change?", even when I give two fifties on a $60 bill. lol. um, YEAH
it's ingrained in our culture. I know some don't for their own reasons, but while it seems strange to do (even with the aforementioned inconsistencies on which jobs we tip vs ones we don't-they all make the same minimum wage), it's just "normal" here.
Try the English way. You might never tip again once you start just not doing it
I think if I was in England and people didn't get paid below living wage I would have a different view. Here in the US, it is different, given the way that workers in these service environments get paid.
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At hockey games if someone IDs me and makes me take my ID out of the see through slip in my wallet I don't tip them. That really pisses me off.
Ha. In general I agree with this. I'm very clearly well past 21. Just glance at the ID I show, in the window of my wallet, if your policy dictates that you must ask for ID. Don't make me take it out!
At hockey games if someone IDs me and makes me take my ID out of the see through slip in my wallet I don't tip them. That really pisses me off.
Ha. In general I agree with this. I'm very clearly well past 21. Just glance at the ID I show, in the window of my wallet, if your policy dictates that you must ask for ID. Don't make me take it out!
That's very possibly a company policy though... I know at Fenway & the Garden, they ID 100% of people who are buying alcohol. It's ridiculous, to card a senior citizen, or someone like me who has as much gray in their beard as I do, but in the end it's their policy... the people serving beer don't set it.
At hockey games if someone IDs me and makes me take my ID out of the see through slip in my wallet I don't tip them. That really pisses me off.
Ha. In general I agree with this. I'm very clearly well past 21. Just glance at the ID I show, in the window of my wallet, if your policy dictates that you must ask for ID. Don't make me take it out!
Yeah it really burns my ass. Especially when I've been waiting in line for five minutes and there is still a big line behind me. I get IDing everyone that looks 30 or less but clearly way beyond that. And she's so chipper about it. That pisses me off even more.
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At hockey games if someone IDs me and makes me take my ID out of the see through slip in my wallet I don't tip them. That really pisses me off.
Ha. In general I agree with this. I'm very clearly well past 21. Just glance at the ID I show, in the window of my wallet, if your policy dictates that you must ask for ID. Don't make me take it out!
That's very possibly a company policy though... I know at Fenway & the Garden, they ID 100% of people who are buying alcohol. It's ridiculous, to card a senior citizen, or someone like me who has as much gray in their beard as I do, but in the end it's their policy... the people serving beer don't set it.
I agree and think you are correct. Is the policy that the IDs have to come out of the sleeve? If so, I understand. If not, it stinks. Guess I should not be bummed.
Try the English way. You might never tip again once you start just not doing it
You don't seem to get that the servers in the US depend on tips for their livelihood.
I'm not a fucking idiot. But people here are saying they dislike it and don't understand why they tip everyone sure tip under paid folk but that's not what people are doing,so they are tipping absolutely everything they do. Ok so tip a low paid worker if you know for a fact they get the tip because some places the money is taken and pooled between all staff. . Just maybe start by only giving money directly to a waitress. And leave all the MUST tip.
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I feel absolutely no obligation to tip anyone besides who we've always tipped, like servers and bartenders, delivery drivers, and cab/uber drivers. And of course my hair stylist. I don't even think twice about all those other requests for tips, like for cashiers etc etc. They can ask all they want - why not? It's their right. But that doesn't mean anyone should feel like they ought to be doing it.
There is always an "other" option on those credit card machines, so I don't care about the 3 options starting at 15% either... Not that I would ever tip less than that if the service is decent.
I rarely do tip outside the areas you mentioned. But it does make me uncomfortable when I get a self serve something, and they say "the card reader will ask you a few questions" then face it towards me, and look right at me as I select "no tip." That would be like if you paid cash then they wave a tip jar in your face as they handed you your change and said "would you like to tip us with any off that change?" I read an article a couple months ago that addressed this, and said that these workers feel uncomfortable too, because it's just the default of the POS they use. I don't know if I believe that, there's got to be a way to bypass it if you wanted to just have a tip jar on the side. How would they make a program like that where you couldn't customize anything? I 100% believe its on purpose to make more.
It's definitely more efficient for the server. They don't have to bring you the bill, take your card and go back to the terminal, then return to the table with a paper receipt, then process the receipt. It's all done in a few seconds.
But yeah....I don't like it. I generally don't blame the server for much as bad service is generally a factor of the place being understaffed or poorly managed.
There was a big controversy in my town on facebook related to a local Subway shop that supposedly does not allocate credit card tips. An ex-employee was saying that they get to split cash tips but charged tips are just kept by the shop. That's jacked up.
I assume the owner thinks that he is paying everyone well enough and that it just helps him do that....but I've never tipped at McD's or any other fast food joint. Not sure why a Subway employee should get a tip really.
I don't mind that with a sit down restaurant where I plan to tip. But its those self serve frozen yogurt or places like that where I don't feel the need, but they ask me and stare at me while I select no.
Try the English way. You might never tip again once you start just not doing it
You don't seem to get that the servers in the US depend on tips for their livelihood.
