I'm thinking Putin may want to start WWIII just so he can try to shake up the geopolitical alliances. I don'y see this stopping with Ukraine and I don't see a reason for just taking over Ukraine. He and his cronies are already rich and getting richer. I think the goal may just be complete Geo Political destabilization.
The only thing I’ve heard to support him stopping at Ukraine is NATO. Since they aren’t part of it, there won’t be as much reassurance. But invade another country, there would be.
But why not stop him swiftly now. Because Ukraine isn't officially a part of NATO. They are still our allies. it seems weak to not respond as forcefully as if this were a NATO member nation.
unfortunately, there are rules to this "game" that the good guys have to adhere to, and the bad guys don't.
A recipe for the bad guys to win. What am I doing listening to a Qtrumpublican anyway...
NATO has no right under its charter to deploy troops in Ukraine.
Putin knows NATO isn't a joke or he wouldn't be so concerned over Ukraine joining them. He wants to take it back before they have full authorized backing as a member.
This is what I was reading, too - gotta find the picture of the one soldier with their head bandaged basically saying, "look we had no idea we were going to go after anyone. This was all recon."
This is interesting to me, coupled with that other story about the Russian troops who surrendered already. Was this a half-measure to try and get the west to take a more aggressive response and justify further escalation by Putin and Russia?
This is interesting to me, coupled with that other story about the Russian troops who surrendered already. Was this a half-measure to try and get the west to take a more aggressive response and justify further escalation by Putin and Russia?
That is a good theory. Hopefully the whole army surrenders.
I do t understand all the intricacies of NATO. I don’t really even understand the point since the UN was made just a few years before.
I wouldnt think there’s anything preventing other countries from stepping in on their own, without the backing of NATO. But probably wanting to stay out of it in terms of feet on the ground until they are forced to. And that would be when one of the main members gets invaded. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Estonia gets invaded most of Europe thinks it’s not worth a war with Russia and not follow through. Ive been to Estonia twice, spent about 2 weeks each time. A really neat place with nice people and interesting history. It’s about 40% Russian because when Russia occupied it they just sent tons of people there. Apparently people would get a knock on their door in the middle of the night, told to board a train to Siberia, and gave their house to some Russians. Then 30 years later when the USSR fell, a lot came back trying to get their house and was a big mess. Really wouldn’t be surprised if Ukraine is successful for Putin that countries like that would be next. And one fear Estonians had when I was there was they are too small for the rest of Europe to really care about if/when Russia ever invaded.
NATO has no right under its charter to deploy troops in Ukraine.
No right, or not bound to? Serious question.
Well that's a good question. Definitely not bound to do so. Whether they have it in their charter to do so, I don't know.
Quick Google search shows NATO involvement in wars not protecting NATO members. So my uneducated guess is they can get involved if they really wanted too.
I do t understand all the intricacies of NATO. I don’t really even understand the point since the UN was made just a few years before.
I wouldnt think there’s anything preventing other countries from stepping in on their own, without the backing of NATO. But probably wanting to stay out of it in terms of feet on the ground until they are forced to. And that would be when one of the main members gets invaded. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Estonia gets invaded most of Europe thinks it’s not worth a war with Russia and not follow through. Ive been to Estonia twice, spent about 2 weeks each time. A really neat place with nice people and interesting history. It’s about 40% Russian because when Russia occupied it they just sent tons of people there. Apparently people would get a knock on their door in the middle of the night, told to board a train to Siberia, and gave their house to some Russians. Then 30 years later when the USSR fell, a lot came back trying to get their house and was a big mess. Really wouldn’t be surprised if Ukraine is successful for Putin that countries like that would be next. And one fear Estonians had when I was there was they are too small for the rest of Europe to really care about if/when Russia ever invaded.
NATO is a military alliance formed as a bulwark to the USSR. It has its own army. The UN is a diplomatic body, the successor to the failed League of Nations that the US refused to join (even though it was Wilson's baby).
yeah, I read a piece this morning on CNN.com that talked about this very thing, the thing that may have sunk Romney's bid against Obama, but he was right all along.
yeah, I read a piece this morning on CNN.com that talked about this very thing, the thing that may have sunk Romney's bid against Obama, but he was right all along.
Haha.. nah. It was a few things and this wasn't it I don't believe. It was "Binders of women" and then the secretly recorded dinner with his comment about 48% takers or whatever. Plus people loved Barack and Michelle.
yeah, I read a piece this morning on CNN.com that talked about this very thing, the thing that may have sunk Romney's bid against Obama, but he was right all along.
