Too Soon?

BF25394

pearljammr78 said:

I’ve had covid 3 times that I know of. I work in a job that has never stopped even one day since this has begun and I interact with the public all day. To be scared of covid like people are without the real science and true numbers of this thing proves the right wing of this country aren’t the only ones feeding misinformation to move an agenda. America is so broken and divided now, that common sense and science have no chance. Obesity, age, vax status all huge factors in hospitalizations and death. But all people care about is the team their on and winning. Not what’s right and wrong. Cloth masks don’t work. They don’t. So why didn’t the government send out free N95 masks to people like testing kits. Because it’s not what’s right. It’s who’s buddy gets the huge contracts to shell shit out. If shows are going to get canceled or postponed every time a band member gets covid from any touring act then the concert industry is going to suffer from half full shows in most markets from peoples fear of traveling for shows that might not happen. Yesterdays shitshow cemented the fact in my brain that I will no longer travel any distance over an hour for any concert ever again. Gas is 6 dollars a gallon here in Fresno. No one is refunding the tank of gas and time I wasted yesterday. 

The only team I'm on is Team Public Health.  As I said in another thread, as a great man has sung many times, "I ain't no Democrat/Sure as fuck ain't no Republican either."  It is very irritating when people suggest that people taking responsible precautions to protect themselves and other people is some kind of political statement.  Usually, when someone says that, they are the one making the political statement.

Obesity is indeed a factor in COVID outcomes.  78 percent of deaths (as of a few weeks ago) were of overweight or obese Americans.  Unfortunately, 70 percent of the population is overweight or obese, and that's not going to change any time soon, so recognizing that being overweight or obese is a risk factor really doesn't get us very far.

Anyway, I just heard there's a confirmed case of monkey pox in the U.S., so move over, COVID! 

Lerxst1992

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think if you are asymptomatic and part of a band you can find a way to play safely.  You can distance on a stage.  You can mask it up and distance when off stage.  

Now, up to the performer though if they want to go on or not.   Just saying if not feeling bad and the performer wants to go they should be allowed to.

We were told masks and social distancing work, right?  

Not if you test positive.  Postive = quarantine for 5 days or you are putting others at risk. Regardless of symptoms.  Not that it is really enforceable, but that is the recommendation.

So about 100,000 people have seen PJ in the last two weeks.  Without masks.  Indoors.  Every flight is basically full.   No masks.   The country has completely moved on to the living with Covid stage just like it is the flu.  Everyone knows the risks and they most likely will run into someone with Covid.

So it isn’t safe for Jeff to be on stage 10 feet away from anyone, but okay for the rest of the crowd to be there standing shoulder to shoulder knowing some have it?   Seems a lot hypocritical.

Again, just referring to an asymptomatic/low symptoms Jeff who is personally comfortable playing on stage.  Not trying to say anyone positive should be forced to play.

There’s a difference between not knowing you’re sick and going out in public vs knowing you are and doing it.
I think we’ll see a change in culture for a while. It used to be some people never call in sick, never take sick days no matter what and was sometimes a badge of honor to always come in to work.  Now people ask why are you here if you just sound congested. 

I don’t think the majority of people are going to be okay with working next to someone who knows they are sick, in a band or in an office. The people you infect may not be asymptomatic.

But there is a difference between someone in an office who can work from home for a few days versus a band member who has 15,000 people in town ready to see them, paying for hotel, some flights, etc… I think that is a situation where you play the show if you are comfortable doing so and can socially distance.   Ed played with food poisoning.  It is part of the gig.

Food poisoning isn’t contagious.

It is very contagious, but it is not airborne. Edit, infected person can cough and spray virus on surfaces where someone else can get infected.

smile6680

MD190661 said:

It’s unfortunate our republican leaders made a once in a century health crisis a political issue and pissing match over simple and basic steps like wearing a mask. We might have had a show last night and many fewer COVID cases everywhere if this wasn’t the case. 

This statement is funny. I'm assuming it is sarcasm.

BF25394

pearljammr78 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think if you are asymptomatic and part of a band you can find a way to play safely.  You can distance on a stage.  You can mask it up and distance when off stage.  

Now, up to the performer though if they want to go on or not.   Just saying if not feeling bad and the performer wants to go they should be allowed to.