I'm not a fucking idiot. But people here are saying they dislike it and don't understand why they tip everyone sure tip under paid folk but that's not what people are doing,so they are tipping absolutely everything they do. Ok so tip a low paid worker if you know for a fact they get the tip because some places the money is taken and pooled between all staff. . Just maybe start by only giving money directly to a waitress. And leave all the MUST tip
Respectfully,, I think you're missing some of the nuance of the conversation.
I feel absolutely no obligation to tip anyone besides who we've always tipped, like servers and bartenders, delivery drivers, and cab/uber drivers. And of course my hair stylist. I don't even think twice about all those other requests for tips, like for cashiers etc etc. They can ask all they want - why not? It's their right. But that doesn't mean anyone should feel like they ought to be doing it.
There is always an "other" option on those credit card machines, so I don't care about the 3 options starting at 15% either... Not that I would ever tip less than that if the service is decent.
I rarely do tip outside the areas you mentioned. But it does make me uncomfortable when I get a self serve something, and they say "the card reader will ask you a few questions" then face it towards me, and look right at me as I select "no tip." That would be like if you paid cash then they wave a tip jar in your face as they handed you your change and said "would you like to tip us with any off that change?" I read an article a couple months ago that addressed this, and said that these workers feel uncomfortable too, because it's just the default of the POS they use. I don't know if I believe that, there's got to be a way to bypass it if you wanted to just have a tip jar on the side. How would they make a program like that where you couldn't customize anything? I 100% believe its on purpose to make more.
There is for sure no way for a person working the register to bypass the point of sale card reader settings. (I worked for almost 20 years running a business where we supported national retail technology deployments, including pin pad/ card reader configurations)
I didn't mean the cashier bypass it. But the business as a whole. When they set up the payment system, I assume there's a way to not have it on there, especially for places that generally don't require tips. Can they not customize a POS for a business? I assumed they could.
At hockey games if someone IDs me and makes me take my ID out of the see through slip in my wallet I don't tip them. That really pisses me off.
Ha. In general I agree with this. I'm very clearly well past 21. Just glance at the ID I show, in the window of my wallet, if your policy dictates that you must ask for ID. Don't make me take it out!
That's very possibly a company policy though... I know at Fenway & the Garden, they ID 100% of people who are buying alcohol. It's ridiculous, to card a senior citizen, or someone like me who has as much gray in their beard as I do, but in the end it's their policy... the people serving beer don't set it.
I don't mind whipping out my ID if it's policy...but to make me pull it out of the sleeve is just being cunty. She can see that it is an IN drivers license and I'm clearly over 50. Plus no one else makes me pull it out of the sleeve. They just glance and go like a non-cunty person.
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I feel absolutely no obligation to tip anyone besides who we've always tipped, like servers and bartenders, delivery drivers, and cab/uber drivers. And of course my hair stylist. I don't even think twice about all those other requests for tips, like for cashiers etc etc. They can ask all they want - why not? It's their right. But that doesn't mean anyone should feel like they ought to be doing it.
There is always an "other" option on those credit card machines, so I don't care about the 3 options starting at 15% either... Not that I would ever tip less than that if the service is decent.
I rarely do tip outside the areas you mentioned. But it does make me uncomfortable when I get a self serve something, and they say "the card reader will ask you a few questions" then face it towards me, and look right at me as I select "no tip." That would be like if you paid cash then they wave a tip jar in your face as they handed you your change and said "would you like to tip us with any off that change?" I read an article a couple months ago that addressed this, and said that these workers feel uncomfortable too, because it's just the default of the POS they use. I don't know if I believe that, there's got to be a way to bypass it if you wanted to just have a tip jar on the side. How would they make a program like that where you couldn't customize anything? I 100% believe its on purpose to make more.
There is for sure no way for a person working the register to bypass the point of sale card reader settings. (I worked for almost 20 years running a business where we supported national retail technology deployments, including pin pad/ card reader configurations)
I didn't mean the cashier bypass it. But the business as a whole. When they set up the payment system, I assume there's a way to not have it on there, especially for places that generally don't require tips. Can they not customize a POS for a business? I assumed they could.
You specifically referenced fhe workers....so that was what I was commenting on. The parent company (or owner for small shops) can make that selection as to what gets included in the configuration of their payment encryption device....yes, you are correct with that. 💯
At hockey games if someone IDs me and makes me take my ID out of the see through slip in my wallet I don't tip them. That really pisses me off.
Ha. In general I agree with this. I'm very clearly well past 21. Just glance at the ID I show, in the window of my wallet, if your policy dictates that you must ask for ID. Don't make me take it out!
That's very possibly a company policy though... I know at Fenway & the Garden, they ID 100% of people who are buying alcohol. It's ridiculous, to card a senior citizen, or someone like me who has as much gray in their beard as I do, but in the end it's their policy... the people serving beer don't set it.
I don't mind whipping out my ID if it's policy...but to make me pull it out of the sleeve is just being cunty. She can see that it is an IN drivers license and I'm clearly over 50. Plus no one else makes me pull it out of the sleeve. They just glance and go like a non-cunty person.
I guess I'm just used to it after 20+ years of the policy at Fenway & The Garden. If you want a beer, you have your ID out.
