What was the effect of not having a GA Only option?

beatthediese

solace said:

JimmyV said:

Did people who only selected GA/Res finally start winning seats? That wasn't happening early on. 

Yup. Everyone I know personally who only chose that option and not Reserved Only didn't get any reserved tickets until the second day when they started re-allocating.

Yep, happened to me. I selected GA and now I'm in the 300s. Would have happily just taken a loss on the GA without instead being issued some of the worst seats in the house. Assuming they're not going to be super easy to sell F2F.

Chrrie

beatthediese said:

solace said:

JimmyV said:

Did people who only selected GA/Res finally start winning seats? That wasn't happening early on. 

Yup. Everyone I know personally who only chose that option and not Reserved Only didn't get any reserved tickets until the second day when they started re-allocating.

Yep, happened to me. I selected GA and now I'm in the 300s. Would have happily just taken a loss on the GA without instead being issued some of the worst seats in the house. Assuming they're not going to be super easy to sell F2F.

At least with the reassignments next week your 300s should turn into whatever is appropriate for your 10c number.

tschav

PJNB said:

I always thought starting the hype from April 1st and 3rd was odd if they were always going to announce on the 20th.  It makes more sense now with them trying to get more new members or members with extra memberships to fill in all of those Res seats. The majority of those new memberships would of been GA or bust.

Very valid point. That's one way to capture more people on the $35 club plan and ensure higher probability on selling out a majority of shows in markets they don't typically play often.

Eddieredder

josevolution said:

I’d say lesson learned from now on if I do enter any future lottery for this band my best bet is to just choose Reserved and not GA/Reserved! That’s where I made a mistake 

I'm going to wait until the reassignments happen before making that assumption. 

smile6680

dmbolp said:

It's sole purpose was to sell as many Upper section tickets to 10C Members that otherwise wouldn't have been purchased by anyone for $162 each.  Maximize high-priced ticket sales.

You want a chance at GA?  Well you're gonna have to risk getting Uppers instead.

DMB fan club started this many years ago

Is this accurate? Can someone confirm this is what happens when you lose out on GA. Not great if so.

mattcoz

VOLARE said:

That is an interesting question / take. I wonder how it truly works.  If going reserved priority, possibly after not getting GA, you then end up in line for reserved behind those that only chose reserved as priority. That could explain low # members ending up in upper sections.  I think I’m middle of the road # wise and only look for reserved so I can see. I’ve been happy with results but the restack put me deep behind GA on the floor.  Not a ticket I would purchase for myself.  If in turn it becomes GA request gets denied and then goes to front of priority for reserved that would be tough for those only looking for reserved.  Hope it’s not like that because then the only real option is only going for GA and ending up in reserved. I’m not looking for GA but would gladly trade them for comparable reserved.   Making GA an almost mandatory choice to get seats.  Not sure if I am making sense.  

Priority has nothing to do with seating locations, or at least it's not supposed to. Maybe that was part of the problem, but we'll probably never know. They most likely just put everyone who didn't win GA in the same pool as those who picked reserved only, no change in priority.

mattcoz

smile6680 said:

dmbolp said:

It's sole purpose was to sell as many Upper section tickets to 10C Members that otherwise wouldn't have been purchased by anyone for $162 each.  Maximize high-priced ticket sales.

You want a chance at GA?  Well you're gonna have to risk getting Uppers instead.

DMB fan club started this many years ago

Is this accurate? Can someone confirm this is what happens when you lose out on GA. Not great if so.

Yes and no. If you lose out on GA, you get put in the pool for reserved instead, wherever those might be. You still get your same seniority based seating, you don't get penalized or anything. There was never any risk of not filling all the available seats, as can be seen by the shows easily selling out all the upper level tickets, so that part is pure nonsense.

Zod

I see a few pros and cons:

1) I'm very much the kind of person that doesn't travel out of my region for shows (Pacific Northwest).  If I'm mulling it over, I'm very much a GA or bust.  If I'm going to shell out a trip for something, I want to have good tickets for it kind of thing.  I think this change might keep a few people like me out of the pit, so maybe not a bad thing.

2) I think it's rough for reserved seating.  All those fan club tickets that get sold, people aren't happy with their seats, and post them on fan2fan.  Tickets are disposable now.   Don't like your tickets, put 'em on fan2fan, doesn't cost anything, and you don't lose anything, so no harm no foul.    The problem being all the people that will cancel their tickets push back all the reserved fans that use 'em.  Non 10c'ers getting better tickets through fan2fan kind of thing.

I dunno. I hope they bring back the GA only.  I've used it before and was ok with missing out.

