Vinyl prices has reached its breaking point IMO

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664

    1ThoughtKnown said:
    MedozK said:
    elvistheking44 said:
    Three records purchased yesterday. 2 new and 1 used.  $87. I’m out for sure.
    That is almost a tank of gas.
    Less than a 1/2 of a tank (in Canadian dollars) in my 2016 F-150 north of the border. Tank of gas is gone forever. The vinyl is here to stay.  
    Haha, perfect!
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    FR181798 said:
    FR181798 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    I keep my records in the basement and I’m always scared of flooding. 
    Yeah I started specifying them on my home insurance a few years back, problem with that though is that my wife has a rough idea of the value of them. And when I say rough discogs reckons about double now.
    The 2nd part to this story is that I now sleep in the spare bedroom with my records. LOL
    Oh boy! Are we talking 7”, 10”, 12”, novelty 3”, big hole, small hole, any warping issues? As you can see, I have questions. 
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,906
    MedozK said:
    I am getting closer and closer to running out of room. I have really cut down on random vinyl purchases. I really now chase after certain pressings and looking for the definitive versions of releases. But there still are a few bands that I basically buy everything PJ being one.

    I'm in the same boat. I have a farely full 4x4 Kallax shelf, and a fairly full 4x2 kallax shelf with about 2 cubes free.    I figure room for another 150 records.  The 7"'s are in a box, so I can free up a cube by relocating box.. there's another 50. 

    At some point though... it's going to be where I can squeeze in another kallax.  I think might have room for 2x2.. lol.
  • FR181798
    FR181798 Posts: 2,166
    dankind said:
    FR181798 said:
    FR181798 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    I keep my records in the basement and I’m always scared of flooding. 
    Yeah I started specifying them on my home insurance a few years back, problem with that though is that my wife has a rough idea of the value of them. And when I say rough discogs reckons about double now.
    The 2nd part to this story is that I now sleep in the spare bedroom with my records. LOL
    Oh boy! Are we talking 7”, 10”, 12”, novelty 3”, big hole, small hole, any warping issues? As you can see, I have questions. 
    😆
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Zod said:
    MedozK said:
    I am getting closer and closer to running out of room. I have really cut down on random vinyl purchases. I really now chase after certain pressings and looking for the definitive versions of releases. But there still are a few bands that I basically buy everything PJ being one.

    I'm in the same boat. I have a farely full 4x4 Kallax shelf, and a fairly full 4x2 kallax shelf with about 2 cubes free.    I figure room for another 150 records.  The 7"'s are in a box, so I can free up a cube by relocating box.. there's another 50. 

    At some point though... it's going to be where I can squeeze in another kallax.  I think might have room for 2x2.. lol.
    I replaced a side table with a 4 square kallax cube for additional wax storage. You start getting real creative. Then, I had to add shelving in the spare bedroom.
    My mother owns one of those secured storage businesses. Next stop is there lol. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,520
    1ThoughtKnown said:
    Zod said:
    MedozK said:
    I am getting closer and closer to running out of room. I have really cut down on random vinyl purchases. I really now chase after certain pressings and looking for the definitive versions of releases. But there still are a few bands that I basically buy everything PJ being one.

    I'm in the same boat. I have a farely full 4x4 Kallax shelf, and a fairly full 4x2 kallax shelf with about 2 cubes free.    I figure room for another 150 records.  The 7"'s are in a box, so I can free up a cube by relocating box.. there's another 50. 

    At some point though... it's going to be where I can squeeze in another kallax.  I think might have room for 2x2.. lol.
    I replaced a side table with a 4 square kallax cube for additional wax storage. You start getting real creative. Then, I had to add shelving in the spare bedroom.
    My mother owns one of those secured storage businesses. Next stop is there lol. 
    I've considered the "vinyl storage doubling as a table" idea, but with kids, I'd just be asking for vinyl covered in kool aid. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,527

     
    Manufacturers struggle to keep pace with vinyl record demand
    By DAVID SHARP
    Today

    The arrival of the compact disc nearly killed off record albums, with vinyl pressing machines sold, scrapped and dismantled by major record labels.

    Four decades later, with resuscitated record album sales producing double-digit annual growth, manufacturers are rapidly rebuilding an industry to keep pace with sales that reached $1 billion last year.

    Dozens of record-pressing factories have been built to try to meet demand in North America — and it's still not enough.


    continues....


