I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify.
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
Its making up lost revenue from being shut down from March of 2020 until Sept of 2021...
You can call me crazy, but I prefer to have good seats (at worst) before spending $1000+ on flights and hotels (plus maybe using vacation days). Being surprised with craptacular seats walking into an arena doesn't sound awesome.
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I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify.
Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset. I think that's what stung me the most. Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
Its making up lost revenue from being shut down from March of 2020 until Sept of 2021...
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
Its making up lost revenue from being shut down from March of 2020 until Sept of 2021...
That's one explanation. But I'm guessing prices are never coming down even years after the losses due to the pandemic. Another explanation is to look at the demographics of these shows. Back in the early 90s the average age of those attending was late teens early 20s. The bands were in their 20s themselves. Sad truth is that we are mostly middle aged fans with much higher incomes ready to spend whatever it takes to see our favorite bands. Supply and demand also is a big factor. If Pearl Jam sold tickets for premium prices in the Vitalogy or earlier years, the kids would not be alright with that. We probably would have turned on the band! We took it to heart that selling out was uncool!
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
Its making up lost revenue from being shut down from March of 2020 until Sept of 2021...
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
Its making up lost revenue from being shut down from March of 2020 until Sept of 2021...
That's one explanation. But I'm guessing prices are never coming down even years after the losses due to the pandemic. Another explanation is to look at the demographics of these shows. Back in the early 90s the average age of those attending was late teens early 20s. The bands were in their 20s themselves. Sad truth is that we are mostly middle aged fans with much higher incomes ready to spend whatever it takes to see our favorite bands. Supply and demand also is a big factor. If Pearl Jam sold tickets for premium prices in the Vitalogy or earlier years, the kids would not be alright with that. We probably would have turned on the band!
I think this is a very true point. Most fans are well established at this point and willing to spend serious cash to see the band.
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I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify.
Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset. I think that's what stung me the most. Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.
That's not a bad idea. Ed's solo and Earthling shows always have different prices depending on seat location. PJ is one of the very few bands that has the same price throughout the entire venue. The only other artist that comes to mind that does this is Garth Brooks.
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I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify.
Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset. I think that's what stung me the most. Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.
That's not a bad idea. Ed's solo and Earthling shows always have different prices depending on seat location. PJ is one of the very few bands that has the same price throughout the entire venue. The only other artist that comes to mind that does this is Garth Brooks.
Closer seats should always cost more IMO. GA is more of a crapshoot depending on how early you want to (or can) line up.. but certainly not all seats are equal, and shouldn't be priced equally. I guess by this logic, low TC #s would always be paying more for non-GA lottery wins than newer members. But there's really no reason why (hypothetically) section 110 right by the stage should cost the same as 336 in the whole opposite corner of the arena in the nosebleeds. None.
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I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
Its making up lost revenue from being shut down from March of 2020 until Sept of 2021...
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
Its making up lost revenue from being shut down from March of 2020 until Sept of 2021...
That's one explanation. But I'm guessing prices are never coming down even years after the losses due to the pandemic. Another explanation is to look at the demographics of these shows. Back in the early 90s the average age of those attending was late teens early 20s. The bands were in their 20s themselves. Sad truth is that we are mostly middle aged fans with much higher incomes ready to spend whatever it takes to see our favorite bands. Supply and demand also is a big factor. If Pearl Jam sold tickets for premium prices in the Vitalogy or earlier years, the kids would not be alright with that. We probably would have turned on the band!
I think this is a very true point. Most fans are well established at this point and willing to spend serious cash to see the band.
This has been true for awhile now, but only now we see this increase in net price, I agree its part of the equation... why the big bump over 2020,... we have not all of sudden become better off in the past 3 years.. I would argue the opposite with inflation etc... This accomplishes two goals, keep pricing through the club reasonable for majority of fans, most of whom average 3-4 shows per tour.. and raising the net revenue per show..its a business after all.. Expect posters to be 50, and shirts too... If PJ can make the same or more money doing 9 shows vs doing 15-20 seems to be the answer..
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
It's both, it's a lot of things. Overhead has increased since COVID, inflation has increased, and the venues/promoters are trying to recoup lost revenue from years of no concerts by raising prices and fees. The $1000 tickets have always existed, or close to them, they're just now being shown next to regular face value tickets instead of only on reseller sites.
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify.
Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset. I think that's what stung me the most. Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.
Agree 100% with the bold part. When I go to a sporting event or any other concert, I pay more to sit close. I prefer it that way.
