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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,676
    edited February 2022
    The Kyiv Independent newspaper has good coverage of what Russia shelled and attacked today.


    https://kyivindependent.com/

    I'm learning new combat terms like hurricane missile system, volley fire, etc...
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    tish said:
    Bri, Jose Andre is feeding Ukrainian refugees on Poland's border and plans to expand operations in another border country.

    He is using donations and $ from Jeff's Bezos award.
    Jose is an incredible human being damn! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Posts: 1,024
    edited February 2022
    tish said:
    Bri, Jose Andre is feeding Ukrainian refugees on Poland's border and plans to expand operations in another border country.

    He is using donations and $ from Jeff's Bezos award.
    The man and his organization deserve a Nobel Peace Prize.
    He's on a very short list of famous people with whom I would like to have dinner and a conversation.
    World Central Kitchen is the organization if anyone wants to donate. Jose Andres and his team are incredible. On the scene feeding people usually before anyone else gets there to help. 

  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    tish said:
    Bri, Jose Andre is feeding Ukrainian refugees on Poland's border and plans to expand operations in another border country.

    He is using donations and $ from Jeff's Bezos award.
    The man and his organization deserve a Nobel Peace Prize.
    He's on a very short list of famous people with whom I would like to have dinner and a conversation.
    World Central Kitchen is the organization if anyone wants to donate. Jose Andres and his team are incredible. On the scene feeding people usually before anyone else gets there to help. 

    I’ve donated by far one of my favorite humans in my stratosphere! The man is today’s mother Theresa 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    edited February 2022
    Off topic, but I had to.

     Chapman's Ice Cream faces backlash and boycott over vaccination policy
      
    ‘The reaction was pretty brutal, actually very, very aggressive,’ says vice-president Ashley Chapman

    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-tuesday-edition-1.6259614/chapman-s-ice-cream-faces-backlash-and-boycott-over-vaccination-policy-1.6259879

    Chapman's hates freedumb
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    tish said:
    Bri, Jose Andre is feeding Ukrainian refugees on Poland's border and plans to expand operations in another border country.

    He is using donations and $ from Jeff's Bezos award.
    Good man that Jose! 

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    It is very encouraging to see the large numbers of protestors and prominent voices in Russian speaking out against the Ukraine invasion.  Let's not forget to give big kudos to these courageous souls.

    Prominent Russians join protests against Ukraine war amid 1,800 arrests

    As invasion continues, people from worlds of entertainment, business and journalism voice opposition


    Prominent Russians shocked by the invasion of Ukraine have gone public with their opposition to the war, despite the professional and personal risks that come with dissent on such a sensitive issue in Russia.

    More than 1,800 people were arrested at rallies across the country on Thursday night as prominent Russians from the worlds of entertainment, business and journalism have risked their livelihoods in order to speak out.

    When Elena Chernenko, the veteran diplomatic correspondent for Kommersant newspaper, found out that Russia was invading Ukraine, she said she was stunned.

    “Of course, I was shocked … Until yesterday morning, I refused to believe that Russia could launch a massive military operation against Ukraine,” said Chernenko, who believed Russia may at most recognise the territories in south-east Ukraine.

    “I thought that all the talk about invasions was awful hysteria. I argued with people on Twitter and in person that nothing would happen, it’s all thought up,” she said. “Maybe I don’t understand anything about Russian foreign policy anymore.”

    After Putin announced the military operation, she penned an open letter condemning the attack on Ukraine. “War has never been and will never be a method of conflict resolution and there are no excuses for it,” she wrote. Nearly 300 journalists have signed, including representatives of state-run media.

    In retaliation, she revealed she has been expelled from the diplomatic pool, which she has covered for more than 11 years, for “unprofessionalism”.

    Chernenko remains a strong critic of Ukraine’s policy toward the Donbas region, but said she could not justify the kind of military operation now unfolding.

    “There was nothing complicated about it for me,” Chernenko said of her letter. “It was a spontaneous reaction. My country has started a military operation against another … but we’re for diplomacy, we’re for the UN charter, moral values, brotherly nations, and all that. And I had the feeling that this is the wrong path.”

    Popular actors and musicians, some of whom are employed by the government, have also spoken out and appear to have been punished for their dissent.

    On Thursday, Ivan Urgant, the host of a popular talk show on state-run Channel One, posted a black square on Instagram with the caption “Fear and pain. No to war.” His show has not gone on air since. Channel One has claimed it is just a scheduling issue, although several reports in Russian media say that they have been blacklisted.

    Elena Kovalskaya, the director of the Meyerhold Center in Moscow, quit her job at the state-financed theatre in an act of protest over the war. “It’s impossible to work for a murderer and receive your salary from him,” she wrote of her decision.

