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  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,349
    SHZA said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    in the rain nonetheless.....we all want something, but the cost isnt worth it financially and huge waste of time

    but i guess flippers dont really have jobs, or decent ones

    .I completely agree that if you asked me if I'd rather stand in a line for 3 hours for something or pay an extra $100 for it, it's a no brainer. But there's a social aspect to the merch scene. I ran into a bunch of people I've met through this forum and PJ Facebook. At one point, the couple next to me asked if I was "the mayor" because so many people stopped by to chat. So it didn't really feel like a waste of 3 hours just to get a mediocre poster 
    Dude, you SHOULD be the mayor. I hereby nominate you for Mayor. You hold court, talk shop, and look out for your fellow fan. Mayor SHZA👏
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • mrz200
    mrz200 Posts: 80
    edited September 2022
    the poster situation - by all bands, certainly not unique to PJ - blows my mind.

    it's the same 10-20 count group of artists doing PJ, Phish, Dead & Co, Jack White, etc, so it's not like the artist benefits from a scarcity thing that a limited poster release is going to create.

    On a 1500 piece poster release, does the band (or trademark holder) even make 15k$?  Posters are generally $50, and I'm (wildly) assuming that it's a relatively even split between artist-band-venue-poster manufacturing company @ $10/ea. 

    My belief is that for the revenue it generates, it seems to be bordering on a "not worth it" situation if I'm the band and venue, as it's obvious that venues aren't in love with managing merch lines hours & hours before a show.

    There's wild demand for more quantity, and that only the band, poster artist, and the fan who wants to hang the poster up, etc.

    Just seems that tripling poster quantities benefits everyone except the ebay scalping contingent.

    full disclosure: I waited an hour+ at Widespread Panic's show in Atlanta last month for a Marq Spusta, who hadn't done a panic show in 10 years so I'm absolutely part of the problem :) but it's hanging in my house, not on ebay.
  • OceansJenny
    OceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,409
    edited September 2022
    mrz200 said:
    the poster situation - by all bands, certainly not unique to PJ - blows my mind.

    it's the same 10-20 count group of artists doing PJ, Phish, Dead & Co, Jack White, etc, so it's not like the artist benefits from a scarcity thing that a limited poster release is going to create.

    On a 1500 piece poster release, does the band (or trademark holder) even make 15k$?  Posters are generally $50, and I'm (wildly) assuming that it's a relatively even split between artist-band-venue-poster manufacturing company @ $10/ea. 

    My belief is that for the revenue it generates, it seems to be bordering on a "not worth it" situation if I'm the band and venue, as it's obvious that venues aren't in love with managing merch lines hours & hours before a show.

    There's wild demand for more quantity, and that only the band, poster artist, and the fan who wants to hang the poster up, etc.

    Just seems that tripling poster quantities benefits everyone except the ebay scalping contingent.

    full disclosure: I waited an hour+ at Widespread Panic's show in Atlanta last month for a Marq Spusta, who hadn't done a panic show in 10 years so I'm absolutely part of the problem :) but it's hanging in my house, not on ebay.
    If you are curious about gig poster economics from the artist’s perspective, check out Brad Klausen’s post here (also see the larger post he has above this one). They get zero from the show sales and instead make their commission from the artist sale afterwards. So a show poster sell out (and limited quantities) helps drive the artist drop sales, which is the only area they make any money.

    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/7505434#Comment_7505434
    Post edited by OceansJenny on
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  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,945
    Go Animal said:
    on2legs said:
    I prefer not to waste time on line when we travel to a show.  I'm good with grabbing a poster at the ten club drop or paying up on ebay.  I could almost talk myself into a 3 or 4 hour wait on line but the prospect of wasting that time and still have items sold out when I got to the front would be a major letdown.  I'd rather pay someone to wait on line for me via ebay and ship it to my house.

    I got to SHN early for the presale day only because it was 10 minutes from home.  Anywhere else I think I'm over the long lines. 
    And I thank you for that last part, lol🙌
    😂

    Are you going to Nashville, Matt?
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh


  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,349
    edited September 2022
    on2legs said:
    Go Animal said:
    on2legs said:
    I prefer not to waste time on line when we travel to a show.  I'm good with grabbing a poster at the ten club drop or paying up on ebay.  I could almost talk myself into a 3 or 4 hour wait on line but the prospect of wasting that time and still have items sold out when I got to the front would be a major letdown.  I'd rather pay someone to wait on line for me via ebay and ship it to my house.