We were told masks and social distancing work, right?  

Not if you test positive.  Postive = quarantine for 5 days or you are putting others at risk. Regardless of symptoms.  Not that it is really enforceable, but that is the recommendation.

So about 100,000 people have seen PJ in the last two weeks.  Without masks.  Indoors.  Every flight is basically full.   No masks.   The country has completely moved on to the living with Covid stage just like it is the flu.  Everyone knows the risks and they most likely will run into someone with Covid.

So it isn’t safe for Jeff to be on stage 10 feet away from anyone, but okay for the rest of the crowd to be there standing shoulder to shoulder knowing some have it?   Seems a lot hypocritical.

Again, just referring to an asymptomatic/low symptoms Jeff who is personally comfortable playing on stage.  Not trying to say anyone positive should be forced to play.

There’s a difference between not knowing you’re sick and going out in public vs knowing you are and doing it.
I think we’ll see a change in culture for a while. It used to be some people never call in sick, never take sick days no matter what and was sometimes a badge of honor to always come in to work.  Now people ask why are you here if you just sound congested. 

I don’t think the majority of people are going to be okay with working next to someone who knows they are sick, in a band or in an office. The people you infect may not be asymptomatic.

But there is a difference between someone in an office who can work from home for a few days versus a band member who has 15,000 people in town ready to see them, paying for hotel, some flights, etc… I think that is a situation where you play the show if you are comfortable doing so and can socially distance.   Ed played with food poisoning.  It is part of the gig.

Food poisoning isn’t contagious.

Who knows if it was food poisoning. Maybe it was the flu. No tests for that. And the flu is contagious. I was told by my supervisor at work to come work the third time I had covid. The difference is we are not millionaires who can miss work and not worry about the financial hole. I know I’m not the only one who was told to come to work with covid. It’s the haves and the have nots. As much as our band wants to pretend they’re not,  they are the haves. We are the have nots. Jeff could have sat on a stool behind the stage and played the bass lines. Something else could have been done but no one cares about the little person anymore. That was made obvious yesterday. 

Influenza is a respiratory disease.  It does not cause gastrointestinal symptoms.  When people say they have the "stomach flu," it's a misnomer.  The "stomach flu" is either gastroenteritis or food poisoning; neither is caused by the influenza virus.

mace1229

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think if you are asymptomatic and part of a band you can find a way to play safely.  You can distance on a stage.  You can mask it up and distance when off stage.  

Now, up to the performer though if they want to go on or not.   Just saying if not feeling bad and the performer wants to go they should be allowed to.

We were told masks and social distancing work, right?  

Not if you test positive.  Postive = quarantine for 5 days or you are putting others at risk. Regardless of symptoms.  Not that it is really enforceable, but that is the recommendation.

So about 100,000 people have seen PJ in the last two weeks.  Without masks.  Indoors.  Every flight is basically full.   No masks.   The country has completely moved on to the living with Covid stage just like it is the flu.  Everyone knows the risks and they most likely will run into someone with Covid.

So it isn’t safe for Jeff to be on stage 10 feet away from anyone, but okay for the rest of the crowd to be there standing shoulder to shoulder knowing some have it?   Seems a lot hypocritical.

Again, just referring to an asymptomatic/low symptoms Jeff who is personally comfortable playing on stage.  Not trying to say anyone positive should be forced to play.

There’s a difference between not knowing you’re sick and going out in public vs knowing you are and doing it.
I think we’ll see a change in culture for a while. It used to be some people never call in sick, never take sick days no matter what and was sometimes a badge of honor to always come in to work.  Now people ask why are you here if you just sound congested. 

I don’t think the majority of people are going to be okay with working next to someone who knows they are sick, in a band or in an office. The people you infect may not be asymptomatic.

But there is a difference between someone in an office who can work from home for a few days versus a band member who has 15,000 people in town ready to see them, paying for hotel, some flights, etc… I think that is a situation where you play the show if you are comfortable doing so and can socially distance.   Ed played with food poisoning.  It is part of the gig.

Food poisoning isn’t contagious.

Correct.  My reference to Ed was just playing shows when not feeling 100%.  I am assuming that you can socially distance and wear a mask and not put people at risk.  At least that is what we have been led to believe.