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  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited June 2022
    mickeyrat said:

     
    Manufacturers struggle to keep pace with vinyl record demand
    By DAVID SHARP
    Today

    The arrival of the compact disc nearly killed off record albums, with vinyl pressing machines sold, scrapped and dismantled by major record labels.

    Four decades later, with resuscitated record album sales producing double-digit annual growth, manufacturers are rapidly rebuilding an industry to keep pace with sales that reached $1 billion last year.

    Dozens of record-pressing factories have been built to try to meet demand in North America — and it's still not enough.


    continues....


    I never quite get it.  So much of the demand is people who have no idea about records to begin with. It’s got to be 

    Once they give up and walk away, I’m more afraid of the inevitable crash that follows 

    it’s always funny to read the reviews at target or Walmart. The amount of “this skips” reviews are astronomical.  I honestly have never ever bought a record that skips when I first open it.  Provided I clean it, it’s  not hugely warped, and am playing it on a basic turntable(doesn’t even have to be super fancy).  Sometimes it’s more than half the reviews of records I have 

    records are fun. Maintaining them is a chore 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,527
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mickeyrat said:

     
    Manufacturers struggle to keep pace with vinyl record demand
    By DAVID SHARP
    Today

    The arrival of the compact disc nearly killed off record albums, with vinyl pressing machines sold, scrapped and dismantled by major record labels.

    Four decades later, with resuscitated record album sales producing double-digit annual growth, manufacturers are rapidly rebuilding an industry to keep pace with sales that reached $1 billion last year.

    Dozens of record-pressing factories have been built to try to meet demand in North America — and it's still not enough.


    continues....


    I never quite get it.  So much of the demand is people who have no idea about records to begin with. It’s got to be 

    Once they give up and walk away, I’m more afraid of the inevitable crash that follows 

    it’s always funny to read the reviews at target or Walmart. The amount of “this skips” reviews are astronomical.  I honestly have never ever bought a record that skips when I first open it.  Provided I clean it, it’s  not hugely warped, and am playing it on a basic turntable(doesn’t even have to be super fancy).  Sometimes it’s more than half the reviews of records I have 

    records are fun. Maintaining them is a chore 

    almost garuanteed tt are set up properly , placed wrong or are so cheap to begin with.
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  • PJammer4life
    PJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,669
    Many are buying those cheap Crosley record players. I started with one before I
    learned about needles and quality record players. 
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  • FR181798
    FR181798 Posts: 2,166
    It's definitely become a hobby for people with plenty of disposable income. I imagine a lot of people will eventually stop buying because of the price. We are going to see a heap of records from the past 10 years turn up in used record stores in years to come.
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,116
    FR181798 said:
    It's definitely become a hobby for people with plenty of disposable income. I imagine a lot of people will eventually stop buying because of the price. We are going to see a heap of records from the past 10 years turn up in used record stores in years to come.
    I think it depends what you want to buy. Over the past few years I picked up a lot of used stuff from the 60s, 70s, and 80s in decent shape and many were cheap. Those probably make up 2/3 of my collection. It has only been recently that I have been dropping more serious money on new records, limited edition variants, OG pressings for certain things, rarer bands, etc. and that has been expensive. But it is also fun.
  • FR181798
    FR181798 Posts: 2,166
    edited June 2022
    Yeah I mean thats maybe what I need to do. I collect mainly 90s to present day. Early 00s etc it used to be the case that if you didn't buy something within the first year you might not see it again and you knew it was a first pressing. Its not so bad now. I always thought I missed buying the 60s, 70s, 80s stuff new that it could just wait. 

    Not a decent used record store here so I maybe just need to look online for decent condition older records. 


  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mickeyrat said:

     
    Manufacturers struggle to keep pace with vinyl record demand
    By DAVID SHARP
    Today

    The arrival of the compact disc nearly killed off record albums, with vinyl pressing machines sold, scrapped and dismantled by major record labels.

    Four decades later, with resuscitated record album sales producing double-digit annual growth, manufacturers are rapidly rebuilding an industry to keep pace with sales that reached $1 billion last year.

    Dozens of record-pressing factories have been built to try to meet demand in North America — and it's still not enough.


    continues....


