Too Soon?

tylermoore

What I find frustrating is there’s a lot of bands who have been touring non stop over a year without any cancellations. Tool comes to mind. Turnstile, they let fans jump all over the stage and they stage dive, not a single covid cancellation. How is that even possible while some bands can’t play for two straight weeks. Not PJs fault, just frustrating 

Go Beavers

tylermoore said:

What I find frustrating is there’s a lot of bands who have been touring non stop over a year without any cancellations. Tool comes to mind. Turnstile, they let fans jump all over the stage and they stage dive, not a single covid cancellation. How is that even possible while some bands can’t play for two straight weeks. Not PJs fault, just frustrating 

I’d guess they aren’t doing routine, asymptomatic testing

PP193448

Couldn’t they just put Jeff and Matt in some kind of quarantine bubble 6 feet from each other and the other band members on stage, and keep the show moving on??  Oh, wait… they would have to get Mike to stand still… never mind.

tylermoore

Go Beavers said:

tylermoore said:

What I find frustrating is there’s a lot of bands who have been touring non stop over a year without any cancellations. Tool comes to mind. Turnstile, they let fans jump all over the stage and they stage dive, not a single covid cancellation. How is that even possible while some bands can’t play for two straight weeks. Not PJs fault, just frustrating 

I’d guess they aren’t doing routine, asymptomatic testing

From things I’ve read, it’s not really up to the band is it?

mace1229

PP193448 said:

Couldn’t they just put Jeff and Matt in some kind of quarantine bubble 6 feet from each other and the other band members on stage, and keep the show moving on??  Oh, wait… they would have to get Mike to stand still… never mind.

They wouldn’t have to be 6 feet from each other. Matt and Jeff could share 1 bubble and hi five each other all they want.

JR86440

DEGBTI said:

I just cant believe what just happened, again! This is not a knock against our favorite band, but a question in general. If Covid is here to stay, and we all can still get it even when vaccinated, then WTF. Ya, I know its less severe if vaccinated, but events will still be cancelled regardless. Meaning, a positive test is grounds for a no-go, even if the person feels 100% fine? Not implying Matt or Jeff feel fine, just a general question. Then how in the ef are we going to move forward? 

Hope all get well soon and thank you for all the effort this tour you have put in for us all! Best band Ever!

The whole thing makes no sense. People living in fear. The vaccine was supposed to protect you AND others. Now in fact, the vaccine protects you from dying but does not protect from transmitting. PJ has every right to do whatever the fuck they want but sorry, the logic doesn’t make sense at all. I can guarantee you there was at least one fan in Oakland that had covid. Does it matter if Matt had it but had no symptoms?Covid is here forever. Get the vaccine to protect yourself. If you don’t want it, that’s your risk. Three years ago if you got the flu, you didn’t cancel unless of course you were very very sick. Covid has weakened and is is now the flu and science has proven that. But because it’s called covid, everybody freaks out. Time to move on. If you are scared or at risk, take the necessary precautions. Pretty simple.  And masking up 20k people? Many of which are drinking beer??? Yea, that will definitely help..

heartofadog

To answer the question in the original post, it is too soon to think about any part of the fall tour. I would imagine the band is going to try to figure out how to put other/different safeguards in place to whatever extent they can. I am trying to figure out which US shows are most likely to happen this year and get to at least one. 

JimmyV

heartofadog said:

To answer the question in the original post, it is too soon to think about any part of the fall tour. I would imagine the band is going to try to figure out how to put other/different safeguards in place to whatever extent they can. I am trying to figure out which US shows are most likely to happen this year and get to at least one. 

Canada is the answer. First four shows. Get to Quebec and Ottawa if you can, Hamilton and Toronto if you can't. Everything afterwards is a crap shoot. 

OceansJenny

+1 for the Boston Puker reference. May that story live in infamy.

Go Beavers

JR86440 said:

DEGBTI said:

I just cant believe what just happened, again! This is not a knock against our favorite band, but a question in general. If Covid is here to stay, and we all can still get it even when vaccinated, then WTF. Ya, I know its less severe if vaccinated, but events will still be cancelled regardless. Meaning, a positive test is grounds for a no-go, even if the person feels 100% fine? Not implying Matt or Jeff feel fine, just a general question. Then how in the ef are we going to move forward? 