    “Our future is being taken from us,” said Yuri Shevchuk, the frontman of classic Soviet rock band DDT and a veteran anti-war campaigner, who went to Chechnya in 1995 as part of a peace tour. “We’re being pulled like through an ice hole into the past, into the 19th, 18th, 17th centuries. And people refuse to accept it.”

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    He pointed to those in show business who would usually avoid politics now coming out against the war. “Even those pop stars who never talked about politics, who were afraid to lose their shows, honorariums, and so on.”

    They include mainstream stars like Valery Meladze, as well as more politically minded artists like the rapper Oxxxymiron. He voluntarily cancelled six sold-out shows in Moscow and St Petersburg, writing: “I cannot entertain you when Russian missiles are falling on Ukraine.”

    Even the family members of some of Russia’s richest businessmen have gone public in their opposition to war. The daughter of Roman Abramovich posted an Instagram picture that read “Putin wants a war with Ukraine,” crossing out the word Russia. “The biggest and most successful lie of Kremlin’s propaganda is that most Russian stand with Putin.”

    And on Friday afternoon, Lisa Peskova, the daughter of Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, took to Instagram to post a simple message on a black background: #Нетвойне, or “No to war.” So did Tatyana Yumasheva, the daughter of Boris Yeltsin.

    While the acts of dissent may not change Kremlin policy, they could point to significantly less public or elite support for the current military operation in Ukraine than the annexation of Crimea eight years ago.

    Hours after Putin announced the military operation, protests broke out on the streets of Moscow and St Petersburg and more than 50 other Russian cities on Thursday evening.

    They were not the largest protests that Moscow has ever seen. But they were remarkable as a show of defiance despite threats that the government would crack down harder than usual.

    “Not only did they go to war without us, they won’t even let you protest against a war,” said Zhanna, a young woman with her hair dyed green, pointing to police in riot helmets. “But war is never right. I need to be here because I feel ashamed.”

    One young man held up a sign that said “Fuck the war!” Within seconds, four police officers had fallen on top of him, dragging him roughly to a police van as media and photographers crowded around.

    That scene repeated itself dozens of times, as protesters mostly waited their turn for police to arrest them. As the protesters were pushed off the square, they began to march down the broad pavement of Tverskaya Street, chanting “No to war.”

    A number of protesters said that they wished more people had come out in opposition to the war, a remark echoed by political analysts.

    “The government can put down nearly any protest at this point,” said Tatyana Stanovaya, the founder of R.Politik. “And in order for the situation to become serious, many more people would have to come out than did so yesterday.”

    Despite the odds stacked against them, many Russians have said they feel it is their duty to speak out whatever the consequences.

    “They are all doing this without worrying about their own future and threats,” said Dmitry Muratov, the Nobel prize-winning editor of Novaya Gazeta. “These people have all spoken very clearly to say that they are against this bloodshed. And that is very inspiring for me.”

    Muratov released dual editions of his newspaper in both Russian and Ukrainian this week and has said that his newspaper would defy the Russian media watchdog’s rules that they only report official government information about the war, trusting reporting only from their own newsroom.

    He believes the war is an unpopular one for most Russians.

    “The memory of the [second world] war, and that people have relatives in Ukraine, and that Ukraine is a dear country to us, it holds back even the most rabid supporters of the current leadership,” said Muratov. “There is no enthusiasm for this.”












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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,676
    mickeyrat said:
    tish said:
    ^great info in your post, Bri. In response to #5, China is buying Russias wheat to lessen their hit.

    they also have a sizeable population to keep fed though, which seems a reasonable reason for the purchase. shouldnt a governments major priority be the welfare of its citizens?
    "At a time when the world was seeking to put additional sanctions on Russia, they have eased restrictions on the trade of Russian wheat into China...and that is simply unacceptable," he said at a press conference.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/business/wheat-russia-china-intl-hnk/index.html

    found more criticism of this again today
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602


    US, Europe step up Russia sanctions to target Putin directly
    By RAF CASERT, AAMER MADHANI and ELLEN KNICKMEYER
    Today

    BRUSSELS (AP) — The United States and European allies said Friday they were stepping up sanctions over Russia's invasion of Ukraine by adding measures directly targeting President Vladimir Putin and his foreign minister, putting diplomatic appeals to one side as Russia's forces closed on Ukraine's capital.

    The move by the U.S., the European Union and Britain sends “a clear message about the strength of the opposition to the actions" by Putin, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said. On a day when explosions and gunfire were sounding in Kyiv's capital, and Pope Francis went to Russia's embassy in Rome to personally appeal for an end, the sanctions were part of growing global condemnation of the offensive.