    I got to SHN early for the presale day only because it was 10 minutes from home.  Anywhere else I think I'm over the long lines. 
    And I thank you for that last part, lol🙌
    😂

    Are you going to Nashville, Matt?
    Yessir! Just had my first real night of sleep in a weekend😅DM'ing ya!
    Post edited by Go Animal on
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • rhcpjam1029
    rhcpjam1029 Posts: 1,982
    I like what Metallica has started doing with their posters...they don't sell the posters at the show; they post a QR code on the screen before the show and you can scan it to buy then.  They then ship to your house.  Presumably, they print based off the demand ensuring everyone who wants one gets one.  
    Beavis: All my friends are brown and red? What does that mean?
    Butthead: It means that his friends are like turds and that they like suck.
    Beavis: Heh heh. Oh yeah. Yeah! Get those spoons out of my face before I shove them up your butt!
    Butthead: Huh huh.
  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,319
    rhcpjam1029 said:
    I like what Metallica has started doing with their posters...they don't sell the posters at the show; they post a QR code on the screen before the show and you can scan it to buy then.  They then ship to your house.  Presumably, they print based off the demand ensuring everyone who wants one gets one.  
    That would be awesome.
  • WindowPaine
    WindowPaine Chicopee, MA Posts: 538
    RS65573 said:
    It got insane around MSG 03, the scientist poster. 
    that's true. i stayed at the hotel across from msg for those shows. i remember going and grabbing a poster whenever merch opened and was like wtf at the hype/line. i don't think there's anything i'd wait in line for (over maybe 15-20min). it's just...things. and most of those things are bought and then just resold anyway, whether it is this week or in 5yrs. 
    First Show: Springfield, MA 4/6/94
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,053
    CROJAM95 said:
    SHZA said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    in the rain nonetheless.....we all want something, but the cost isnt worth it financially and huge waste of time

    but i guess flippers dont really have jobs, or decent ones

    .I completely agree that if you asked me if I'd rather stand in a line for 3 hours for something or pay an extra $100 for it, it's a no brainer. But there's a social aspect to the merch scene. I ran into a bunch of people I've met through this forum and PJ Facebook. At one point, the couple next to me asked if I was "the mayor" because so many people stopped by to chat. So it didn't really feel like a waste of 3 hours just to get a mediocre poster 
    if you know anything from prior show merch sales , when you see that msg line....you have to say, hmmmm i bet 95% chance the most sought after merch will be gone wayyyy before i sniff the merch table.....your in NYC, so much fun to be had
    The MSG line was crazy. I got there early and waited several hours. I live in NYC - so what else did I need to do on a rainy Sunday. I got everything I wanted and was able to run it home. But when I was in Canada I only waited in one merch line, and actually had fun meeting some cool new people. I was in Toronto for several days so it did not infringe on my sightseeing.

  • JojoRice
    JojoRice Kennesaw, GA Posts: 4,553
    rhcpjam1029 said:
    I like what Metallica has started doing with their posters...they don't sell the posters at the show; they post a QR code on the screen before the show and you can scan it to buy then.  They then ship to your house.  Presumably, they print based off the demand ensuring everyone who wants one gets one.  
    Now that is a great idea!!  @Santos L. Halper could this be something to look into down the line? 
    "I got memories, I got shit"
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    GlowGirl said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    SHZA said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    in the rain nonetheless.....we all want something, but the cost isnt worth it financially and huge waste of time

    but i guess flippers dont really have jobs, or decent ones

    .I completely agree that if you asked me if I'd rather stand in a line for 3 hours for something or pay an extra $100 for it, it's a no brainer. But there's a social aspect to the merch scene. I ran into a bunch of people I've met through this forum and PJ Facebook. At one point, the couple next to me asked if I was "the mayor" because so many people stopped by to chat. So it didn't really feel like a waste of 3 hours just to get a mediocre poster 
    if you know anything from prior show merch sales , when you see that msg line....you have to say, hmmmm i bet 95% chance the most sought after merch will be gone wayyyy before i sniff the merch table.....your in NYC, so much fun to be had
    The MSG line was crazy. I got there early and waited several hours. I live in NYC - so what else did I need to do on a rainy Sunday. I got everything I wanted and was able to run it home. But when I was in Canada I only waited in one merch line, and actually had fun meeting some cool new people. I was in Toronto for several days so it did not infringe on my sightseeing.

    idk, i got my GA wristband @ 1245 on 8th ave, walked to 7th ave & had vibes of a WALMART on Thanksgiving night......it was wrapped all the way around, with rain & puddles....for what? so someone can buy a shirt, and put it on right away? those plates & hat were long gone....it was being relayed to many in the line as I was texting friends who waited. So the other non sought after stuff would be easily available

    Each their own, something called " opportunity cost" ....your time would be better utilized doing just about anything.

    and the reason the good stuff sold out was the 3 person limit....which i fucked with the guy in front of me like 4 people in GA merch area, after they let  us in.....3 plates, 2 hats, 2 posters, 2 event shirts......didnt look like a fan


    also btw, anyone notice the GUY selling merch in GA area? Bald dude....hes in the Cyndi Lauper medical commercial ( forgot, think for skin rashes)....hes prob an actor, haha so random


  • PJ5a1
    PJ5a1 Oceanside, NY Posts: 458
    I waited from 1140 and was done a little before 3... never owned an MSG poster so I did what I had to do.... 

