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mrussel1 said:
Did you thank Xi for his management of the virus. Don't fret, Trump thanked him for you.KP_McMinn said:mrussel1 said:
No, Trump didn't. Did Biden enter any wars? Checking US military casualty count in Ukraine.. oh it's zero. Did any other president preside over the start of a pandemic while praising Xi? Which is worse, the Afghan and Iraq war (started under Bush), or the pandemic? That seems like an easy answer. Was Trump speaking for you when he wrote this tweet?KP_McMinn said:mrussel1 said:
I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.KP_McMinn said:Halifax2TheMax said:
The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?KP_McMinn said:How do you piss off a Conservative? Lie to them.How do you piss off a Liberal? Tell them the truth.
pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no? Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office? I'll wait.
Bush was Iraq, initially. And was necessary following 9/11. Looking back, that was a terrible mistake imo and my heart hurts for all the families of the fallen.... However from 2008-2016, the administration did zero to get out. PLease answer the question, Did Trump enter ANY NEW wars during his term? yes or no. Its a simple question.
"China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American people, I want to thank President Xi!"Merkin Baller said:
This tracks.KP_McMinn said:I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means?
thanks guy....mrussel1 said:
Did you thank Xi for his management of the virus. Don't fret, Trump thanked him for you.KP_McMinn said:mrussel1 said:
No, Trump didn't. Did Biden enter any wars? Checking US military casualty count in Ukraine.. oh it's zero. Did any other president preside over the start of a pandemic while praising Xi? Which is worse, the Afghan and Iraq war (started under Bush), or the pandemic? That seems like an easy answer. Was Trump speaking for you when he wrote this tweet?KP_McMinn said:mrussel1 said:
I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.KP_McMinn said:Halifax2TheMax said:
The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?KP_McMinn said:How do you piss off a Conservative? Lie to them.How do you piss off a Liberal? Tell them the truth.
pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no? Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office? I'll wait.
Bush was Iraq, initially. And was necessary following 9/11. Looking back, that was a terrible mistake imo and my heart hurts for all the families of the fallen.... However from 2008-2016, the administration did zero to get out. PLease answer the question, Did Trump enter ANY NEW wars during his term? yes or no. Its a simple question.
"China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American people, I want to thank President Xi!"Merkin Baller said:
This tracks.KP_McMinn said:I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means?
thanks guy....Dude, he said that on January 24th, 2020, 3 months before it shut THIS country down. What should he have said that early on?Remember when TRUMP stopped International flights from China into the US and he got slammed by the far left mob for it? Trump was right.Remember when Trump was calling it the china flu, and he got slammed by the far left?Remember when he said, "Because it came from Chyna...Chyna". And all the left were offended?pick your battles people....cant have it both ways.0 -
No, that's where you are fundamentally mistaken. Trump is impulsive and foolish. It was foolish to praise Xi and it was foolish to call it the "China virus" because we have citizens who are Chinese in origin and attacks on them escalated significantly during the pandemic. He didn't have to do either of the wild pendulum swings that he did. I can have it both ways because both ways were wrong and show total lack of leadership and thoughtfulness.KP_McMinn said:mrussel1 said:
Did you thank Xi for his management of the virus. Don't fret, Trump thanked him for you.KP_McMinn said:mrussel1 said:
No, Trump didn't. Did Biden enter any wars? Checking US military casualty count in Ukraine.. oh it's zero. Did any other president preside over the start of a pandemic while praising Xi? Which is worse, the Afghan and Iraq war (started under Bush), or the pandemic? That seems like an easy answer. Was Trump speaking for you when he wrote this tweet?KP_McMinn said:mrussel1 said:
I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.KP_McMinn said:Halifax2TheMax said:
The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?KP_McMinn said:How do you piss off a Conservative? Lie to them.How do you piss off a Liberal? Tell them the truth.
pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no? Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office? I'll wait.
Bush was Iraq, initially. And was necessary following 9/11. Looking back, that was a terrible mistake imo and my heart hurts for all the families of the fallen.... However from 2008-2016, the administration did zero to get out. PLease answer the question, Did Trump enter ANY NEW wars during his term? yes or no. Its a simple question.