Yes, but if you’re argument is “If Ed can do it with food poisoning, why can’t people with mild Covid?” It’s apples and oranges. Ed isn’t going to spread food poisoning by playing. Others with Covid likely will. It’s not just about how you feel. Just because one person feels okay with Covid doesn’t mean the people they spread it to will. Sure, maybe he can stand in the corner of the stage and play. But I don’t see how you can travel to the venue, share a stage, change instruments, travel to a hotel, etc without putting anyone at risk even if your symptoms are only mild.

mace1229

pearljammr78 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think if you are asymptomatic and part of a band you can find a way to play safely.  You can distance on a stage.  You can mask it up and distance when off stage.  

Now, up to the performer though if they want to go on or not.   Just saying if not feeling bad and the performer wants to go they should be allowed to.

We were told masks and social distancing work, right?  

Not if you test positive.  Postive = quarantine for 5 days or you are putting others at risk. Regardless of symptoms.  Not that it is really enforceable, but that is the recommendation.

So about 100,000 people have seen PJ in the last two weeks.  Without masks.  Indoors.  Every flight is basically full.   No masks.   The country has completely moved on to the living with Covid stage just like it is the flu.  Everyone knows the risks and they most likely will run into someone with Covid.

So it isn’t safe for Jeff to be on stage 10 feet away from anyone, but okay for the rest of the crowd to be there standing shoulder to shoulder knowing some have it?   Seems a lot hypocritical.

Again, just referring to an asymptomatic/low symptoms Jeff who is personally comfortable playing on stage.  Not trying to say anyone positive should be forced to play.

There’s a difference between not knowing you’re sick and going out in public vs knowing you are and doing it.
I think we’ll see a change in culture for a while. It used to be some people never call in sick, never take sick days no matter what and was sometimes a badge of honor to always come in to work.  Now people ask why are you here if you just sound congested. 

I don’t think the majority of people are going to be okay with working next to someone who knows they are sick, in a band or in an office. The people you infect may not be asymptomatic.

But there is a difference between someone in an office who can work from home for a few days versus a band member who has 15,000 people in town ready to see them, paying for hotel, some flights, etc… I think that is a situation where you play the show if you are comfortable doing so and can socially distance.   Ed played with food poisoning.  It is part of the gig.

Food poisoning isn’t contagious.

Who knows if it was food poisoning. Maybe it was the flu. No tests for that. And the flu is contagious. I was told by my supervisor at work to come work the third time I had covid. The difference is we are not millionaires who can miss work and not worry about the financial hole. I know I’m not the only one who was told to come to work with covid. It’s the haves and the have nots. As much as our band wants to pretend they’re not,  they are the haves. We are the have nots. Jeff could have sat on a stool behind the stage and played the bass lines. Something else could have been done but no one cares about the little person anymore. That was made obvious yesterday. 

I didn’t know he had food poisoning, that’s just what the post said.
im surprised any work would tell an employee to come in who has tested positive. They shortened the quarantine to 5 days for that reason, that it is difficult for many to take time off work. But it is rare people get it multiple times in a short period of time. Most people can manage 5 sick days a year without being a millionaire.
I actually see the opposite of your post. More places and jobs are telling people to stay home when they’re sick. It doesn’t help the work place for someone to come in and get everyone else sick, and instead of 1 person being out for 5 days you have multiple people out..

Eraserhead

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Holograms

Holograms can't get sick!

Get well soon, Jeff.

Get_Right

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think if you are asymptomatic and part of a band you can find a way to play safely.  You can distance on a stage.  You can mask it up and distance when off stage.  

Now, up to the performer though if they want to go on or not.   Just saying if not feeling bad and the performer wants to go they should be allowed to.

We were told masks and social distancing work, right?  

Not if you test positive.  Postive = quarantine for 5 days or you are putting others at risk. Regardless of symptoms.  Not that it is really enforceable, but that is the recommendation.

So about 100,000 people have seen PJ in the last two weeks.  Without masks.  Indoors.  Every flight is basically full.   No masks.   The country has completely moved on to the living with Covid stage just like it is the flu.  Everyone knows the risks and they most likely will run into someone with Covid.