Hope all get well soon and thank you for all the effort this tour you have put in for us all! Best band Ever!

The whole thing makes no sense. People living in fear. The vaccine was supposed to protect you AND others. Now in fact, the vaccine protects you from dying but does not protect from transmitting. PJ has every right to do whatever the fuck they want but sorry, the logic doesn’t make sense at all. I can guarantee you there was at least one fan in Oakland that had covid. Does it matter if Matt had it but had no symptoms?Covid is here forever. Get the vaccine to protect yourself. If you don’t want it, that’s your risk. Three years ago if you got the flu, you didn’t cancel unless of course you were very very sick. Covid has weakened and is is now the flu and science has proven that. But because it’s called covid, everybody freaks out. Time to move on. If you are scared or at risk, take the necessary precautions. Pretty simple.  And masking up 20k people? Many of which are drinking beer??? Yea, that will definitely help..

You’re less likely to get it and spread it if you’re vaccinated. 

Go Beavers

tylermoore said:

Go Beavers said:

tylermoore said:

What I find frustrating is there’s a lot of bands who have been touring non stop over a year without any cancellations. Tool comes to mind. Turnstile, they let fans jump all over the stage and they stage dive, not a single covid cancellation. How is that even possible while some bands can’t play for two straight weeks. Not PJs fault, just frustrating 

I’d guess they aren’t doing routine, asymptomatic testing

From things I’ve read, it’s not really up to the band is it?

Meaning the venues were requiring it? I don’t know. 

bootlegger10

Go Beavers said:

JR86440 said:

DEGBTI said:

I just cant believe what just happened, again! This is not a knock against our favorite band, but a question in general. If Covid is here to stay, and we all can still get it even when vaccinated, then WTF. Ya, I know its less severe if vaccinated, but events will still be cancelled regardless. Meaning, a positive test is grounds for a no-go, even if the person feels 100% fine? Not implying Matt or Jeff feel fine, just a general question. Then how in the ef are we going to move forward? 

Hope all get well soon and thank you for all the effort this tour you have put in for us all! Best band Ever!

The whole thing makes no sense. People living in fear. The vaccine was supposed to protect you AND others. Now in fact, the vaccine protects you from dying but does not protect from transmitting. PJ has every right to do whatever the fuck they want but sorry, the logic doesn’t make sense at all. I can guarantee you there was at least one fan in Oakland that had covid. Does it matter if Matt had it but had no symptoms?Covid is here forever. Get the vaccine to protect yourself. If you don’t want it, that’s your risk. Three years ago if you got the flu, you didn’t cancel unless of course you were very very sick. Covid has weakened and is is now the flu and science has proven that. But because it’s called covid, everybody freaks out. Time to move on. If you are scared or at risk, take the necessary precautions. Pretty simple.  And masking up 20k people? Many of which are drinking beer??? Yea, that will definitely help..

You’re less likely to get it and spread it if you’re vaccinated. 

Tell that to vaccinated Cameron and Ament who hung out in a bubble with only other vaccinated people.  

Go Beavers

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

JR86440 said:

DEGBTI said:

I just cant believe what just happened, again! This is not a knock against our favorite band, but a question in general. If Covid is here to stay, and we all can still get it even when vaccinated, then WTF. Ya, I know its less severe if vaccinated, but events will still be cancelled regardless. Meaning, a positive test is grounds for a no-go, even if the person feels 100% fine? Not implying Matt or Jeff feel fine, just a general question. Then how in the ef are we going to move forward? 

Hope all get well soon and thank you for all the effort this tour you have put in for us all! Best band Ever!

The whole thing makes no sense. People living in fear. The vaccine was supposed to protect you AND others. Now in fact, the vaccine protects you from dying but does not protect from transmitting. PJ has every right to do whatever the fuck they want but sorry, the logic doesn’t make sense at all. I can guarantee you there was at least one fan in Oakland that had covid. Does it matter if Matt had it but had no symptoms?Covid is here forever. Get the vaccine to protect yourself. If you don’t want it, that’s your risk. Three years ago if you got the flu, you didn’t cancel unless of course you were very very sick. Covid has weakened and is is now the flu and science has proven that. But because it’s called covid, everybody freaks out. Time to move on. If you are scared or at risk, take the necessary precautions. Pretty simple.  And masking up 20k people? Many of which are drinking beer??? Yea, that will definitely help..