    Asked by reporters if U.S. President Joe Biden has planned any more direct diplomatic overtures toward Putin, whose ground and air forces are pushing an offensive on Ukraine's key cities, Psaki said no.

    “I would say that a moment where a leader is ... in the middle of invading a sovereign country is not the moment where diplomacy feels appropriate,” Psaki told reporters at a White House briefing. “It does not mean we have ruled out diplomacy forever.”

    Psaki said the U.S. was preparing individual sanctions on Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, likely to include travel bans. The announcement came hours after the European Union announced it intended to freeze Putin's assets, and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson told NATO leaders his country would also sanction Putin and Lavrov.

    The US, UK and European Union say they will move to sanction Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. President Joe Biden decided to make the move in the last 24 hours after talks with European leaders. (Feb. 25)

    Psaki said the U.S. would also newly sanction the Russian Direct Investment Fund, which functions as a sovereign wealth fund meant to draw capital into the Russian economy.

    The U.S. and European allies announced sweeping asset freezes and other penalties Thursday against Russia's banks, state-owned enterprises and elites, but they spared Russia's leader and foreign minister in that round.

    A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the Biden administration's talks internally on the matter, said there was debate among administration officials about whether to include Lavrov in the sanctions, as some wanted to ensure a path for diplomatic contact remained open.

    While the sanctions to be imposed would not ban contact between, for example, Putin and Biden, or U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Lavrov, they put a new chill on what had been weeks of repeated diplomatic efforts with Russia as Putin built up forces on Ukraine's borders. The debate on including Lavrov went back and forth, and was one of the reasons the individual sanctions were not announced with Thursday's other measures.

    Ukraine’s ambassador to the U.S., Oksana Markarova, called the allies' decision to freeze the assets of Putin himself the right one.

    “It was President Putin’s decision to attack Ukraine. ... And he is the one responsible for the war that the Russian Federation is now waging on us," Markarova told reporters at Ukraine's embassy in Washington.

    Friday's U.S. measures block Putin and Lavrov, whom the Treasury Department's formal announcement of the sanctions described as Putin's “chief propagandist," from access to any assets within reach of U.S. officials, and bar anyone in the United States from doing business with them. Members of Russia's security council also were sanctioned.

    It was unclear what the practical impact on the two men would be and how important their assets in Europe were.

    “I can assure you that if you got major assets and all of a sudden you can’t get hold of them, it will cost you,” said EU foreign affairs chief Josep Borrell.

    EU ministers have said that even further sanctions were still possible, including booting Russia out of SWIFT, the dominant system for global financial transactions.

    “The debate about SWIFT is not off the table, it will continue,” Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn said.

    Admonishing Russia further, the Council of Europe suspended Russia from the continent’s foremost human rights organization. The 47-nation council said Russia remained a member and continued to be bound by the relevant human rights conventions.

    Undeterred in the game of punitive sanctions, Russia started its own tit-for-tat measures, banning British flights to and over its territory in retaliation to a similar U.K. ban on Aeroflot flights.

    Russian authorities also announced the “partial restriction” of access to Facebook after the social media network limited the accounts of several Kremlin-backed media.

    Yet with the Kremlin's eyes fully targeted on expanding the attacks on Ukraine, almost all the action was still going one way.

    In terms unheard since the Cold War, threats were flying from all sides and ran through society.

    In a sign of papal anger, Pope Francis went to the Russian Embassy to “express his concern about the war," the Vatican said. It was an extraordinary, hands-on gesture, since usually popes receive ambassadors and heads of state in the Vatican.

    The May 28 UEFA Champions League final, the Super Bowl of European soccer, was stripped from St. Petersburg and will move Paris. Formula One dropped this season’s Russian Grand Prix at Sochi in protest.

    And in pop culture, the wildly popular Eurovision song contest banned Russia from the May finals in Turin, Italy.

    Countries in Asia and the Pacific have joined the U.S., the EU and others in the West in piling on punitive measures against Russian banks and leading companies. The nations have also set up export controls aimed at starving Russia’s industries and military of semiconductors and other high-tech products.

    “Japan must clearly show its position that we will never tolerate any attempt to change the status quo by force,” Prime Minister Fumio Kishida told reporters Friday.

    Taiwan announced Friday that it would join in economic sanctions, although it did not specify what those would be. They could potentially be focused on export control of semiconductor chips, of which Taiwan is the dominant producer.


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  • Way to represent and stretch that XXL. We previously had a POTUS who quit smoking, ate kale and was svelt. But you know, ‘Murica. How does Melania cope?