So it isn’t safe for Jeff to be on stage 10 feet away from anyone, but okay for the rest of the crowd to be there standing shoulder to shoulder knowing some have it?   Seems a lot hypocritical.

Again, just referring to an asymptomatic/low symptoms Jeff who is personally comfortable playing on stage.  Not trying to say anyone positive should be forced to play.

There’s a difference between not knowing you’re sick and going out in public vs knowing you are and doing it.
I think we’ll see a change in culture for a while. It used to be some people never call in sick, never take sick days no matter what and was sometimes a badge of honor to always come in to work.  Now people ask why are you here if you just sound congested. 

I don’t think the majority of people are going to be okay with working next to someone who knows they are sick, in a band or in an office. The people you infect may not be asymptomatic.

But there is a difference between someone in an office who can work from home for a few days versus a band member who has 15,000 people in town ready to see them, paying for hotel, some flights, etc… I think that is a situation where you play the show if you are comfortable doing so and can socially distance.   Ed played with food poisoning.  It is part of the gig.

Food poisoning isn’t contagious.

Correct.  My reference to Ed was just playing shows when not feeling 100%.  I am assuming that you can socially distance and wear a mask and not put people at risk.  At least that is what we have been led to believe.

Social distancing and wearing a mask reduces the spread, it does not eliminate it. If you test positive you quarantine.  Jeff could (and would) not say no worries, I will just keep 6 feet away from everyone and continue to play while having COVID. I cannot see any of the band members or their team engaging in that kind of behavior.

Poncier

pearljammr78 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think if you are asymptomatic and part of a band you can find a way to play safely.  You can distance on a stage.  You can mask it up and distance when off stage.  

Now, up to the performer though if they want to go on or not.   Just saying if not feeling bad and the performer wants to go they should be allowed to.

We were told masks and social distancing work, right?  

Not if you test positive.  Postive = quarantine for 5 days or you are putting others at risk. Regardless of symptoms.  Not that it is really enforceable, but that is the recommendation.

So about 100,000 people have seen PJ in the last two weeks.  Without masks.  Indoors.  Every flight is basically full.   No masks.   The country has completely moved on to the living with Covid stage just like it is the flu.  Everyone knows the risks and they most likely will run into someone with Covid.

So it isn’t safe for Jeff to be on stage 10 feet away from anyone, but okay for the rest of the crowd to be there standing shoulder to shoulder knowing some have it?   Seems a lot hypocritical.

Again, just referring to an asymptomatic/low symptoms Jeff who is personally comfortable playing on stage.  Not trying to say anyone positive should be forced to play.

There’s a difference between not knowing you’re sick and going out in public vs knowing you are and doing it.
I think we’ll see a change in culture for a while. It used to be some people never call in sick, never take sick days no matter what and was sometimes a badge of honor to always come in to work.  Now people ask why are you here if you just sound congested. 

I don’t think the majority of people are going to be okay with working next to someone who knows they are sick, in a band or in an office. The people you infect may not be asymptomatic.

But there is a difference between someone in an office who can work from home for a few days versus a band member who has 15,000 people in town ready to see them, paying for hotel, some flights, etc… I think that is a situation where you play the show if you are comfortable doing so and can socially distance.   Ed played with food poisoning.  It is part of the gig.

Food poisoning isn’t contagious.

Who knows if it was food poisoning. Maybe it was the flu. No tests for that. And the flu is contagious. I was told by my supervisor at work to come work the third time I had covid. The difference is we are not millionaires who can miss work and not worry about the financial hole. I know I’m not the only one who was told to come to work with covid. It’s the haves and the have nots. As much as our band wants to pretend they’re not,  they are the haves. We are the have nots. Jeff could have sat on a stool behind the stage and played the bass lines. Something else could have been done but no one cares about the little person anymore. That was made obvious yesterday. 

You have no way of knowing that. Jeff might have been very ill, Covid affects everyone differently.

Gern Blansten

Jesus christ I can't believe some of the shit some people come up with.

curleybarney

Poncier said:

pearljammr78 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think if you are asymptomatic and part of a band you can find a way to play safely.  You can distance on a stage.  You can mask it up and distance when off stage.  