You’re less likely to get it and spread it if you’re vaccinated. 

Tell that to vaccinated Cameron and Ament who hung out in a bubble with only other vaccinated people.  

They probably know a sample size of two doesn’t carry much statistical validity. 

patkelly12

Go Beavers said:

JR86440 said:

DEGBTI said:

I just cant believe what just happened, again! This is not a knock against our favorite band, but a question in general. If Covid is here to stay, and we all can still get it even when vaccinated, then WTF. Ya, I know its less severe if vaccinated, but events will still be cancelled regardless. Meaning, a positive test is grounds for a no-go, even if the person feels 100% fine? Not implying Matt or Jeff feel fine, just a general question. Then how in the ef are we going to move forward? 

Hope all get well soon and thank you for all the effort this tour you have put in for us all! Best band Ever!

The whole thing makes no sense. People living in fear. The vaccine was supposed to protect you AND others. Now in fact, the vaccine protects you from dying but does not protect from transmitting. PJ has every right to do whatever the fuck they want but sorry, the logic doesn’t make sense at all. I can guarantee you there was at least one fan in Oakland that had covid. Does it matter if Matt had it but had no symptoms?Covid is here forever. Get the vaccine to protect yourself. If you don’t want it, that’s your risk. Three years ago if you got the flu, you didn’t cancel unless of course you were very very sick. Covid has weakened and is is now the flu and science has proven that. But because it’s called covid, everybody freaks out. Time to move on. If you are scared or at risk, take the necessary precautions. Pretty simple.  And masking up 20k people? Many of which are drinking beer??? Yea, that will definitely help..

You’re less likely to get it and spread it if you’re vaccinated. 

Sez u.

bootlegger10

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

JR86440 said:

DEGBTI said:

I just cant believe what just happened, again! This is not a knock against our favorite band, but a question in general. If Covid is here to stay, and we all can still get it even when vaccinated, then WTF. Ya, I know its less severe if vaccinated, but events will still be cancelled regardless. Meaning, a positive test is grounds for a no-go, even if the person feels 100% fine? Not implying Matt or Jeff feel fine, just a general question. Then how in the ef are we going to move forward? 

Hope all get well soon and thank you for all the effort this tour you have put in for us all! Best band Ever!

The whole thing makes no sense. People living in fear. The vaccine was supposed to protect you AND others. Now in fact, the vaccine protects you from dying but does not protect from transmitting. PJ has every right to do whatever the fuck they want but sorry, the logic doesn’t make sense at all. I can guarantee you there was at least one fan in Oakland that had covid. Does it matter if Matt had it but had no symptoms?Covid is here forever. Get the vaccine to protect yourself. If you don’t want it, that’s your risk. Three years ago if you got the flu, you didn’t cancel unless of course you were very very sick. Covid has weakened and is is now the flu and science has proven that. But because it’s called covid, everybody freaks out. Time to move on. If you are scared or at risk, take the necessary precautions. Pretty simple.  And masking up 20k people? Many of which are drinking beer??? Yea, that will definitely help..

You’re less likely to get it and spread it if you’re vaccinated. 

Tell that to vaccinated Cameron and Ament who hung out in a bubble with only other vaccinated people.  

They probably know a sample size of two doesn’t carry much statistical validity. 

Okay.   I am not anti-vax but also not blind to see that vaccinated people are getting it and spreading it in large numbers.  Is what it is.

tbergs

Besides going out to the club, a concert is about the most likely place for viruses to be flying all over the place. Thinking of the air in those places during those shows makes me sick. Of course people got Covid. Being vaccinated doesn't prevent it. Wearing a mask doesn't prevent, but of course both lessen your odds and increase the likelihood you will have significantly less severe symptoms when you do get it.

PJammin'

tbergs said:

Besides going out to the club, a concert is about the most likely place for viruses to be flying all over the place. Thinking of the air in those places during those shows makes me sick. Of course people got Covid. Being vaccinated doesn't prevent it. Wearing a mask doesn't prevent, but of course both lessen your odds and increase the likelihood you will have significantly less severe symptoms when you do get it.

I’m not going to anymore concerts. It’s been a great run!