    People will always take the opportunity to make money regardless... just like people sold GA tickets at MSG for THOUSANDS of dollars...

    To each their own... if that's what makes them happy so be it... 

    Scored 2 posters one for me and one for a buddy. A shirt for my son and myself.

    If I were Eddie Vedder, would you like me any better? - Local H
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    PJ5a1 said:
    I waited from 1140 and was done a little before 3... never owned an MSG poster so I did what I had to do.... 

    People will always take the opportunity to make money regardless... just like people sold GA tickets at MSG for THOUSANDS of dollars...

    To each their own... if that's what makes them happy so be it... 

    Scored 2 posters one for me and one for a buddy. A shirt for my son and myself.

    for $20.?? 3.5 hours? ..thats the delta on the 10c poster sale vs at venue ( shipping/tax)......some decent to very nice ones are still available, nothing sold out quickly.....
  • lexicondevil
    lexicondevil Posts: 2,246
    rhcpjam1029 said:
    I like what Metallica has started doing with their posters...they don't sell the posters at the show; they post a QR code on the screen before the show and you can scan it to buy then.  They then ship to your house.  Presumably, they print based off the demand ensuring everyone who wants one gets one.  
    This is the way to do it. Everyone wins! 
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    1992- Lollapalooza, Irvine, California
    Nothing since then. I suck.
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  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    not trying to be a DICK....but you have to take things into consideration......use the info and make SOUND decisions


  • PJ5a1
    PJ5a1 Oceanside, NY Posts: 458
    CROJAM95 said:
    not trying to be a DICK....but you have to take things into consideration......use the info and make SOUND decisions


    You are simply judging every person who decided to wait in line.... 

    Did you? Obviously not - stop judging and move on.

    Folks don't need to justify to you the WHY they did something.
    If I were Eddie Vedder, would you like me any better? - Local H
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    PJ5a1 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    not trying to be a DICK....but you have to take things into consideration......use the info and make SOUND decisions


    You are simply judging every person who decided to wait in line.... 

    Did you? Obviously not - stop judging and move on.

    Folks don't need to justify to you the WHY they did something.
    its longer than the show you went to......just saying, you saved $5.80/hr.....enjoy your savings, tough guy
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,325
    CROJAM95 said:
    PJ5a1 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    not trying to be a DICK....but you have to take things into consideration......use the info and make SOUND decisions


    You are simply judging every person who decided to wait in line.... 

    Did you? Obviously not - stop judging and move on.

    Folks don't need to justify to you the WHY they did something.
    its longer than the show you went to......just saying, you saved $5.80/hr.....enjoy your savings, tough guy
    Now, now.  Don't get this damn thread shut down you two.
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    tempo_n_groove said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    PJ5a1 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    not trying to be a DICK....but you have to take things into consideration......use the info and make SOUND decisions


    You are simply judging every person who decided to wait in line.... 

    Did you? Obviously not - stop judging and move on.

    Folks don't need to justify to you the WHY they did something.
    its longer than the show you went to......just saying, you saved $5.80/hr.....enjoy your savings, tough guy
    Now, now.  Don't get this damn thread shut down you two.
    im an advocate for common sense, math, real info to help make decisions. Yes its not my business, i guess im frustrated with how people are these days.....not using their melons
  • on2legs
    on2legs Posts: 15,945
    PJ5a1 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    not trying to be a DICK....but you have to take things into consideration......use the info and make SOUND decisions


    You are simply judging every person who decided to wait in line.... 

    Did you? Obviously not - stop judging and move on.

    Folks don't need to justify to you the WHY they did something.

    I didn't really take it to be judging just giving an opinion. 
    1996: Randall's Island 2  1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2  2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel  2005: Atlantic City 1  2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 (#25) | Newark (EV)  2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4  2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2  2011: Toronto 1  2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2015: Central Park  2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD)  2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF)  2020: MSG | Asbury Park  2021: Asbury Park  2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville  2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore  2025: Raleigh


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