Now, up to the performer though if they want to go on or not.   Just saying if not feeling bad and the performer wants to go they should be allowed to.

We were told masks and social distancing work, right?  

Not if you test positive.  Postive = quarantine for 5 days or you are putting others at risk. Regardless of symptoms.  Not that it is really enforceable, but that is the recommendation.

So about 100,000 people have seen PJ in the last two weeks.  Without masks.  Indoors.  Every flight is basically full.   No masks.   The country has completely moved on to the living with Covid stage just like it is the flu.  Everyone knows the risks and they most likely will run into someone with Covid.

So it isn’t safe for Jeff to be on stage 10 feet away from anyone, but okay for the rest of the crowd to be there standing shoulder to shoulder knowing some have it?   Seems a lot hypocritical.

Again, just referring to an asymptomatic/low symptoms Jeff who is personally comfortable playing on stage.  Not trying to say anyone positive should be forced to play.

There’s a difference between not knowing you’re sick and going out in public vs knowing you are and doing it.
I think we’ll see a change in culture for a while. It used to be some people never call in sick, never take sick days no matter what and was sometimes a badge of honor to always come in to work.  Now people ask why are you here if you just sound congested. 

I don’t think the majority of people are going to be okay with working next to someone who knows they are sick, in a band or in an office. The people you infect may not be asymptomatic.

But there is a difference between someone in an office who can work from home for a few days versus a band member who has 15,000 people in town ready to see them, paying for hotel, some flights, etc… I think that is a situation where you play the show if you are comfortable doing so and can socially distance.   Ed played with food poisoning.  It is part of the gig.

Food poisoning isn’t contagious.

Who knows if it was food poisoning. Maybe it was the flu. No tests for that. And the flu is contagious. I was told by my supervisor at work to come work the third time I had covid. The difference is we are not millionaires who can miss work and not worry about the financial hole. I know I’m not the only one who was told to come to work with covid. It’s the haves and the have nots. As much as our band wants to pretend they’re not,  they are the haves. We are the have nots. Jeff could have sat on a stool behind the stage and played the bass lines. Something else could have been done but no one cares about the little person anymore. That was made obvious yesterday. 

You have no way of knowing that. Jeff might have been very ill, Covid affects everyone differently.

Right? Last night I could have given the Boston Puker a run for their money... It's not mild for everyone. 

Gern Blansten

curleybarney said:

Poncier said:

pearljammr78 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think if you are asymptomatic and part of a band you can find a way to play safely.  You can distance on a stage.  You can mask it up and distance when off stage.  

Now, up to the performer though if they want to go on or not.   Just saying if not feeling bad and the performer wants to go they should be allowed to.

We were told masks and social distancing work, right?  

Not if you test positive.  Postive = quarantine for 5 days or you are putting others at risk. Regardless of symptoms.  Not that it is really enforceable, but that is the recommendation.

So about 100,000 people have seen PJ in the last two weeks.  Without masks.  Indoors.  Every flight is basically full.   No masks.   The country has completely moved on to the living with Covid stage just like it is the flu.  Everyone knows the risks and they most likely will run into someone with Covid.

So it isn’t safe for Jeff to be on stage 10 feet away from anyone, but okay for the rest of the crowd to be there standing shoulder to shoulder knowing some have it?   Seems a lot hypocritical.

Again, just referring to an asymptomatic/low symptoms Jeff who is personally comfortable playing on stage.  Not trying to say anyone positive should be forced to play.

There’s a difference between not knowing you’re sick and going out in public vs knowing you are and doing it.
I think we’ll see a change in culture for a while. It used to be some people never call in sick, never take sick days no matter what and was sometimes a badge of honor to always come in to work.  Now people ask why are you here if you just sound congested. 

I don’t think the majority of people are going to be okay with working next to someone who knows they are sick, in a band or in an office. The people you infect may not be asymptomatic.

But there is a difference between someone in an office who can work from home for a few days versus a band member who has 15,000 people in town ready to see them, paying for hotel, some flights, etc… I think that is a situation where you play the show if you are comfortable doing so and can socially distance.   Ed played with food poisoning.  It is part of the gig.

Food poisoning isn’t contagious.