VOLARE

mattcoz said:

VOLARE said:

That is an interesting question / take. I wonder how it truly works.  If going reserved priority, possibly after not getting GA, you then end up in line for reserved behind those that only chose reserved as priority. That could explain low # members ending up in upper sections.  I think I’m middle of the road # wise and only look for reserved so I can see. I’ve been happy with results but the restack put me deep behind GA on the floor.  Not a ticket I would purchase for myself.  If in turn it becomes GA request gets denied and then goes to front of priority for reserved that would be tough for those only looking for reserved.  Hope it’s not like that because then the only real option is only going for GA and ending up in reserved. I’m not looking for GA but would gladly trade them for comparable reserved.   Making GA an almost mandatory choice to get seats.  Not sure if I am making sense.  

Priority has nothing to do with seating locations, or at least it's not supposed to. Maybe that was part of the problem, but we'll probably never know. They most likely just put everyone who didn't win GA in the same pool as those who picked reserved only, no change in priority.

So wouldn’t that mean that if you pick GA/Reserve and don’t get GA then you are already in for Reserved as if you had only chosen Reserved? I always thought prior if you pick GA priority and Reserved 2nd then by not getting GA your reserved 2nd Priority came after those who chose Reserved as First Priority for lottery draw. Then afterwards FC# dictated seating.

robbie

It seems like nobody likes the floor seats behind GA. They could sell a lot more tickets if they opened the whole floor to GA and shorter people could scout out a good spot behind other shorter people so they would not be stuck behind someone that is 6'3. Plus, they could put so many 10C members don there, that the reserved 10c seats would be in much better spots. Whenever I go to an all GA floor concert, it seems like everyone can find a spot where they can enjoy themselves. Of course the line of campers outside would be 4 times as long waiting for the spots up front. 

dmbolp

goblues82 said:

dmbolp said:

sean9769 said:

know1 said:

I really think that not having a GA Only option contributed to the mess that is going on. 

I'm not saying it caused the issue with the  seniority or some of the technical snafus. 

But I do think it threw a whole bunch more people into the reserved seat pool that would have gone for GA only in the past. I think that's had at least some effect on seating location. I also think it's going to have a big effect on the Fan2Fan exchange and think we'll see a lot more tickets there than we have in the past. 

Nobody asked me, but I knew when there was no GA Only option that it was going to be a bigger mess than usual.

I agree and frankly some of us would have been fine to be notified we lost GA without being dealt a turd location.  

I'm with you, lots of people are with you, and that's a problem for 10C.  They need people to buy all the lousy Upper seats at a crazy price.

They don’t need you to buy anything. The fact that people are buying the last row of the upper deck at full price means they would have no problem selling the uppers in front of the stage…

But they want more 10C members to buy them, not the General Publc, so that when we complain, and we will complain, they can say they sold as many tickets as possible to 10C members

BV84003

JimmyV said:

Did people who only selected GA/Res finally start winning seats? That wasn't happening early on. 

GA/Res was the only option I picked for both MSP 2 and Chi 1, and I was selected for reserved seats for both shows. Both of my notifications came on Wednesday afternoon though, well after the majority of people seemed to be getting results.

mace1229

dmbolp said:

It's sole purpose was to sell as many Upper section tickets to 10C Members that otherwise wouldn't have been purchased by anyone for $162 each.  Maximize high-priced ticket sales.

You want a chance at GA?  Well you're gonna have to risk getting Uppers instead.

DMB fan club started this many years ago

Maybe not behind the stage, but everywhere else would have sold for $162 fan club or not. 

devonfz

I love the GA reserved choice There is absolutely no affect on what happens. Not sure why people think there is. they have a glitch they’re trying to fix it. If you have first choice GA reserved and don’t get GA then you’re obviously in first choice reserved. Luckily they have so many tickets available that just about everyone got their choices this time there used to be a time just being in the building was good enough but I guess not now oh no I’m in the 300s. Let’s at least wait until the reassignment of seats before we make our conclusions and let’s be honest if you have a number in the 300s or 400s with all the demand yes you’re probably gonna be in the second or third level.

Kevinman

devonfz said:

I love the GA reserved choice There is absolutely no affect on what happens. Not sure why people think there is. they have a glitch they’re trying to fix it. If you have first choice GA reserved and don’t get GA then you’re obviously in first choice reserved. Luckily they have so many tickets available that just about everyone got their choices this time there used to be a time just being in the building was good enough but I guess not now oh no I’m in the 300s. Let’s at least wait until the reassignment of seats before we make our conclusions and let’s be honest if you have a number in the 300s or 400s with all the demand yes you’re probably gonna be in the second or third level.

