to me this seems like Taylor had an issue with Dave's touring schedule, vented to Matt and Chad. Matt/Chad told RS some stuff Taylor mentioned. RS prints their quotes now it looks like Matt/Chad are solely blaming Dave for this. That would explain their retraction because 1. im sure there were other factors involved with his death and 2. Matt/Chad aren't trying to get into a war with Dave. Messy situation all around
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I imagine Matt Cameron and Chad smith are saving face here. They must have gotten some push back from their bands or Dave. Anyways, rolling stone can easily straighten this out. Post the full interviews. We shall see who was right or who was wrong.
What else could they add to this interview that would've changed what they said? RS quoted what they said. Sure, they probably left out some of the pieces but what Matt and Chad were saying was the truth from personal experience and what Taylor told them.
Matt and Chad shouldn't have ever said what they said if they didn't want the public to hear their side of the story. Now they are regretting it. RS may be shite but they are just doing their job.
FF hasn't made any public comments and there's probably a reason for that. Matt and Chad eluded to some of the issues.
just because it's an actual quote doesn't mean it wasn't taken out of context. context matters.
Yeah but on the other hand, look at these quotes....
“He had a heart-to-heart with Dave and, yeah, he told me that he ‘couldn’t fucking do it anymore’ — those were his words,” says Pearl Jam drummer Matt Cameron, a close friend of Hawkins’ for decades who recorded music with him recently under the banner Nighttime Boogie Association, one of Hawkins’ many side projects. “So I guess they did come to some understanding, but it just seems like the touring schedule got even crazier after that.”
“He tried to keep up,” Cameron says. “He just did whatever it took to keep up, and in the end he couldn’t keep up.”
Hawkins turned to Cameron for advice, since the Pearl Jam drummer faced similar pressures. “There’s only a handful of guys in our profession that still play this intense high-energy, Nineties rock music,” Cameron says. “We both had to strike that balance of ‘We never want to complain,’ but there are real, specific things about what we do that’s really fucking challenging and really difficult. … It’s like we have to be able to sort of run a marathon every time we hit the stage, just because the music sort of calls for that type of energy.”
After reading the article a second time, I think Matt's quotes were used pretty fairly. He said in his Instagram post that he thought the point of the article was to pay tribute to Taylor. Well, Matt could've paid tribute (which he does during other parts of the article) without saying "he couldn't fucking do it anymore" and noting "their tour schedule got even crazier after that." But he said what he said. I don't think these quotes were taken out of context.
um, since you were only given the quotes that were printed, and having not seen the full context, how could you claim to believe they weren't taken out of context? that can't possibly known without the context!
What kind context do you need for these quotes? Especially the first two.
Context or not, it was strange to read quotes like this from Matt. Particularly so in a magazine like Rolling Stone that has earned the contempt many are showing it in this thread.
I imagine Matt Cameron and Chad smith are saving face here. They must have gotten some push back from their bands or Dave. Anyways, rolling stone can easily straighten this out. Post the full interviews. We shall see who was right or who was wrong.
What else could they add to this interview that would've changed what they said? RS quoted what they said. Sure, they probably left out some of the pieces but what Matt and Chad were saying was the truth from personal experience and what Taylor told them.
Matt and Chad shouldn't have ever said what they said if they didn't want the public to hear their side of the story. Now they are regretting it. RS may be shite but they are just doing their job.
FF hasn't made any public comments and there's probably a reason for that. Matt and Chad eluded to some of the issues.
just because it's an actual quote doesn't mean it wasn't taken out of context. context matters.
Yeah but on the other hand, look at these quotes....
“He had a heart-to-heart with Dave and, yeah, he told me that he ‘couldn’t fucking do it anymore’ — those were his words,” says Pearl Jam drummer Matt Cameron, a close friend of Hawkins’ for decades who recorded music with him recently under the banner Nighttime Boogie Association, one of Hawkins’ many side projects. “So I guess they did come to some understanding, but it just seems like the touring schedule got even crazier after that.”
“He tried to keep up,” Cameron says. “He just did whatever it took to keep up, and in the end he couldn’t keep up.”
Hawkins turned to Cameron for advice, since the Pearl Jam drummer faced similar pressures. “There’s only a handful of guys in our profession that still play this intense high-energy, Nineties rock music,” Cameron says. “We both had to strike that balance of ‘We never want to complain,’ but there are real, specific things about what we do that’s really fucking challenging and really difficult. … It’s like we have to be able to sort of run a marathon every time we hit the stage, just because the music sort of calls for that type of energy.”