Who knows if it was food poisoning. Maybe it was the flu. No tests for that. And the flu is contagious. I was told by my supervisor at work to come work the third time I had covid. The difference is we are not millionaires who can miss work and not worry about the financial hole. I know I’m not the only one who was told to come to work with covid. It’s the haves and the have nots. As much as our band wants to pretend they’re not,  they are the haves. We are the have nots. Jeff could have sat on a stool behind the stage and played the bass lines. Something else could have been done but no one cares about the little person anymore. That was made obvious yesterday. 

You have no way of knowing that. Jeff might have been very ill, Covid affects everyone differently.

Right? Last night I could have given the Boston Puker a run for their money... It's not mild for everyone. 

You must have lost a lot of volume...no one pukes as much as Boston

curleybarney

Yeah, your right... But picturing anyone in the band sitting up there with a bucket... yikes.... "If you're going to spew, spew into this"

CC9172

This is a new world with COVID. Every band has to decide how to handle band infections. Individual fans make their own decisions regarding whether they want to be vaccinated or not or whether they want to wear a mask and it seems it doesn't matter anyway because there always will be exposure. Anyone exposed reacts differently to covid, Some are mild, some are deadly. Obviously, the band has decided that they will cancel shows. Respect their decision.  Hopefully, the September tour will be better.

davidos

Stop testing... if you have a fever, stay home.... We have to live with this. everyone will get it 2-3x per year due to the ever changing variants. Vax and boosted does not keep you from getting it.

Lost In Ohio

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think if you are asymptomatic and part of a band you can find a way to play safely.  You can distance on a stage.  You can mask it up and distance when off stage.  

Now, up to the performer though if they want to go on or not.   Just saying if not feeling bad and the performer wants to go they should be allowed to.

We were told masks and social distancing work, right?  

Not if you test positive.  Postive = quarantine for 5 days or you are putting others at risk. Regardless of symptoms.  Not that it is really enforceable, but that is the recommendation.

So about 100,000 people have seen PJ in the last two weeks.  Without masks.  Indoors.  Every flight is basically full.   No masks.   The country has completely moved on to the living with Covid stage just like it is the flu.  Everyone knows the risks and they most likely will run into someone with Covid.

So it isn’t safe for Jeff to be on stage 10 feet away from anyone, but okay for the rest of the crowd to be there standing shoulder to shoulder knowing some have it?   Seems a lot hypocritical.

Again, just referring to an asymptomatic/low symptoms Jeff who is personally comfortable playing on stage.  Not trying to say anyone positive should be forced to play.

There’s a difference between not knowing you’re sick and going out in public vs knowing you are and doing it.
I think we’ll see a change in culture for a while. It used to be some people never call in sick, never take sick days no matter what and was sometimes a badge of honor to always come in to work.  Now people ask why are you here if you just sound congested. 

I don’t think the majority of people are going to be okay with working next to someone who knows they are sick, in a band or in an office. The people you infect may not be asymptomatic.

Exactly. The whole mindset of "never taking a sick day" is done...or at least it *should* be. Nobody wants the germs that "Bob in IT" brought in because his kid got something that spread around his school.

He goes in ...he's touching everything in sight, not washing his hands and using sanitizer...that's just gross.

Take a few days off. It's better to stop the spread than it is to go 25 years without a sick day.

Lost In Ohio

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think if you are asymptomatic and part of a band you can find a way to play safely.  You can distance on a stage.  You can mask it up and distance when off stage.  

Now, up to the performer though if they want to go on or not.   Just saying if not feeling bad and the performer wants to go they should be allowed to.

We were told masks and social distancing work, right?  

Not if you test positive.  Postive = quarantine for 5 days or you are putting others at risk. Regardless of symptoms.  Not that it is really enforceable, but that is the recommendation.

So about 100,000 people have seen PJ in the last two weeks.  Without masks.  Indoors.  Every flight is basically full.   No masks.   The country has completely moved on to the living with Covid stage just like it is the flu.  Everyone knows the risks and they most likely will run into someone with Covid.

So it isn’t safe for Jeff to be on stage 10 feet away from anyone, but okay for the rest of the crowd to be there standing shoulder to shoulder knowing some have it?   Seems a lot hypocritical.