Haha.. nah. It was a few things and this wasn't it I don't believe. It was "Binders of women" and then the secretly recorded dinner with his comment about 48% takers or whatever. Plus people loved Barack and Michelle.
haha, I forgot about the binders full of women. lol
All major Russian banks will have their assets frozen and will be excluded from the UK financial system. This will stop them from accessing sterling and clearing payments through the UK. This includes a full and immediate freeze of VTB bank
Legislation will stop major Russian companies and the state from raising finance or borrowing money on UK markets
Asset freezes will be put on 100 new individuals or entities
The Aeroflot airline will be banned from landing in the UK
There will be a suspension of dual use export licences to cover things which can be used for military purposes
Within days the UK will stop exports of hi-tech items and oil refinery equipment
There will be a limit on deposits Russians can make to UK bank accounts
He says there is potential to cut Russia out from Swift payments and "nothing is off the table"
Similar financial sanctions will be extended to Belarus for its role in the assault on Ukraine
The UK will bring forward parts of the economic crime bill before the Easter recess
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yeah, I read a piece this morning on CNN.com that talked about this very thing, the thing that may have sunk Romney's bid against Obama, but he was right all along.
Haha.. nah. It was a few things and this wasn't it I don't believe. It was "Binders of women" and then the secretly recorded dinner with his comment about 48% takers or whatever. Plus people loved Barack and Michelle.
I do t understand all the intricacies of NATO. I don’t really even understand the point since the UN was made just a few years before.
I wouldnt think there’s anything preventing other countries from stepping in on their own, without the backing of NATO. But probably wanting to stay out of it in terms of feet on the ground until they are forced to. And that would be when one of the main members gets invaded. I wouldn’t even be surprised if Estonia gets invaded most of Europe thinks it’s not worth a war with Russia and not follow through. Ive been to Estonia twice, spent about 2 weeks each time. A really neat place with nice people and interesting history. It’s about 40% Russian because when Russia occupied it they just sent tons of people there. Apparently people would get a knock on their door in the middle of the night, told to board a train to Siberia, and gave their house to some Russians. Then 30 years later when the USSR fell, a lot came back trying to get their house and was a big mess. Really wouldn’t be surprised if Ukraine is successful for Putin that countries like that would be next. And one fear Estonians had when I was there was they are too small for the rest of Europe to really care about if/when Russia ever invaded.
NATO is a military alliance formed as a bulwark to the USSR. It has its own army. The UN is a diplomatic body, the successor to the failed League of Nations that the US refused to join (even though it was Wilson's baby).
But doesn’t the UN send in troops? I remember many of the American troops in the Middle East wearing UN uniforms. I gues NATO was targeted against the USSR and UN was just overall peace, but still seems a little redundant. Both are made of of its members, and any soldiers sent would be soldiers from individual countries.
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Ive been to Estonia twice, spent about 2 weeks each time. A really neat place with nice people and interesting history. It’s about 40% Russian because when Russia occupied it they just sent tons of people there. Apparently people would get a knock on their door in the middle of the night, told to board a train to Siberia, and gave their house to some Russians. Then 30 years later when the USSR fell, a lot came back trying to get their house and was a big mess. Really wouldn’t be surprised if Ukraine is successful for Putin that countries like that would be next. And one fear Estonians had when I was there was they are too small for the rest of Europe to really care about if/when Russia ever invaded.
holy shit...too bad Russians don't get to see this
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UK sanctions:
All major Russian banks will have their assets frozen and will be excluded from the UK financial system. This will stop them from accessing sterling and clearing payments through the UK. This includes a full and immediate freeze of VTB bank
Legislation will stop major Russian companies and the state from raising finance or borrowing money on UK markets
Asset freezes will be put on 100 new individuals or entities
The Aeroflot airline will be banned from landing in the UK
There will be a suspension of dual use export licences to cover things which can be used for military purposes
Within days the UK will stop exports of hi-tech items and oil refinery equipment
There will be a limit on deposits Russians can make to UK bank accounts
He says there is potential to cut Russia out from Swift payments and "nothing is off the table"
Similar financial sanctions will be extended to Belarus for its role in the assault on Ukraine
The UK will bring forward parts of the economic crime bill before the Easter recess
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I gues NATO was targeted against the USSR and UN was just overall peace, but still seems a little redundant. Both are made of of its members, and any soldiers sent would be soldiers from individual countries.