It does have an affect on what happens.  Probably not so much for me but for members with higher 10C #s it can absolutely have an affect.  Let me give you an example:

Your 10C # is 300xxx.  100 members with lower numbers than you put in for GA/Reserved but really only want GA and will sell the tickets via F2F if they end up with reserved.  They all get reserved and sell.  This puts you 200 seats further back than you would have been if there was an option for GA only.

Make sense?

Again, as my number is 177xxx I probably do not feel the affect of this as much as members with higher numbers.

know1

devonfz said:

I love the GA reserved choice There is absolutely no affect on what happens. Not sure why people think there is. they have a glitch they’re trying to fix it. If you have first choice GA reserved and don’t get GA then you’re obviously in first choice reserved. Luckily they have so many tickets available that just about everyone got their choices this time there used to be a time just being in the building was good enough but I guess not now oh no I’m in the 300s. Let’s at least wait until the reassignment of seats before we make our conclusions and let’s be honest if you have a number in the 300s or 400s with all the demand yes you’re probably gonna be in the second or third level.

You're not correct that there was no affect on tickets, demand, seat assignments, etc. of not having a GA Only option. Maybe it didn't contribute to the technical glitches (or maybe it did), but it is absolutely affecting lots of aspects of the seats for these shows. 

Merkin Baller

solace said:

JimmyV said:

Did people who only selected GA/Res finally start winning seats? That wasn't happening early on. 

Yup. Everyone I know personally who only chose that option and not Reserved Only didn't get any reserved tickets until the second day when they started re-allocating.

I'm in this category.... I pulled GA only for St Paul N2 on the first day, the next day our reserved for N1 came through as well. 

devonfz

10 club clearly stated tickets were gonna be spread way up into the upper levels on this tour because they had secured so many more. I’m just not sure how anyone thinks their seat assignment is going to be affected by anything other than seniority, even if they have the old system where they had general admission only you can still just make reserve your second choice and you would’ve still got picked because they have so many more seats for members not sure how anyone thinks that their seat assignment is being horribly affected maybe a few people will sell the reserve seats if they don’t get GA but I don’t think it’s that many bottom line is they said they were selling seats in the upper deck to the fan club obviously it’s going to go to people in the fan club with higher numbers but let’s just wait and see when we get our new seat assignments. Hopefully they get it worked out. I personally am gratified that they are going out for even nine shows and that  I’m gonna get to go to two of them in Austin.

mattcoz

VOLARE said:

mattcoz said:

VOLARE said:

That is an interesting question / take. I wonder how it truly works.  If going reserved priority, possibly after not getting GA, you then end up in line for reserved behind those that only chose reserved as priority. That could explain low # members ending up in upper sections.  I think I’m middle of the road # wise and only look for reserved so I can see. I’ve been happy with results but the restack put me deep behind GA on the floor.  Not a ticket I would purchase for myself.  If in turn it becomes GA request gets denied and then goes to front of priority for reserved that would be tough for those only looking for reserved.  Hope it’s not like that because then the only real option is only going for GA and ending up in reserved. I’m not looking for GA but would gladly trade them for comparable reserved.   Making GA an almost mandatory choice to get seats.  Not sure if I am making sense.  

Priority has nothing to do with seating locations, or at least it's not supposed to. Maybe that was part of the problem, but we'll probably never know. They most likely just put everyone who didn't win GA in the same pool as those who picked reserved only, no change in priority.

So wouldn’t that mean that if you pick GA/Reserve and don’t get GA then you are already in for Reserved as if you had only chosen Reserved? I always thought prior if you pick GA priority and Reserved 2nd then by not getting GA your reserved 2nd Priority came after those who chose Reserved as First Priority for lottery draw. Then afterwards FC# dictated seating.

Yes, exactly.

mattcoz

dmbolp said:

goblues82 said:

dmbolp said:

sean9769 said:

know1 said:

I really think that not having a GA Only option contributed to the mess that is going on. 

I'm not saying it caused the issue with the  seniority or some of the technical snafus. 

But I do think it threw a whole bunch more people into the reserved seat pool that would have gone for GA only in the past. I think that's had at least some effect on seating location. I also think it's going to have a big effect on the Fan2Fan exchange and think we'll see a lot more tickets there than we have in the past. 

Nobody asked me, but I knew when there was no GA Only option that it was going to be a bigger mess than usual.

I agree and frankly some of us would have been fine to be notified we lost GA without being dealt a turd location.  

I'm with you, lots of people are with you, and that's a problem for 10C.  They need people to buy all the lousy Upper seats at a crazy price.

They don’t need you to buy anything. The fact that people are buying the last row of the upper deck at full price means they would have no problem selling the uppers in front of the stage…

But they want more 10C members to buy them, not the General Publc, so that when we complain, and we will complain, they can say they sold as many tickets as possible to 10C members

Wow...