"China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American people, I want to thank President Xi!"Merkin Baller said:
This tracks.KP_McMinn said:I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means?
thanks guy....mrussel1 said:
Did you thank Xi for his management of the virus. Don't fret, Trump thanked him for you.KP_McMinn said:mrussel1 said:
No, Trump didn't. Did Biden enter any wars? Checking US military casualty count in Ukraine.. oh it's zero. Did any other president preside over the start of a pandemic while praising Xi? Which is worse, the Afghan and Iraq war (started under Bush), or the pandemic? That seems like an easy answer. Was Trump speaking for you when he wrote this tweet?KP_McMinn said:mrussel1 said:
I think you need to go back to Bush, buddy.KP_McMinn said:Halifax2TheMax said:
The truth about what? The number of US combat deaths in Afghanistan that occurred during POOTWH’s four year term? You know, the only POSPOTUS to not have a war?KP_McMinn said:How do you piss off a Conservative? Lie to them.How do you piss off a Liberal? Tell them the truth.
pretty sure those troops were already on the ground from the previous 8 year disastrous administration, no? Did Trump enter any NEW wars while in office? I'll wait.
Bush was Iraq, initially. And was necessary following 9/11. Looking back, that was a terrible mistake imo and my heart hurts for all the families of the fallen.... However from 2008-2016, the administration did zero to get out. PLease answer the question, Did Trump enter ANY NEW wars during his term? yes or no. Its a simple question.
"China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American people, I want to thank President Xi!"Merkin Baller said:
This tracks.KP_McMinn said:I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means?
thanks guy....Dude, he said that on January 24th, 2020, 3 months before it shut THIS country down. What should he have said that early on?Remember when TRUMP stopped International flights from China into the US and he got slammed by the far left mob for it? Trump was right.Remember when Trump was calling it the china flu, and he got slammed by the far left?Remember when he said, "Because it came from Chyna...Chyna". And all the left were offended?pick your battles people....cant have it both ways.0 -
Is $35 insulin putting 'Muricans last? Is not starting any wars and getting out of one, thus far, putting 'Muricans last? How about the 3.6% unemployment rate? Is that putting 'Muricans last? Maybe its the CHIPS Act that puts 'Muricans last? Conversely, is threatening to default on the debt and not forwarding a budget for 'Muricans to review and compare and contrast with the dems, putting 'Muricans last?KP_McMinn said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, you'll have to scroll back through the thread or the closed thread. I've defined it. Second one should be obvious. Google is your friend.KP_McMinn said:I asked you first, please answer and then i will answer you...also, i am sorry, i am a dumb republican, can you pretty please spell out what POOTWH and POSPOTUS means?
Why do you hate "Murica?i actually did try to google those acronyms, unfortunately google doesn't speak stupid. I think i figured out the second one, piece of $hit pres of united states? very clever dude.Why do you think I hate, "Murica"? The only thing i hate about America is that this administration has decided to put its people LAST.What i really hate (strong word) is talking with people who have 0 interest in hearing an opinion that differs from theirs, and who still have TDS.
I'm certain you're interested in honest discussion about these and many other serious issues and will be happy to list the categories and rankings, and what your comparing them to (other countries, by administration, by year or decade, etc.) but I'm afraid you're not interested.
As for differing opinions, opinions are like belly buttons and assholes, everyone's got them. However, I have very little interest in hearing opinions formed from ignorance, misinformation, lies, racist or misogynist believes or in the absence of facts.
POOTWH is currently the repub frontrunner for POTUS in 2024 and if you believe he's the best we have, given the time from 1/20/2017 through 1/20/2021, and everything we knew and know about that POS before and after its time in the WH, indicates to me that you may not be dealing in reality or are not an honest broker of "hearing opinions that differ from yours." As such, I asked you why you hate 'Murica. What is it about POOTWH that makes you think that POS is the best 'Murica has to offer? I'd be happy to discuss policy with you but I'm afraid your side of the aisle has none to discuss.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
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Laughable. Because it was a total page out of the Shrub playbook and trying to ensure Obama didn't get re-elected. Obama called their bluff and Brandon did the same. Now, the repubs think campaigning on pulling out of Afghanistan will sink Brandon's re-election in 2024. Afghanistanwho?Merkin Baller said:
We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
That also tracks.
Reminds me to ask, how's the crisis on the border?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Um, your guy left a lot of Americans over there, like too many....Trump would have NEVER left 1 stranded....Maybe the below article will make more sense to you.....I hope you read it.Merkin Baller said:
We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
Makes perfect sense.
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KP_McMinn said:
Um, your guy left a lot of Americans over there, like too many....Trump would have NEVER left 1 stranded....Maybe the below article will make more sense to you.....I hope you read it.Merkin Baller said:
We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
Makes perfect sense.