After reading the article a second time, I think Matt's quotes were used pretty fairly. He said in his Instagram post that he thought the point of the article was to pay tribute to Taylor. Well, Matt could've paid tribute (which he does during other parts of the article) without saying "he couldn't fucking do it anymore" and noting "their tour schedule got even crazier after that." But he said what he said. I don't think these quotes were taken out of context.
um, since you were only given the quotes that were printed, and having not seen the full context, how could you claim to believe they weren't taken out of context? that can't possibly known without the context!
What kind context do you need for these quotes? Especially the first two.
I imagine Matt Cameron and Chad smith are saving face here. They must have gotten some push back from their bands or Dave. Anyways, rolling stone can easily straighten this out. Post the full interviews. We shall see who was right or who was wrong.
What else could they add to this interview that would've changed what they said? RS quoted what they said. Sure, they probably left out some of the pieces but what Matt and Chad were saying was the truth from personal experience and what Taylor told them.
Matt and Chad shouldn't have ever said what they said if they didn't want the public to hear their side of the story. Now they are regretting it. RS may be shite but they are just doing their job.
FF hasn't made any public comments and there's probably a reason for that. Matt and Chad eluded to some of the issues.
just because it's an actual quote doesn't mean it wasn't taken out of context. context matters.
Yeah but on the other hand, look at these quotes....
“He had a heart-to-heart with Dave and, yeah, he told me that he ‘couldn’t fucking do it anymore’ — those were his words,” says Pearl Jam drummer Matt Cameron, a close friend of Hawkins’ for decades who recorded music with him recently under the banner Nighttime Boogie Association, one of Hawkins’ many side projects. “So I guess they did come to some understanding, but it just seems like the touring schedule got even crazier after that.”
“He tried to keep up,” Cameron says. “He just did whatever it took to keep up, and in the end he couldn’t keep up.”
Hawkins turned to Cameron for advice, since the Pearl Jam drummer faced similar pressures. “There’s only a handful of guys in our profession that still play this intense high-energy, Nineties rock music,” Cameron says. “We both had to strike that balance of ‘We never want to complain,’ but there are real, specific things about what we do that’s really fucking challenging and really difficult. … It’s like we have to be able to sort of run a marathon every time we hit the stage, just because the music sort of calls for that type of energy.”
After reading the article a second time, I think Matt's quotes were used pretty fairly. He said in his Instagram post that he thought the point of the article was to pay tribute to Taylor. Well, Matt could've paid tribute (which he does during other parts of the article) without saying "he couldn't fucking do it anymore" and noting "their tour schedule got even crazier after that." But he said what he said. I don't think these quotes were taken out of context.
um, since you were only given the quotes that were printed, and having not seen the full context, how could you claim to believe they weren't taken out of context? that can't possibly known without the context!
What kind context do you need for these quotes? Especially the first two.
the question asked and the full answer.
Exactly. We have no idea whether the "He tried to keep up quote" came from the same question as the previous one about touring schedule and talking to Dave. I'd guess not, and using them in conjunction like that paints a pretty accusatory picture
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Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that.
RS is BS rag mag. Politically biased as well. I am sure TH was just venting frustration and pressure to support the FF tours to his buddies. But why would Matt and Chad talk to this rag mag? This rag mag is looking for shock and awe stories and clicks.
Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that.
now you've changed the argument. But to this comment; maybe they knew the "journalist" in question. Maybe they trusted them. Maybe they were given assurances that later came to be untrue, as they both have stated on their socials.
The entire point is, none of us can know exactly what the full context was or why they said what they said and under what circumstance. The fact that it was two of Taylor's closest friends/colleagues should call into question the motivations of the writer or editor of the story.
Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that.
now you've changed the argument. But to this comment; maybe they knew the "journalist" in question. Maybe they trusted them. Maybe they were given assurances that later came to be untrue, as they both have stated on their socials.
The entire point is, none of us can know exactly what the full context was or why they said what they said and under what circumstance. The fact that it was two of Taylor's closest friends/colleagues should call into question the motivations of the writer or editor of the story.
Well if you’re gonna “‘maybe this and maybe that,” maybe Matt and Chad thought they were being sympathetic to Taylor with those quotes, but didn’t think about how they made Dave look until the article came out…and now they’re doing damage control. Maybe….
Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that.
now you've changed the argument. But to this comment; maybe they knew the "journalist" in question. Maybe they trusted them. Maybe they were given assurances that later came to be untrue, as they both have stated on their socials.
The entire point is, none of us can know exactly what the full context was or why they said what they said and under what circumstance. The fact that it was two of Taylor's closest friends/colleagues should call into question the motivations of the writer or editor of the story.
Well if you’re gonna “‘maybe this and maybe that,” maybe Matt and Chad thought they were being sympathetic to Taylor with those quotes, but didn’t think about how they made Dave look until the article came out…and now they’re doing damage control. Maybe….
