What was the effect of not having a GA Only option?

SHZA

Premium might bump people a few rows or a section, but wouldn't explain drastically farther seats. "Pure greed" is what we see with many artists following the standard TM model. All the decent seats are platinum and vip, with standard pricing only available in the nosebleeds. PJ is still giving the fans a huge chunk of great seats at far below market pricing. So what if they want to make a reasonable profit? Would you take less money than you're worth at your job if you had the opportunity to make more? These guys are financially secure and going on the road isn't easy. There's gotta be some financial incentive to make it worthwhile 

josevolution

100 Pacer said:

Zod said:

The seniority has been a bit odd.  It started on the 2000 tour but it was done in sections, then the 2003 tour in specific seats.   So if you joined the fan club in the early years (90/91 to the mid 90s) you got amazing seats every time.   You would of been in the fan club for 7+ years for the 2000 tour and 10+ years for the 2003 tour.  Someone who signed up in 2003, didn't get the same privledge in 2010 or 2013. 

There's not really enough attrition amongst people who signed up for the 10c prior to seniority.    So people got a lifetime of amazing seats for signed up early, even though they didn't know it at the time.  People who signed up late perpetually got mediocre seats.

The GA thing was great as my seats did start to get a fair bit further back, so even with a '98 membership I quite liked the GA option.

I do think this new move makes most people worse off overall.   I think a fair amount of people did GA or bust, especially when it game to the question of, should I travel for a show).  Oh I got GA, that's worth a trip.     But now with a fair amount of people unhappy with the seats, they'll resell them on fan2fan or elsewhere, and a bunch of 10c'ers sit futher back, while non 10c'ers bought the resold tickets.

I think having the GA only option is good.   Sure it's low odds, especially in big markets (I remember smaller markets like Vancouver doing a 2nd draw in 2013), but it keeps people from getting tickets they don't want and reselling them (pushing other 10c'ers further back).

but yah.. If I started getting nosebleeds.. then I would question if it's worth the 35 usd a year, because you can get those fairly easily for most shows.   Which causes a conundrum.  10c secures more tickets than ever before which means they go further back in the arena, which has now disgruntled people.   Maybe they shouldn't try so hard either?

Started before 2000 - 10C was allocating ‘96 and ‘98 reserved seats based on seniority as well but can’t speak to tours prior.

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RK50065

know1 said:

SHZA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Eddieredder said:

mattcoz said:

GA pushes everyone back, having fewer shows mean a higher percentage of overall members are selecting each show and pushes everyone back, more ten club seating overall means a higher percentage of winners and pushes everyone back, and of course premium seats pushes everyone back.

Also, in those early years, we could only choose one show. So, there was just much fewer club seats and therefore our seats were a lot better.

I'll bet good $ F2F also pushes people back. More entries since they can now unload tix. 

I entered Chicago with late priority with no expectation of winning, but as a backup in case the higher priority shows didn't work out. Zero risk since I can transfer. Pending re-assignment of course.......but you have to assume I pushed people back. 

All these are good explanations why the 10c seats are going to keep getting worse for those of us who joined in last 10 years 

If they're no longer doing GA only,  seems to be minimal reason to pay the annual fee for whats likely to be upper lever upper rows. Might as well risk it all on f2f 

Access to exclusive merch and the forum alone easily makes the annual fee worth it. Getting a band signed poster for $350 is worth many years of annual fees even if you never get tickets. 

Well those aren't incentives for me at all. I've been a member for all these years simply for the tickets. I've never bought anything else except a few bootlegs and I could care less about the forum. The activity here is a tiny fraction of what it once was. 

'I could care less about the forum'

*posts on forum*

Zod

100 Pacer said:

Zod said:

The seniority has been a bit odd.  It started on the 2000 tour but it was done in sections, then the 2003 tour in specific seats.   So if you joined the fan club in the early years (90/91 to the mid 90s) you got amazing seats every time.   You would of been in the fan club for 7+ years for the 2000 tour and 10+ years for the 2003 tour.  Someone who signed up in 2003, didn't get the same privledge in 2010 or 2013. 

There's not really enough attrition amongst people who signed up for the 10c prior to seniority.    So people got a lifetime of amazing seats for signed up early, even though they didn't know it at the time.  People who signed up late perpetually got mediocre seats.

The GA thing was great as my seats did start to get a fair bit further back, so even with a '98 membership I quite liked the GA option.

I do think this new move makes most people worse off overall.   I think a fair amount of people did GA or bust, especially when it game to the question of, should I travel for a show).  Oh I got GA, that's worth a trip.     But now with a fair amount of people unhappy with the seats, they'll resell them on fan2fan or elsewhere, and a bunch of 10c'ers sit futher back, while non 10c'ers bought the resold tickets.

I think having the GA only option is good.   Sure it's low odds, especially in big markets (I remember smaller markets like Vancouver doing a 2nd draw in 2013), but it keeps people from getting tickets they don't want and reselling them (pushing other 10c'ers further back).

but yah.. If I started getting nosebleeds.. then I would question if it's worth the 35 usd a year, because you can get those fairly easily for most shows.   Which causes a conundrum.  10c secures more tickets than ever before which means they go further back in the arena, which has now disgruntled people.   Maybe they shouldn't try so hard either?