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
It's both, it's a lot of things. Overhead has increased since COVID, inflation has increased, and the venues/promoters are trying to recoup lost revenue from years of no concerts by raising prices and fees. The $1000 tickets have always existed, or close to them, they're just now being shown next to regular face value tickets instead of only on reseller sites.
Its really the promoter trying to cut out the middle men (brokers/scalpers) If the promoter sells a ticket for $85 and the scalpers are successfully moving them for $250.....why wouldn't the promoter raise the price. Why let a scalper succeed. The market obviously dictates that the price is obtainable?
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify.
Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset. I think that's what stung me the most. Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.
Agree 100% with the bold part. When I go to a sporting event or any other concert, I pay more to sit close. I prefer it that way.
I'm selfish, I prefer paying less for my good 10C seats, lol.
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
It's both, it's a lot of things. Overhead has increased since COVID, inflation has increased, and the venues/promoters are trying to recoup lost revenue from years of no concerts by raising prices and fees. The $1000 tickets have always existed, or close to them, they're just now being shown next to regular face value tickets instead of only on reseller sites.
Its really the promoter trying to cut out the middle men (brokers/scalpers) If the promoter sells a ticket for $85 and the scalpers are successfully moving them for $250.....why wouldn't the promoter raise the price. Why let a scalper succeed. The market obviously dictates that the price is obtainable?
Yup, exactly. But people see that when going to buy tickets and it's a shock, especially when all the face value tickets sell out so fast.
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify.
Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset. I think that's what stung me the most. Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.
Agree 100% with the bold part. When I go to a sporting event or any other concert, I pay more to sit close. I prefer it that way.
I'm selfish, I prefer paying less for my good 10C seats, lol.
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
At what point is this inflation based versus pure gouging due to monopolized ticketing? I find it hard to believe that overhead has increased THAT much in just a few years. I'm looking at my old ticket stubs from the 80s and 90s and cannot comprehend how high the prices have become since. I paid $25 with fees in 1992 to see Metallica at the peak of their popularity, all general admission back then. It wasn't much different for Gun N Roses either in 1993. Guns N Roses AND Metallica in 1993 was $27.50. Lollapalooza in the early 90s was around $25 or so. Most ticket prices were under $50 until Madonna started charging those prices. I recently saw an old clip of Kurt Cobain's eyes going wide at the idea that Madonna was charging that much. Outrageous. I know times have changed, but come on. $1,000 plus tickets???!! Something's broken here.
It's both, it's a lot of things. Overhead has increased since COVID, inflation has increased, and the venues/promoters are trying to recoup lost revenue from years of no concerts by raising prices and fees. The $1000 tickets have always existed, or close to them, they're just now being shown next to regular face value tickets instead of only on reseller sites.
Its really the promoter trying to cut out the middle men (brokers/scalpers) If the promoter sells a ticket for $85 and the scalpers are successfully moving them for $250.....why wouldn't the promoter raise the price. Why let a scalper succeed. The market obviously dictates that the price is obtainable?
Yup, exactly. But people see that when going to buy tickets and it's a shock, especially when all the face value tickets sell out so fast.
I always preferred paying less for my good 10C seats as well. What used to be 100 level seats at worst for me has now moved to 300 level seats at worst. As their policy has changed, so has my perspective. It is all relative.
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify.
Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset. I think that's what stung me the most. Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.
That's not a bad idea. Ed's solo and Earthling shows always have different prices depending on seat location. PJ is one of the very few bands that has the same price throughout the entire venue. The only other artist that comes to mind that does this is Garth Brooks.
Closer seats should always cost more IMO. GA is more of a crapshoot depending on how early you want to (or can) line up.. but certainly not all seats are equal, and shouldn't be priced equally. I guess by this logic, low TC #s would always be paying more for non-GA lottery wins than newer members. But there's really no reason why (hypothetically) section 110 right by the stage should cost the same as 336 in the whole opposite corner of the arena in the nosebleeds. None.
If they ever did move to this system, I would imagine you can select the tier you want and it would be based on seniority from there. But that would just complicate it a lot more, lets get just a basic system right first before we move to something a little more complicated.
But Ga vs Reserved having different prices seems easy to do.