    I never quite get it.  So much of the demand is people who have no idea about records to begin with. It’s got to be 

    Once they give up and walk away, I’m more afraid of the inevitable crash that follows 

    it’s always funny to read the reviews at target or Walmart. The amount of “this skips” reviews are astronomical.  I honestly have never ever bought a record that skips when I first open it.  Provided I clean it, it’s  not hugely warped, and am playing it on a basic turntable(doesn’t even have to be super fancy).  Sometimes it’s more than half the reviews of records I have 

    records are fun. Maintaining them is a chore 
    I bought Live after Death and finally got around to listening to it and it skipped and cracked, alot.  Further inspection of the record and there were unmelted pellets in the record, hence causing the skips.  

    First and only time I saw that.  My local let me replace it, no problem even after 6 months later.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    FR181798 said:
    Yeah I mean thats maybe what I need to do. I collect mainly 90s to present day. Early 00s etc it used to be the case that if you didn't buy something within the first year you might not see it again and you knew it was a first pressing. Its not so bad now. I always thought I missed buying the 60s, 70s, 80s stuff new that it could just wait. 

    Not a decent used record store here so I maybe just need to look online for decent condition older records. 


    The good stuff always moves quick.  That is why they have bins and bins of stuff you never heard of.
  • LukinFan
    LukinFan Florida Posts: 29,119
    Everything is going up, but it’s vinyl…it’s okay. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,527
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mickeyrat said:

     
    Manufacturers struggle to keep pace with vinyl record demand
    By DAVID SHARP
    Today

    The arrival of the compact disc nearly killed off record albums, with vinyl pressing machines sold, scrapped and dismantled by major record labels.

    Four decades later, with resuscitated record album sales producing double-digit annual growth, manufacturers are rapidly rebuilding an industry to keep pace with sales that reached $1 billion last year.

    Dozens of record-pressing factories have been built to try to meet demand in North America — and it's still not enough.


    continues....


    I never quite get it.  So much of the demand is people who have no idea about records to begin with. It’s got to be 

    Once they give up and walk away, I’m more afraid of the inevitable crash that follows 

    it’s always funny to read the reviews at target or Walmart. The amount of “this skips” reviews are astronomical.  I honestly have never ever bought a record that skips when I first open it.  Provided I clean it, it’s  not hugely warped, and am playing it on a basic turntable(doesn’t even have to be super fancy).  Sometimes it’s more than half the reviews of records I have 

    records are fun. Maintaining them is a chore 
    I bought Live after Death and finally got around to listening to it and it skipped and cracked, alot.  Further inspection of the record and there were unmelted pellets in the record, hence causing the skips.  

    First and only time I saw that.  My local let me replace it, no problem even after 6 months later.

    have a jack white with pitting. pressed at 3rd man.....
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • goldrush
    goldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,802
    Neil Young has written a new article about vinyl on his NYA page: 

    6-28-22

    The record industry is currently struggling to meet an unprecedented demand for vinyl recordings. It’s a direct result of increased orders combined with limited manufacturing capacity. Currently it takes about ten months between the time an artist completes a master recording to when the vinyl albums become available for sale in the world. It’s worse for independent artists that have to compete with the the majors and their large orders. But, Vinyl sounds like God.

    Few expected that a vinyl resurgence would be as popular as it has become. When CDs were introduced in the early eighties, everyone expected they would obsolete vinyl recordings. CDs were digital, a new and exciting technology, but something that few really understood, other than it eliminated some of the analog artifacts of vinyl such as a few pops and crackles. CD sales soared and vinyl sales dried up. There were a few lonely voices that raised concern about CD quality at the time, but no one paid attention. Digital was new, and new was considered better.

    To everyone’s surprise vinyl sales began a comeback in 2006 that has continued to grow steadily. In 2021 sales of vinyl recordings surpassed CDs. CD sales also suffered during this time due to the popularity of digital downloads and streaming audio.

    The number of vinyl LPs sold rose 10% just between 2020 and 2021. 41.7 million LPs were sold in the U.S. alone in 2021, up more than 45-fold compared to 2006 when the vinyl comeback began. Worldwide, the vinyl record market was $1.5 Billion in 2021. It’s still growing.

    Hi-res digital is now being offered by Amazon, Apple and Qobuz, as well as sites such as NYA, continually creating awareness of great audio quality and making a huge difference in enjoyment of the music at a high sampling rate. Today many listeners want something even better.