It's not the servers setting this policy, and if the server is observed half assing the ID check by a narc from the alcohol board, then they lose their job... that's how I look at it.
Maybe where you are it's more the individual server being an asshole... I can't speak for that.
At hockey games if someone IDs me and makes me take my ID out of the see through slip in my wallet I don't tip them. That really pisses me off.
Ha. In general I agree with this. I'm very clearly well past 21. Just glance at the ID I show, in the window of my wallet, if your policy dictates that you must ask for ID. Don't make me take it out!
That's very possibly a company policy though... I know at Fenway & the Garden, they ID 100% of people who are buying alcohol. It's ridiculous, to card a senior citizen, or someone like me who has as much gray in their beard as I do, but in the end it's their policy... the people serving beer don't set it.
I don't mind whipping out my ID if it's policy...but to make me pull it out of the sleeve is just being cunty. She can see that it is an IN drivers license and I'm clearly over 50. Plus no one else makes me pull it out of the sleeve. They just glance and go like a non-cunty person.
I guess I'm just used to it after 20+ years of the policy at Fenway & The Garden. If you want a beer, you have your ID out.
It's not the servers setting this policy, and if the server is observed half assing the ID check by a narc from the alcohol board, then they lose their job... that's how I look at it.
Maybe where you are it's more the individual server being an asshole... I can't speak for that.
Yeah she's on a power trip. She's so important that she just has to have that ID out of the sleeve even though she has served me 100 times.
Like I said...no one else makes me pull it out. And I've seen her do it to others while I'm in line. Her tips must suck.
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Try the English way. You might never tip again once you start just not doing it
You don't seem to get that the servers in the US depend on tips for their livelihood.
I'm not a fucking idiot. But people here are saying they dislike it and don't understand why they tip everyone sure tip under paid folk but that's not what people are doing,so they are tipping absolutely everything they do. Ok so tip a low paid worker if you know for a fact they get the tip because some places the money is taken and pooled between all staff. . Just maybe start by only giving money directly to a waitress. And leave all the MUST tip.
Try the English way. You might never tip again once you start just not doing it
You don't seem to get that the servers in the US depend on tips for their livelihood.
I'm not a fucking idiot. But people here are saying they dislike it and don't understand why they tip everyone sure tip under paid folk but that's not what people are doing,so they are tipping absolutely everything they do. Ok so tip a low paid worker if you know for a fact they get the tip because some places the money is taken and pooled between all staff. . Just maybe start by only giving money directly to a waitress. And leave all the MUST tip.
Yes you are, and a cheap one at that.
Nice.
The worst of times..they don't phase me, even if I look and act really crazy.
What? Only 90% tip at a sit down restaurant? Do nearly 10% really regularly walk out with tipping?
"Americans’ tipping behaviors also vary by business. More than 90% of people say they always or often leave a tip at sit-down restaurants, 78% when getting a haircut, 76% for food delivery and 61% taking a taxi or ride-share."
Try the English way. You might never tip again once you start just not doing it
You don't seem to get that the servers in the US depend on tips for their livelihood.
I'm not a fucking idiot. But people here are saying they dislike it and don't understand why they tip everyone sure tip under paid folk but that's not what people are doing,so they are tipping absolutely everything they do. Ok so tip a low paid worker if you know for a fact they get the tip because some places the money is taken and pooled between all staff. . Just maybe start by only giving money directly to a waitress. And leave all the MUST tip.
Yes you are, and a cheap one at that.
it would nice if you could take into consideration different cultural/national practices when deciding to insult someone like that. it's ignorant.
What? Only 90% tip at a sit down restaurant? Do nearly 10% really regularly walk out with tipping?
"Americans’ tipping behaviors also vary by business. More than 90% of people say they always or often leave a tip at sit-down restaurants, 78% when getting a haircut, 76% for food delivery and 61% taking a taxi or ride-share."
haha, I was going to say 90% is really high. I would imagine loads of people in Canada don't tip, and not because we're cheap or mean or whatever some people infer.
I remember growing up in the 80s always hearing 15% was standard. Honestly, I don't know why you'd ever need to increase the tipping percent. As food prices go up, that 15% is worth more. It's an instant pay raise when prices go up if you keep the percent the same. But 20% seems to be the standard now. Got a double raise.
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If so, I understand. If not, it stinks.
Guess I should not be bummed.
At events now I'm seeing the tip options on the terminal for both of these stands.
Within the last few years this changed....
Just maybe start by only giving money directly to a waitress. And leave all the MUST tip.
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The parent company (or owner for small shops) can make that selection as to what gets included in the configuration of their payment encryption device....yes, you are correct with that. 💯
It's not the servers setting this policy, and if the server is observed half assing the ID check by a narc from the alcohol board, then they lose their job... that's how I look at it.
Maybe where you are it's more the individual server being an asshole... I can't speak for that.
Like I said...no one else makes me pull it out. And I've seen her do it to others while I'm in line. Her tips must suck.
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Honestly, I don't know why you'd ever need to increase the tipping percent. As food prices go up, that 15% is worth more. It's an instant pay raise when prices go up if you keep the percent the same. But 20% seems to be the standard now. Got a double raise.