What was the effect of not having a GA Only option?

pjl44

know1 said:

I'm really surprised there isn't more traction/comments on this issue. The Ten Club essentially forced a lot more of their tickets into the hands of the members who may or may not want them because they were just looking for GA. I think it's a fairly big deal, but I guess many can't really see the ramifications and connections.

Because there are some positives to it depending on your situation:

- This is great if you have a very low number. You just need to get picked for the lottery then seniority gives you the hook up. More supply = better chance of selection.

- If you are a "just get me in the building" person, more supply is obviously better

The person most negativity impacted is someone with a highish number who only wants great seats. GA/Res creates a little risk that actually helps the other groups. Gotta think hard, especially about entries from multiple accounts.

PJNB

They received more 10C tickets this time around which is great if you just want to get in the building. Them combining GA/Res together is just selling tickets to some people that do not want RES tickets however. These will be thrown on Fan to Fan whenever it becomes available and they may or may not sell in some shows we will see. The good news for those looking to dump the tickets they did not want is the fact that uppers are all sold out at all shows and you will just just be competing with other fans selling too. 

Next year however with a larger tour likely coming some markets will force people to eat these tickets since we can not sell at a reduced rate.

devonfz

Another point I got is maybe they felt general admission tickets were being worked a little bit multiple fan club is putting in for them with the higher numbers and then using their lower numbers for seats? I feel that this option has added more fairness, and frankly is a benefit to members with seniority on any other tour without as many tickets especially the Chicago shows if you put it in for GA and didn’t get it you likely weren’t going to get tickets for the show plus another thing is some of the big shows of years past like Madison Square Garden in Philly and others. The odds of GA were down under 20%. So I’m looking at it from the thought that members with low numbers can relax and put them in for GA maybe they’ll get it maybe not but also get their seat

dmbolp

I'll take the opposing view on this is good for very low number members. 

"Just win the lottery and you get great seats" - Your seats aren't going to be better than the past, they're going to be worse.  The additional tickets are in the Upper sections; there aren't additional good Lower tickets.  And many of the best tickets are now PJ Premiums not in the 10C allotment that previously went to 10C members.

RK50065

bbiggs said:

Go Beavers said:

know1 said:

I'm really surprised there isn't more traction/comments on this issue. The Ten Club essentially forced a lot more of their tickets into the hands of the members who may or may not want them because they were just looking for GA. I think it's a fairly big deal, but I guess many can't really see the ramifications and connections.

I think a lot of people’s disappointment with their seat location is based on the assumption that they’d have a decent seat even with a bad number clashing with ignoring the level of demand combined with way more seats being allocated to the 10c. Reflecting on your 2013 seats and saying they were pretty good, and thinking now it’s 10 years later so they’ll be that much better is setting yourself up. The people who complained that they got shut out of past shows are now complaining that they have crap seats. 

Priority 5 - St. Louis RESERVED - WON - 99% odds

It never sat well with me I lost STL in 2020 as my 3rd priority (selected GA and Reserved). Is the 2020 lottery info in your My Tickets section (mine isn't), or did you go back to your Ticketstoday email?

mace1229

know1 said:

Personally, I'd rather have people create multiple membership accounts than my seats getting pushed way back. My feeling is there is going to be a big drop in membership after these shows. At this point, I'm getting farther and farther away even though I've faithfully maintained a membership for over 20 years. 

We don't know our seats yet. I've been in about 25 years, haven't had a bad seat. Worst one was probably Wrigley 2018, I think we were about 15 rows back ( I think I was row R), between Mike and Ed. DIdn't look that good when we got there, but turn around and realize there's 60,000 behind you, made it feel not so bad. 

My only seats last tour was Nashville. Not too bad, up to the side, almost exact same spot I had in Denver 2014 - my last show before Wrigley. I'm expecting something similar with the new seats coming this week. .

pjl44

dmbolp said:

I'll take the opposing view on this is good for very low number members. 