Again, just referring to an asymptomatic/low symptoms Jeff who is personally comfortable playing on stage.  Not trying to say anyone positive should be forced to play.

There’s a difference between not knowing you’re sick and going out in public vs knowing you are and doing it.
I think we’ll see a change in culture for a while. It used to be some people never call in sick, never take sick days no matter what and was sometimes a badge of honor to always come in to work.  Now people ask why are you here if you just sound congested. 

I don’t think the majority of people are going to be okay with working next to someone who knows they are sick, in a band or in an office. The people you infect may not be asymptomatic.

But there is a difference between someone in an office who can work from home for a few days versus a band member who has 15,000 people in town ready to see them, paying for hotel, some flights, etc… I think that is a situation where you play the show if you are comfortable doing so and can socially distance.   Ed played with food poisoning.  It is part of the gig.

Food poisoning isn’t contagious.

Correct.  My reference to Ed was just playing shows when not feeling 100%.  I am assuming that you can socially distance and wear a mask and not put people at risk.  At least that is what we have been led to believe.

Social distancing and wearing a mask reduces the spread, it does not eliminate it. If you test positive you quarantine.  Jeff could (and would) not say no worries, I will just keep 6 feet away from everyone and continue to play while having COVID. I cannot see any of the band members or their team engaging in that kind of behavior.

Luckily, our favorite band isn't that selfish or naive.

THEBIBLEISTEN

pearljammr78 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Get_Right said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think if you are asymptomatic and part of a band you can find a way to play safely.  You can distance on a stage.  You can mask it up and distance when off stage.  

Now, up to the performer though if they want to go on or not.   Just saying if not feeling bad and the performer wants to go they should be allowed to.

We were told masks and social distancing work, right?  

Not if you test positive.  Postive = quarantine for 5 days or you are putting others at risk. Regardless of symptoms.  Not that it is really enforceable, but that is the recommendation.

So about 100,000 people have seen PJ in the last two weeks.  Without masks.  Indoors.  Every flight is basically full.   No masks.   The country has completely moved on to the living with Covid stage just like it is the flu.  Everyone knows the risks and they most likely will run into someone with Covid.

So it isn’t safe for Jeff to be on stage 10 feet away from anyone, but okay for the rest of the crowd to be there standing shoulder to shoulder knowing some have it?   Seems a lot hypocritical.

Again, just referring to an asymptomatic/low symptoms Jeff who is personally comfortable playing on stage.  Not trying to say anyone positive should be forced to play.

There’s a difference between not knowing you’re sick and going out in public vs knowing you are and doing it.
I think we’ll see a change in culture for a while. It used to be some people never call in sick, never take sick days no matter what and was sometimes a badge of honor to always come in to work.  Now people ask why are you here if you just sound congested. 

I don’t think the majority of people are going to be okay with working next to someone who knows they are sick, in a band or in an office. The people you infect may not be asymptomatic.

But there is a difference between someone in an office who can work from home for a few days versus a band member who has 15,000 people in town ready to see them, paying for hotel, some flights, etc… I think that is a situation where you play the show if you are comfortable doing so and can socially distance.   Ed played with food poisoning.  It is part of the gig.

Food poisoning isn’t contagious.

Who knows if it was food poisoning. Maybe it was the flu. No tests for that. And the flu is contagious. I was told by my supervisor at work to come work the third time I had covid. The difference is we are not millionaires who can miss work and not worry about the financial hole. I know I’m not the only one who was told to come to work with covid. It’s the haves and the have nots. As much as our band wants to pretend they’re not,  they are the haves. We are the have nots. Jeff could have sat on a stool behind the stage and played the bass lines. Something else could have been done but no one cares about the little person anymore. That was made obvious yesterday. 

You have had Covid 3x? Maybe your boss thought you were lieing. Do you wear a mask or did you get the very safe vaccine? 

GW2553

COVID??  Pffft...I'm already in line for the experimental Monkey Pox vaccine.

mace1229

davidos said:

Stop testing... if you have a fever, stay home.... We have to live with this. everyone will get it 2-3x per year due to the ever changing variants. Vax and boosted does not keep you from getting it.

2-3 times a year for majority of people is doubtful. Once every 2-3 years is portably more likely.