This sounds way more plausible than RS didn't run the whole story. RS didn't mix and match words from sentences. These were full sentences. This was information that was not public before so of course RS is going to jump on what these guys said. That's the other thing, it wasn't one random guy talking. It was 2 different well known rock starts that told the same story about Taylor.
The only context that would've made a difference is if Matt and Chad both said, "Everything we are saying is not true."
Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that.
now you've changed the argument. But to this comment; maybe they knew the "journalist" in question. Maybe they trusted them. Maybe they were given assurances that later came to be untrue, as they both have stated on their socials.
The entire point is, none of us can know exactly what the full context was or why they said what they said and under what circumstance. The fact that it was two of Taylor's closest friends/colleagues should call into question the motivations of the writer or editor of the story.
Well if you’re gonna “‘maybe this and maybe that,” maybe Matt and Chad thought they were being sympathetic to Taylor with those quotes, but didn’t think about how they made Dave look until the article came out…and now they’re doing damage control. Maybe….
This sounds way more plausible than RS didn't run the whole story. RS didn't mix and match words from sentences. These were full sentences. This was information that was not public before so of course RS is going to jump on what these guys said. That's the other thing, it wasn't one random guy talking. It was 2 different well known rock starts that told the same story about Taylor.
The only context that would've made a difference is if Matt and Chad both said, "Everything we are saying is not true."
I don't think you understand what context means. lol
Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that.
now you've changed the argument. But to this comment; maybe they knew the "journalist" in question. Maybe they trusted them. Maybe they were given assurances that later came to be untrue, as they both have stated on their socials.
The entire point is, none of us can know exactly what the full context was or why they said what they said and under what circumstance. The fact that it was two of Taylor's closest friends/colleagues should call into question the motivations of the writer or editor of the story.
Well if you’re gonna “‘maybe this and maybe that,” maybe Matt and Chad thought they were being sympathetic to Taylor with those quotes, but didn’t think about how they made Dave look until the article came out…and now they’re doing damage control. Maybe….
yeah, that's kinda my entire point. none of us know. it is "maybe" everything.
Well articles like this don’t work like that. Especially with pathetic rag like Rolling Stone. And Matt and Chad know that.
now you've changed the argument. But to this comment; maybe they knew the "journalist" in question. Maybe they trusted them. Maybe they were given assurances that later came to be untrue, as they both have stated on their socials.
The entire point is, none of us can know exactly what the full context was or why they said what they said and under what circumstance. The fact that it was two of Taylor's closest friends/colleagues should call into question the motivations of the writer or editor of the story.
Well if you’re gonna “‘maybe this and maybe that,” maybe Matt and Chad thought they were being sympathetic to Taylor with those quotes, but didn’t think about how they made Dave look until the article came out…and now they’re doing damage control. Maybe….
This sounds way more plausible than RS didn't run the whole story. RS didn't mix and match words from sentences. These were full sentences. This was information that was not public before so of course RS is going to jump on what these guys said. That's the other thing, it wasn't one random guy talking. It was 2 different well known rock starts that told the same story about Taylor.
The only context that would've made a difference is if Matt and Chad both said, "Everything we are saying is not true."
I don't think you understand what context means. lol
I don't think you understand how interviews work.
Context:the circumstances that form the setting for an
event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully
understood and assessed.
What context could've possibly been added that would've changed what they said? These quotes weren't taken out on context. They were quotes that should never have been said as they added a whole new light to this story. There is no context that would've changed the substance of what they said. Neither Matt nor Chad should ever have said anything like this. They both fucked up and are now trying to walk it back.
I'm amused by the people who are complaining about the "political bias" at Rolling Stone. It's a magazine that arose out of the counterculture of the '60s. It has always had a left-wing point of view. It has never pretended otherwise. I wonder if the people who take such offense at its political bias are equally offended by the political bias of National Review or the Weekly Standard.
finally read the entire article. man....two months on and it's still tough.
I thought it was a great article. Will be interesting to see how RS responds to Matt and Chad's statements (Maybe post the entire audio?)
FF are crazy with their touring schedule - I'd say that's an objective truth. But flying to Australia for 1 show is next level. Could definitely see how people in their camp might not have been jacked about that. (If true, that is.)
what a waste....just to be "the first big show".
That happened again with Dave/FF around 2005?, if I remember correctly. Dave describes that trip down under in his latest book.
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What kind context do you need for these quotes? Especially the first two.
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The entire point is, none of us can know exactly what the full context was or why they said what they said and under what circumstance. The fact that it was two of Taylor's closest friends/colleagues should call into question the motivations of the writer or editor of the story.
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