"Just win the lottery and you get great seats" - Your seats aren't going to be better than the past, they're going to be worse.  The additional tickets are in the Upper sections; there aren't additional good Lower tickets.  And many of the best tickets are now PJ Premiums not in the 10C allotment that previously went to 10C members.

This has more to do with GA and Platinum existing. If both will continue on, the expanded allocations and GA/Res options are a net positive for those with very good numbers.

pjl44

devonfz said:

Another point I got is maybe they felt general admission tickets were being worked a little bit multiple fan club is putting in for them with the higher numbers and then using their lower numbers for seats? I feel that this option has added more fairness, and frankly is a benefit to members with seniority on any other tour without as many tickets especially the Chicago shows if you put it in for GA and didn’t get it you likely weren’t going to get tickets for the show plus another thing is some of the big shows of years past like Madison Square Garden in Philly and others. The odds of GA were down under 20%. So I’m looking at it from the thought that members with low numbers can relax and put them in for GA maybe they’ll get it maybe not but also get their seat

I also subscribe to this theory but will be the first to admit it could be total wishcasting

josevolution

mace1229 said:

know1 said:

Personally, I'd rather have people create multiple membership accounts than my seats getting pushed way back. My feeling is there is going to be a big drop in membership after these shows. At this point, I'm getting farther and farther away even though I've faithfully maintained a membership for over 20 years. 

We don't know our seats yet. I've been in about 25 years, haven't had a bad seat. Worst one was probably Wrigley 2018, I think we were about 15 rows back ( I think I was row R), between Mike and Ed. DIdn't look that good when we got there, but turn around and realize there's 60,000 behind you, made it feel not so bad. 

My only seats last tour was Nashville. Not too bad, up to the side, almost exact same spot I had in Denver 2014 - my last show before Wrigley. I'm expecting something similar with the new seats coming this week. .

I’ve been in 30 years this April! So your number must be decent? I’m keeping my expectations low this time with what happened but we should be ok with reassignment 

Merkin Baller

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

know1 said:

Personally, I'd rather have people create multiple membership accounts than my seats getting pushed way back. My feeling is there is going to be a big drop in membership after these shows. At this point, I'm getting farther and farther away even though I've faithfully maintained a membership for over 20 years. 

We don't know our seats yet. I've been in about 25 years, haven't had a bad seat. Worst one was probably Wrigley 2018, I think we were about 15 rows back ( I think I was row R), between Mike and Ed. DIdn't look that good when we got there, but turn around and realize there's 60,000 behind you, made it feel not so bad. 

My only seats last tour was Nashville. Not too bad, up to the side, almost exact same spot I had in Denver 2014 - my last show before Wrigley. I'm expecting something similar with the new seats coming this week. .

I’ve been in 30 years this April! So your number must be decent? I’m keeping my expectations low this time with what happened but we should be ok with reassignment 

If you two don't have good seats than this whole 10C ticket process is f'ed beyond recognition. 

iOnlyownMymind

30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no?  Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.

tschav

It'd be interesting to see how seating would look without a GA section - would we truly see seating upgrades compared to 10, 20 years ago. Premium pushed some seating back, but taking half an arena's floor up pushes everyone back substantially.

If they continue to do 2 dates per city, keep the seating experiment going:
- Do one night with a full floor GA and only sell PJ Premium in that section to get that $$$ without impacting reserved seats on the wings/back
- Make the second night all Res seats, kill the GA section to push all 10c members closer

Kevinman

iOnlyownMymind said:

30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no?  Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.