IMHO 1. Get rid of Priority, Keep Seniority (Each show is it's own lotto) - clearly the TM Algo cannot do both 2. Stop it with Fan 2 Fan especially now that you are giving out 300 level seats to fans who might take a 100% loss. (Free Market is Better) 3. CAP your PJ Premium Pricing (truly embarrassing) and Go Back to Calling it Platinum and Let TM take the heat for you 4. Bring Back GA Only (you prob won't but you should)
I was thinking about the premium thing.. and came up with this math.. 15000 Capacity, 15% premium 12500 Standard, 2500 Premium. If standard ticket $165 with Fees... total gate is $2,062,500 If Premium ticket is Average $800 with Fees .. that total is 2,000,000 ...
Average price per Seat is $265...
Would you pay $265 per seat, per show for No premium.
Puts things into perspective, when in 2020, the tickets were $122 ea with Fees, x 15000, total gate would be $1,830,000 (218% increase)
Interesting to think about. If tickets were to creep up to $265 per seat, I’m probably sitting the show out unless they are really great seats. Pushing $600 for 2 people with parking is tough to justify.
Part of this is the way PJ keeps the price the same regardless of seat in the arena. Excluding premium, GA cost the same as 300's behind the stage. I'd be in favor of raising prices for the good seats and keeping the crappy one's the same or lowering to offset. I think that's what stung me the most. Paying $160+ for a seat in the very back corner is tough to swallow, but $160+ for a GA ticket is a smoking deal. I know it's luck of the draw for GA or not, and obviously the seating by seniority, but the prices could still reflect the seats. Enter for all you are comfortable with knowing if you get pulled for GA it's $250 a pop, lower res it's $175 and upper res it's $125 or something.
That's not a bad idea. Ed's solo and Earthling shows always have different prices depending on seat location. PJ is one of the very few bands that has the same price throughout the entire venue. The only other artist that comes to mind that does this is Garth Brooks.
Closer seats should always cost more IMO. GA is more of a crapshoot depending on how early you want to (or can) line up.. but certainly not all seats are equal, and shouldn't be priced equally. I guess by this logic, low TC #s would always be paying more for non-GA lottery wins than newer members. But there's really no reason why (hypothetically) section 110 right by the stage should cost the same as 336 in the whole opposite corner of the arena in the nosebleeds. None.
Wouldn't fully agree with this specific point:
I guess by this logic, low TC #s would always be paying more for non-GA lottery wins than newer members.
It would be subject to whatever people felt comfortable paying.
In the extreme example, if no older Ten Club members are willing to pay $175 - 250, then all new members would be winning (if new members were willing to pay that).
If all members are willing to pay up to top price then you are correct the low TC numbers would be paying more than newer members, by virtue of newer members being shut out of the better higher priced tickets.
But, I don't know that lower TC members would universally get on board with higher prices for higher quality seats.
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This has been true for awhile now, but only now we see this increase in net price, I agree its part of the equation... why the big bump over 2020,... we have not all of sudden become better off in the past 3 years.. I would argue the opposite with inflation etc... This accomplishes two goals, keep pricing through the club reasonable for majority of fans, most of whom average 3-4 shows per tour.. and raising the net revenue per show..its a business after all.. Expect posters to be 50, and shirts too... If PJ can make the same or more money doing 9 shows vs doing 15-20 seems to be the answer..
Agree 100% with the bold part. When I go to a sporting event or any other concert, I pay more to sit close. I prefer it that way.
Yup, exactly. But people see that when going to buy tickets and it's a shock, especially when all the face value tickets sell out so fast.
I always preferred paying less for my good 10C seats as well. What used to be 100 level seats at worst for me has now moved to 300 level seats at worst. As their policy has changed, so has my perspective. It is all relative.
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But Ga vs Reserved having different prices seems easy to do.
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1. Get rid of Priority, Keep Seniority (Each show is it's own lotto) - clearly the TM Algo cannot do both
2. Stop it with Fan 2 Fan especially now that you are giving out 300 level seats to fans who might take a 100% loss. (Free Market is Better)
3. CAP your PJ Premium Pricing (truly embarrassing) and Go Back to Calling it Platinum and Let TM take the heat for you
4. Bring Back GA Only (you prob won't but you should)
I guess by this logic, low TC #s would always be paying more for non-GA lottery wins than newer members.
It would be subject to whatever people felt comfortable paying.
In the extreme example, if no older Ten Club members are willing to pay $175 - 250, then all new members would be winning (if new members were willing to pay that).
If all members are willing to pay up to top price then you are correct the low TC numbers would be paying more than newer members, by virtue of newer members being shut out of the better higher priced tickets.
But, I don't know that lower TC members would universally get on board with higher prices for higher quality seats.
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