    “I prefer the infinite sampling rate of analog.”
    -Rupert Neve, legendary maker of Neve recording consoles.

    On the product side, in addition to holding it in your hand, vinyl, a tangible product that is the crown jewel of recorded music playback quality, displays much better sound compared to its digital alternatives. 

    Vinyl has attracted fans of all ages, especially those in their twenties, meaning it’s not just something of interest to those that once enjoyed records in the old days when vinyl was king. Vinyl is now coming back - primarily with young, aware and sensitive listeners, those whose fresh ears and souls can really tell the difference and don’t doubt it.

    “It’s more than a resurgence for old timers like me. Its the crown jewel for today’s listeners.” 
    -ny

    Now, During the Digital Depression, Vinyl has been rediscovered, but record companies have closed their vinyl plants, sold off their equipment for pennies on the dollar, and are outsourcing their vinyl production to a number of smaller companies around the world. They focus on low res downloads and streaming, assuming vinyl is dead. In that, they are dead wrong.

    Connoisseurs of Music

    NYA believes there’s substantial risk in ignoring the many 20-25 year old connoisseurs of music - the next generation who have re-committed to vinyl. That segment is growth in motion.

    What’s in the way-

    Many today in the record business cite the large investments and experienced personnel required to build new equipment and facilities. 

    The industry is also profiting from low resolution streaming which provides more than 85% of their profits, making vinyl quality less interesting.

    Some think vinyl production could take years to come on line, and there’s risk for them to forecast demand that far out.

    Covid has also exacerbated the mismatch between demand and manufacturing capacity of vinyl.More people confined to home took greater interest in listening deeply to music and turned to vinyl at the same time as record manufacturing capacity massively suffered from factory disruptions due to the epidemic. As lead times lengthened, artists were more likely to over-order vinyl to avoid further delays. This added to the shortage.

    //////

    Craig Kallman, the Chairman and CEO of Atlantic Records, is concerned about available capacity and believes the record companies do need to develop their own capacity. He’s convinced that the popularity of vinyl is not a passing fad and that much more capacity is needed for the long term. He expects things will get worse before they get better. He cited as an example Harry Styles’ new album that sold 182,000 vinyl records in the first week! He also noted the continuing growth in turntable sales that are not abating.

    NYA believes that it would be in the interests of music for the recording companies to invest in Vinyl Manufacturing Facility ownership. Vinyl is still the true form of great recorded music. Nothing has been better and digital will not get there. Vinyl will stay great - the best.

    Digital is a reconstitution of an analog sound, with varying amounts of detail.

    Analog Vinyl is the pure reflection of that sound, with all of its infinite detail. 

    Vinyl, what we call “the crown jewel” of music playback, deserves a major record company with its own manufacturing plant to ensure quality sound and timely circulation. That record company would become the true home of great sounding music.

    Today’s music just does not match yesterday’s music in sound quality …..and it shows. 

    Rick Hashimoto, production manager of Record Technology Inc. of Camarillo, CA, a small vinyl manufacturer, sees some hope of improved capacity. He points out that new worldwide capacity is coming on line to meet some of the demand. A large Czech manufacturer (GZ Media) is greatly expanding their capacity, and expects it to bring to bring some relief - but not enough to fulfill growing demand.

    Who’s going to step up? Which major record company will rescue the “Crown Jewel” of recorded music playback and make new music instantly available in vinyl?

    Neil Young and Phil Baker for NYA

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  • FR181798
    FR181798 Posts: 2,166
    edited June 2022
    I love vinyl but it's quite a different experience to buying a CD. I think I had to return 2 CDs in my life to shops because they skipped from new.

    I've never found buying vinyl as relaxing as buying a CD. More exciting but not as easy. I don't have much option other than buying online most of the time and then youve spent all this money and never know if its going to arrive like it should in NEW condition and play nicely. Usually the bigger the company you buy from and usually the priciest items the poorer its packed.

    I've lost count of the number of beat up sleeves I've received and then there is the quality control of the vinyl itself. You have to wonder if the number of returns must also be pushing up prices.


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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,906
    Yah CD's were great.  People liked them because they were prefect (no crackle/pops), and they were more durable.   Records kind of have to be perfect for perfect sound, cd's not so much (just good enough that they don't skip).

    While vinyl is rarely perfect. I haven't sent many back.  Usually give a bad one a clean and it's good enough.

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