I'm in 25 years and seats were better in the first 5 years in comparison to the last 20.

mattcoz

devonfz said:

Another point I got is maybe they felt general admission tickets were being worked a little bit multiple fan club is putting in for them with the higher numbers and then using their lower numbers for seats? I feel that this option has added more fairness, and frankly is a benefit to members with seniority on any other tour without as many tickets especially the Chicago shows if you put it in for GA and didn’t get it you likely weren’t going to get tickets for the show plus another thing is some of the big shows of years past like Madison Square Garden in Philly and others. The odds of GA were down under 20%. So I’m looking at it from the thought that members with low numbers can relax and put them in for GA maybe they’ll get it maybe not but also get their seat

I agree with this, I think this option is the most fair way to handle GA.

mace1229

Kevinman said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no?  Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.

I'm in 25 years and seats were better in the first 5 years in comparison to the last 20.

I can't really remember where my seats were the first few tours (2000, 2003, 2006), but I'm guessing they were pretty good. For about the last 15 years they've been about the same for me. The best one may have been Universal City 2009

bbiggs

RK50065 said:

bbiggs said:

Go Beavers said:

know1 said:

I'm really surprised there isn't more traction/comments on this issue. The Ten Club essentially forced a lot more of their tickets into the hands of the members who may or may not want them because they were just looking for GA. I think it's a fairly big deal, but I guess many can't really see the ramifications and connections.

I think a lot of people’s disappointment with their seat location is based on the assumption that they’d have a decent seat even with a bad number clashing with ignoring the level of demand combined with way more seats being allocated to the 10c. Reflecting on your 2013 seats and saying they were pretty good, and thinking now it’s 10 years later so they’ll be that much better is setting yourself up. The people who complained that they got shut out of past shows are now complaining that they have crap seats. 

Priority 5 - St. Louis RESERVED - WON - 99% odds

It never sat well with me I lost STL in 2020 as my 3rd priority (selected GA and Reserved). Is the 2020 lottery info in your My Tickets section (mine isn't), or did you go back to your Ticketstoday email?

I went to my original email from Tickets Today.  It actually showed the odds, which was surprising.  That is strange that you didn't get reserved tickets being that they had 99% odds.  That's some bad luck.

Eddieredder

Kevinman said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no?  Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.

I'm in 25 years and seats were better in the first 5 years in comparison to the last 20.

Isn't this just math and probability? More members = lower probability

I say this without knowing how the fan club has grown, but just based on longevity its a pretty safe assumption. 

I'm going to assume F2F intro year had the biggest effect recently. Now with a resale option those with enough of a credit limit can just go for EVERY show. I'm certainly going for more now. Why wouldn't you? Add in that you can transfer in NY and Chi? Everyone should go for MSG. There is virtually no risk now.

We asked and received this option. This is one of the effects. 

PJNB

Eddieredder said:

Kevinman said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no?  Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.

I'm in 25 years and seats were better in the first 5 years in comparison to the last 20.

Isn't this just math and probability? More members = lower probability

I say this without knowing how the fan club has grown, but just based on longevity its a pretty safe assumption. 

The theory you should move up in seniority and better seating unknowingly since people do not renew over the years. Premium has def changed this now. 

Another thing to consider is GA now pushes all the good seats to the wings and first rows of the floor. In the past the best seats were on the floor up close to the stage so if you were getting wing seats then you are obviously pushed back even more in the lower bowl now. 

Merkin Baller

Eddieredder said:

Kevinman said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no?  Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.

I'm in 25 years and seats were better in the first 5 years in comparison to the last 20.

Isn't this just math and probability? More members = lower probability

I say this without knowing how the fan club has grown, but just based on longevity its a pretty safe assumption. 

Lower probability of scoring tickets sure, but seats shouldn't be pushed back because of new members, not if they're allocated based on seniority in the fan club. 

josevolution

mace1229 said:

Kevinman said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no?  Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.

I'm in 25 years and seats were better in the first 5 years in comparison to the last 20.

I can't really remember where my seats were the first few tours (2000, 2003, 2006), but I'm guessing they were pretty good. For about the last 15 years they've been about the same for me. The best one may have been Universal City 2009

I can tell you for sure that those three tours my seats were front row! Jones beach,MSG, New Jersey shows.