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What was the effect of not having a GA Only option?
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know1 said:I'm really surprised there isn't more traction/comments on this issue. The Ten Club essentially forced a lot more of their tickets into the hands of the members who may or may not want them because they were just looking for GA. I think it's a fairly big deal, but I guess many can't really see the ramifications and connections.
- This is great if you have a very low number. You just need to get picked for the lottery then seniority gives you the hook up. More supply = better chance of selection.
- If you are a "just get me in the building" person, more supply is obviously better
The person most negativity impacted is someone with a highish number who only wants great seats. GA/Res creates a little risk that actually helps the other groups. Gotta think hard, especially about entries from multiple accounts.0 -
They received more 10C tickets this time around which is great if you just want to get in the building. Them combining GA/Res together is just selling tickets to some people that do not want RES tickets however. These will be thrown on Fan to Fan whenever it becomes available and they may or may not sell in some shows we will see. The good news for those looking to dump the tickets they did not want is the fact that uppers are all sold out at all shows and you will just just be competing with other fans selling too.
Next year however with a larger tour likely coming some markets will force people to eat these tickets since we can not sell at a reduced rate.
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Another point I got is maybe they felt general admission tickets were being worked a little bit multiple fan club is putting in for them with the higher numbers and then using their lower numbers for seats? I feel that this option has added more fairness, and frankly is a benefit to members with seniority on any other tour without as many tickets especially the Chicago shows if you put it in for GA and didn’t get it you likely weren’t going to get tickets for the show plus another thing is some of the big shows of years past like Madison Square Garden in Philly and others. The odds of GA were down under 20%. So I’m looking at it from the thought that members with low numbers can relax and put them in for GA maybe they’ll get it maybe not but also get their seat0
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I'll take the opposing view on this is good for very low number members.
"Just win the lottery and you get great seats" - Your seats aren't going to be better than the past, they're going to be worse. The additional tickets are in the Upper sections; there aren't additional good Lower tickets. And many of the best tickets are now PJ Premiums not in the 10C allotment that previously went to 10C members.0 -
bbiggs said:Go Beavers said:know1 said:I'm really surprised there isn't more traction/comments on this issue. The Ten Club essentially forced a lot more of their tickets into the hands of the members who may or may not want them because they were just looking for GA. I think it's a fairly big deal, but I guess many can't really see the ramifications and connections.Priority 5 - St. Louis RESERVED - WON - 99% odds
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know1 said:Personally, I'd rather have people create multiple membership accounts than my seats getting pushed way back. My feeling is there is going to be a big drop in membership after these shows. At this point, I'm getting farther and farther away even though I've faithfully maintained a membership for over 20 years.
My only seats last tour was Nashville. Not too bad, up to the side, almost exact same spot I had in Denver 2014 - my last show before Wrigley. I'm expecting something similar with the new seats coming this week. .Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
dmbolp said:I'll take the opposing view on this is good for very low number members.
"Just win the lottery and you get great seats" - Your seats aren't going to be better than the past, they're going to be worse. The additional tickets are in the Upper sections; there aren't additional good Lower tickets. And many of the best tickets are now PJ Premiums not in the 10C allotment that previously went to 10C members.0 -
devonfz said:Another point I got is maybe they felt general admission tickets were being worked a little bit multiple fan club is putting in for them with the higher numbers and then using their lower numbers for seats? I feel that this option has added more fairness, and frankly is a benefit to members with seniority on any other tour without as many tickets especially the Chicago shows if you put it in for GA and didn’t get it you likely weren’t going to get tickets for the show plus another thing is some of the big shows of years past like Madison Square Garden in Philly and others. The odds of GA were down under 20%. So I’m looking at it from the thought that members with low numbers can relax and put them in for GA maybe they’ll get it maybe not but also get their seat0
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mace1229 said:know1 said:Personally, I'd rather have people create multiple membership accounts than my seats getting pushed way back. My feeling is there is going to be a big drop in membership after these shows. At this point, I'm getting farther and farther away even though I've faithfully maintained a membership for over 20 years.
My only seats last tour was Nashville. Not too bad, up to the side, almost exact same spot I had in Denver 2014 - my last show before Wrigley. I'm expecting something similar with the new seats coming this week. .jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
josevolution said:mace1229 said:know1 said:Personally, I'd rather have people create multiple membership accounts than my seats getting pushed way back. My feeling is there is going to be a big drop in membership after these shows. At this point, I'm getting farther and farther away even though I've faithfully maintained a membership for over 20 years.
My only seats last tour was Nashville. Not too bad, up to the side, almost exact same spot I had in Denver 2014 - my last show before Wrigley. I'm expecting something similar with the new seats coming this week. .0 -
30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no? Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.
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It'd be interesting to see how seating would look without a GA section - would we truly see seating upgrades compared to 10, 20 years ago. Premium pushed some seating back, but taking half an arena's floor up pushes everyone back substantially.
If they continue to do 2 dates per city, keep the seating experiment going:
- Do one night with a full floor GA and only sell PJ Premium in that section to get that $$$ without impacting reserved seats on the wings/back
- Make the second night all Res seats, kill the GA section to push all 10c members closer0 -
iOnlyownMymind said:30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no? Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.I am lost, I'm no guide, but I'm by your side0
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devonfz said:Another point I got is maybe they felt general admission tickets were being worked a little bit multiple fan club is putting in for them with the higher numbers and then using their lower numbers for seats? I feel that this option has added more fairness, and frankly is a benefit to members with seniority on any other tour without as many tickets especially the Chicago shows if you put it in for GA and didn’t get it you likely weren’t going to get tickets for the show plus another thing is some of the big shows of years past like Madison Square Garden in Philly and others. The odds of GA were down under 20%. So I’m looking at it from the thought that members with low numbers can relax and put them in for GA maybe they’ll get it maybe not but also get their seat
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Kevinman said:iOnlyownMymind said:30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no? Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.0
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RK50065 said:bbiggs said:Go Beavers said:know1 said:I'm really surprised there isn't more traction/comments on this issue. The Ten Club essentially forced a lot more of their tickets into the hands of the members who may or may not want them because they were just looking for GA. I think it's a fairly big deal, but I guess many can't really see the ramifications and connections.Priority 5 - St. Louis RESERVED - WON - 99% odds
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Kevinman said:iOnlyownMymind said:30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no? Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.
I say this without knowing how the fan club has grown, but just based on longevity its a pretty safe assumption.
I'm going to assume F2F intro year had the biggest effect recently. Now with a resale option those with enough of a credit limit can just go for EVERY show. I'm certainly going for more now. Why wouldn't you? Add in that you can transfer in NY and Chi? Everyone should go for MSG. There is virtually no risk now.
We asked and received this option. This is one of the effects.Post edited by Eddieredder on0 -
Eddieredder said:Kevinman said:iOnlyownMymind said:30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no? Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.
I say this without knowing how the fan club has grown, but just based on longevity its a pretty safe assumption.
Another thing to consider is GA now pushes all the good seats to the wings and first rows of the floor. In the past the best seats were on the floor up close to the stage so if you were getting wing seats then you are obviously pushed back even more in the lower bowl now.Post edited by PJNB on0 -
Eddieredder said:Kevinman said:iOnlyownMymind said:30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no? Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.
I say this without knowing how the fan club has grown, but just based on longevity its a pretty safe assumption.
Lower probability of scoring tickets sure, but seats shouldn't be pushed back because of new members, not if they're allocated based on seniority in the fan club.
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mace1229 said:Kevinman said:iOnlyownMymind said:30 year member should be in first side section, first few rows, no? Unless they save some of those rows for Premium to open up, which would suck.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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