Go Beavers

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

JR86440 said:

DEGBTI said:

I just cant believe what just happened, again! This is not a knock against our favorite band, but a question in general. If Covid is here to stay, and we all can still get it even when vaccinated, then WTF. Ya, I know its less severe if vaccinated, but events will still be cancelled regardless. Meaning, a positive test is grounds for a no-go, even if the person feels 100% fine? Not implying Matt or Jeff feel fine, just a general question. Then how in the ef are we going to move forward? 

Hope all get well soon and thank you for all the effort this tour you have put in for us all! Best band Ever!

The whole thing makes no sense. People living in fear. The vaccine was supposed to protect you AND others. Now in fact, the vaccine protects you from dying but does not protect from transmitting. PJ has every right to do whatever the fuck they want but sorry, the logic doesn’t make sense at all. I can guarantee you there was at least one fan in Oakland that had covid. Does it matter if Matt had it but had no symptoms?Covid is here forever. Get the vaccine to protect yourself. If you don’t want it, that’s your risk. Three years ago if you got the flu, you didn’t cancel unless of course you were very very sick. Covid has weakened and is is now the flu and science has proven that. But because it’s called covid, everybody freaks out. Time to move on. If you are scared or at risk, take the necessary precautions. Pretty simple.  And masking up 20k people? Many of which are drinking beer??? Yea, that will definitely help..

You’re less likely to get it and spread it if you’re vaccinated. 

Tell that to vaccinated Cameron and Ament who hung out in a bubble with only other vaccinated people.  

They probably know a sample size of two doesn’t carry much statistical validity. 

Okay.   I am not anti-vax but also not blind to see that vaccinated people are getting it and spreading it in large numbers.  Is what it is.

Unvaccinated get it at higher rates than vaccinated. A vaccinated person’s viral load is also high for a shorter amount of time, therefore less likely to spread it. 

JeBurkhardt

mace1229 said:

PP193448 said:

Couldn’t they just put Jeff and Matt in some kind of quarantine bubble 6 feet from each other and the other band members on stage, and keep the show moving on??  Oh, wait… they would have to get Mike to stand still… never mind.

They wouldn’t have to be 6 feet from each other. Matt and Jeff could share 1 bubble and hi five each other all they want.

They need to break out the Spinal Tap pods for future shows. 

gotthebottle

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

JR86440 said:

DEGBTI said:

I just cant believe what just happened, again! This is not a knock against our favorite band, but a question in general. If Covid is here to stay, and we all can still get it even when vaccinated, then WTF. Ya, I know its less severe if vaccinated, but events will still be cancelled regardless. Meaning, a positive test is grounds for a no-go, even if the person feels 100% fine? Not implying Matt or Jeff feel fine, just a general question. Then how in the ef are we going to move forward? 

Hope all get well soon and thank you for all the effort this tour you have put in for us all! Best band Ever!

The whole thing makes no sense. People living in fear. The vaccine was supposed to protect you AND others. Now in fact, the vaccine protects you from dying but does not protect from transmitting. PJ has every right to do whatever the fuck they want but sorry, the logic doesn’t make sense at all. I can guarantee you there was at least one fan in Oakland that had covid. Does it matter if Matt had it but had no symptoms?Covid is here forever. Get the vaccine to protect yourself. If you don’t want it, that’s your risk. Three years ago if you got the flu, you didn’t cancel unless of course you were very very sick. Covid has weakened and is is now the flu and science has proven that. But because it’s called covid, everybody freaks out. Time to move on. If you are scared or at risk, take the necessary precautions. Pretty simple.  And masking up 20k people? Many of which are drinking beer??? Yea, that will definitely help..

You’re less likely to get it and spread it if you’re vaccinated. 

Tell that to vaccinated Cameron and Ament who hung out in a bubble with only other vaccinated people.  

They probably know a sample size of two doesn’t carry much statistical validity. 

Okay.   I am not anti-vax but also not blind to see that vaccinated people are getting it and spreading it in large numbers.  Is what it is.

Unvaccinated get it at higher rates than vaccinated. A vaccinated person’s viral load is also high for a shorter amount of time, therefore less likely to spread it. 

This is true.. science is clear. You can't prevent 100% but decreasing spread is how viruses STOP MUTATING! And yes, vax didn't stop anyone from GETTING,  but we all know PLENTY of asymptotic, unvaxxed, carriers who don't test were at these shows. 
And watch the video sometime of transmission of droplets with regular breathing, talking, then singing.... picture all of that aimed right at a stage....