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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,676
    Any of you dinosaurs watched the war on tik-tok? Live feeds from Kiev? Crazytown.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    edited February 2022
  • mace1229 said:
    What’s your point? It’s POOTWH and Zelensky. Did President Biden get a deferment or two or three?

    But I’ll digress and ask you, how many POOTWH kids have served their nation? 

    I’ll await the spin
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  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,676
    So many Ukrainian cities with air raids right now. 
  • leaving work now. Could barely sleep last night worrying about the attack on Kyiv. Logging of from the war. It's just so sad.
    Im with you its fucking awful. My cousin lives in Moscow  and says protests are happening  but people are getting  arrested.  
    I can't  handle the loss of lives needlessly.  
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    mace1229 said:
    What’s your point? It’s POOTWH and Zelensky. Did President Biden get a deferment or two or three?

    But I’ll digress and ask you, how many POOTWH kids have served their nation? 

    I’ll await the spin
    My point is why make fun of trump for the same thing Biden did even more? My guess is everyone sharing that tweet has no idea Biden deferred more times that Trump.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    An example of the cowardliness of the invasion, the strength of resolve of the Ukraine, and the sadness of needless deaths:

    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    What’s your point? It’s POOTWH and Zelensky. Did President Biden get a deferment or two or three?

    But I’ll digress and ask you, how many POOTWH kids have served their nation? 

    I’ll await the spin
    My point is why make fun of trump for the same thing Biden did even more? My guess is everyone sharing that tweet has no idea Biden deferred more times that Trump.
    Your guess.
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  • And yo! Biden isn’t even in the picture. So yea, your “guess.”
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  • Some people or posters claim to “teach.” Good fuckery lord. Praise be to Jebus. Hey now Buh Buh Buh same now same now saaaame now.

    Really?

    really?
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  • Hey! Same-same! How freakin weak!

    All while a real hot war rages.

    embarrassing. You joining the People’s Convoy?

    Just wondering.
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  • Defending the wrong side of history. So proud.


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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    mace1229 said:
    What’s your point? It’s POOTWH and Zelensky. Did President Biden get a deferment or two or three?

    But I’ll digress and ask you, how many POOTWH kids have served their nation? 

    I’ll await the spin

    Tell me again what POOTWH stands for?  (I'm fairly good at Wordle but if they ever come up with an acronym game, I'm screwed!)

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    What’s your point? It’s POOTWH and Zelensky. Did President Biden get a deferment or two or three?

    But I’ll digress and ask you, how many POOTWH kids have served their nation? 

    I’ll await the spin

    Tell me again what POOTWH stands for?  (I'm fairly good at Wordle but if they ever come up with an acronym game, I'm screwed!)


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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    What’s your point? It’s POOTWH and Zelensky. Did President Biden get a deferment or two or three?

    But I’ll digress and ask you, how many POOTWH kids have served their nation? 

    I’ll await the spin

    Tell me again what POOTWH stands for?  (I'm fairly good at Wordle but if they ever come up with an acronym game, I'm screwed!)


    previous occupant..... 

    Ahhhh, thank you.  Sort of like PPOTUS
    Or PITY PI PO PI PUM and RUMMINY DUM DUM DO
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    What’s your point? It’s POOTWH and Zelensky. Did President Biden get a deferment or two or three?

    But I’ll digress and ask you, how many POOTWH kids have served their nation? 

    I’ll await the spin

    Tell me again what POOTWH stands for?  (I'm fairly good at Wordle but if they ever come up with an acronym game, I'm screwed!)


    previous occupant..... 

    Ahhhh, thank you.  Sort of like PPOTUS
    Or PITY PI PO PI PUM and RUMMINY DUM DUM DO

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,602
    edited February 2022
    So I was thinking or wondering just how does Putin walk away from this now,  he can't really save face can he?
     Just how do you walk away from such obvious and blatant lies that he used to get into this thing to begin with and still save face or have any credibility as a leader of his country.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    mickeyrat said:
    So I was thinking or wondering just how does Putin walk away from this now,  he can't really save face can he?
     Just how do you walk away from such obvious and blatant lies that he used to get into this thing to begin with and still save face or have any credibility as a leader of his country.


    I don't think he does.  Or at least I hope not.  Hopefully that backlash that he is getting from much of the world will continue.  Better yet, strengthen.  And as Heather pointed out, "Putin needed a quick victory in Ukraine, and the heroic resistance of the Ukrainians has made that impossible, buying time for pressure against him to build."  A lot of people are wanting that pressure to ramp up big time.
    I hope this becomes one of the biggest backfires against authoritarianism in history, and that he is remembered as being more fallible and inept than for being powerful.  That, of course, is to be seen.
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