Started before 2000 - 10C was allocating ‘96 and ‘98 reserved seats based on seniority as well but can’t speak to tours prior.

oh wow, didn't know that.  My first show with 10c tickets was Missoula '98 and it was a GA floor, so we got GA.  I guess I shouldn't of assumed the first tour where I had reserved was the the first tour with seniority seating

devonfz

Good points all around I think the bottom line is is I’m really happy theyre still doing a few shows. I think they’re honestly doing a pretty decent job getting a ton of good seats and all the Ga into the hands of the fan club members, and for the most part seniority works for seats it might not be perfect but it’s pretty damn good look at what these other bands are charging they could easily charge to $300 for the GA tickets and that kind of stuff so for me big thanks can’t wait to see everybody in September in Austin

know1

RK50065 said:

know1 said:

SHZA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Eddieredder said:

mattcoz said:

GA pushes everyone back, having fewer shows mean a higher percentage of overall members are selecting each show and pushes everyone back, more ten club seating overall means a higher percentage of winners and pushes everyone back, and of course premium seats pushes everyone back.

Also, in those early years, we could only choose one show. So, there was just much fewer club seats and therefore our seats were a lot better.

I'll bet good $ F2F also pushes people back. More entries since they can now unload tix. 

I entered Chicago with late priority with no expectation of winning, but as a backup in case the higher priority shows didn't work out. Zero risk since I can transfer. Pending re-assignment of course.......but you have to assume I pushed people back. 

All these are good explanations why the 10c seats are going to keep getting worse for those of us who joined in last 10 years 

If they're no longer doing GA only,  seems to be minimal reason to pay the annual fee for whats likely to be upper lever upper rows. Might as well risk it all on f2f 

Access to exclusive merch and the forum alone easily makes the annual fee worth it. Getting a band signed poster for $350 is worth many years of annual fees even if you never get tickets. 

Well those aren't incentives for me at all. I've been a member for all these years simply for the tickets. I've never bought anything else except a few bootlegs and I could care less about the forum. The activity here is a tiny fraction of what it once was. 

'I could care less about the forum'

*posts on forum*

Yeah - I happen to be posting now due to this ticket fiasco, but I'll bet it had been many months since I'd even visited before I got the email about this tour. If the forum went away, I wouldn't miss it. 

Zod

devonfz said:

Good points all around I think the bottom line is is I’m really happy theyre still doing a few shows. I think they’re honestly doing a pretty decent job getting a ton of good seats and all the Ga into the hands of the fan club members, and for the most part seniority works for seats it might not be perfect but it’s pretty damn good look at what these other bands are charging they could easily charge to $300 for the GA tickets and that kind of stuff so for me big thanks can’t wait to see everybody in September in Austin

Yah, I think we're all pretty lucky that our favourite band is one of the few that has gone the distance.  30+ years in and they still tour and play fantastic live shows.    They might not tour as much as they used to, but they do tour, and if you want to see them you can.    So many fans of other bands that don't get that privledge.  I hope they keep trucking a long for a long while yet

lolobugg

Zod said:

100 Pacer said:

Zod said:

The seniority has been a bit odd.  It started on the 2000 tour but it was done in sections, then the 2003 tour in specific seats.   So if you joined the fan club in the early years (90/91 to the mid 90s) you got amazing seats every time.   You would of been in the fan club for 7+ years for the 2000 tour and 10+ years for the 2003 tour.  Someone who signed up in 2003, didn't get the same privledge in 2010 or 2013. 

There's not really enough attrition amongst people who signed up for the 10c prior to seniority.    So people got a lifetime of amazing seats for signed up early, even though they didn't know it at the time.  People who signed up late perpetually got mediocre seats.

The GA thing was great as my seats did start to get a fair bit further back, so even with a '98 membership I quite liked the GA option.

I do think this new move makes most people worse off overall.   I think a fair amount of people did GA or bust, especially when it game to the question of, should I travel for a show).  Oh I got GA, that's worth a trip.     But now with a fair amount of people unhappy with the seats, they'll resell them on fan2fan or elsewhere, and a bunch of 10c'ers sit futher back, while non 10c'ers bought the resold tickets.

I think having the GA only option is good.   Sure it's low odds, especially in big markets (I remember smaller markets like Vancouver doing a 2nd draw in 2013), but it keeps people from getting tickets they don't want and reselling them (pushing other 10c'ers further back).

but yah.. If I started getting nosebleeds.. then I would question if it's worth the 35 usd a year, because you can get those fairly easily for most shows.   Which causes a conundrum.  10c secures more tickets than ever before which means they go further back in the arena, which has now disgruntled people.   Maybe they shouldn't try so hard either?

Started before 2000 - 10C was allocating ‘96 and ‘98 reserved seats based on seniority as well but can’t speak to tours prior.

oh wow, didn't know that.  My first show with 10c tickets was Missoula '98 and it was a GA floor, so we got GA.  I guess I shouldn't of assumed the first tour where I had reserved was the the first tour with seniority seating

yeah i had 3 shows with tix in the first 8 rows in 1998 and one show that was GA floor. in 1996, i had side stage tickets similar to what i get know because they had a GA floor and 10club didn't offer any of these to fanclub members as best as i can remember.