Washington times?
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Thanks for sharing the view from the Kremlin. I suggest you read about Neville Chamberlain at some point. It's hilarious that you think Iraq was a necessary war, fought with our own blood for phantom WMDs, but you don't support us protecting a bulwark like Ukraine, who is actually willing to spend their own blood to fight for freedom, against a country who is currently fascist and is aligned with China and Iran. I don't know WTF happened to you 'conservatives'.KP_McMinn said:
Um, your guy left a lot of Americans over there, like too many....Trump would have NEVER left 1 stranded....Maybe the below article will make more sense to you.....I hope you read it.Merkin Baller said:
We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
Makes perfect sense.0 -
They hate being lied to!!!!!!!mrussel1 said:
Thanks for sharing the view from the Kremlin. I suggest you read about Neville Chamberlain at some point. It's hilarious that you think Iraq was a necessary war, fought with our own blood for phantom WMDs, but you don't support us protecting a bulwark like Ukraine, who is actually willing to spend their own blood to fight for freedom, against a country who is currently fascist and is aligned with China and Iran. I don't know WTF happened to you 'conservatives'.KP_McMinn said:
Um, your guy left a lot of Americans over there, like too many....Trump would have NEVER left 1 stranded....Maybe the below article will make more sense to you.....I hope you read it.Merkin Baller said:
We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
Makes perfect sense.0 -
Merkin Baller said:KP_McMinn said:
Um, your guy left a lot of Americans over there, like too many....Trump would have NEVER left 1 stranded....Maybe the below article will make more sense to you.....I hope you read it.Merkin Baller said:
We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
Makes perfect sense.
Washington times?Merkin Baller said:KP_McMinn said:
Um, your guy left a lot of Americans over there, like too many....Trump would have NEVER left 1 stranded....Maybe the below article will make more sense to you.....I hope you read it.Merkin Baller said:
We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
Makes perfect sense.
Washington times?
i mean what do you want me to do?? did you even read it ? you cite cnn, msnbc and worship the chicks on the view...i cite a an article from yes, the very biased WP and its still not good enough.... you are impossible!!
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mrussel1 said:
Thanks for sharing the view from the Kremlin. I suggest you read about Neville Chamberlain at some point. It's hilarious that you think Iraq was a necessary war, fought with our own blood for phantom WMDs, but you don't support us protecting a bulwark like Ukraine, who is actually willing to spend their own blood to fight for freedom, against a country who is currently fascist and is aligned with China and Iran. I don't know WTF happened to you 'conservatives'.KP_McMinn said:
Um, your guy left a lot of Americans over there, like too many....Trump would have NEVER left 1 stranded....Maybe the below article will make more sense to you.....I hope you read it.Merkin Baller said:
We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
Makes perfect sense.
In war, whichever side may call itself the victor, there are no winners, but all are losers. Neville Chamberlain.
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Yeah, how has history treated Neville? Did MAGA learn no lessons from his failures?KP_McMinn said:mrussel1 said:
Thanks for sharing the view from the Kremlin. I suggest you read about Neville Chamberlain at some point. It's hilarious that you think Iraq was a necessary war, fought with our own blood for phantom WMDs, but you don't support us protecting a bulwark like Ukraine, who is actually willing to spend their own blood to fight for freedom, against a country who is currently fascist and is aligned with China and Iran. I don't know WTF happened to you 'conservatives'.KP_McMinn said:
Um, your guy left a lot of Americans over there, like too many....Trump would have NEVER left 1 stranded....Maybe the below article will make more sense to you.....I hope you read it.Merkin Baller said:
We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
Makes perfect sense.
In war, whichever side may call itself the victor, there are no winners, but all are losers. Neville Chamberlain.0 -
Nowhere have i ever cited any of those sources, but by all means, keep making things up.KP_McMinn said:Merkin Baller said:KP_McMinn said:
Um, your guy left a lot of Americans over there, like too many....Trump would have NEVER left 1 stranded....Maybe the below article will make more sense to you.....I hope you read it.Merkin Baller said:
We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
Makes perfect sense.
Washington times?Merkin Baller said:KP_McMinn said:
Um, your guy left a lot of Americans over there, like too many....Trump would have NEVER left 1 stranded....Maybe the below article will make more sense to you.....I hope you read it.Merkin Baller said:
We wanted our troops home from Afghanistan, and our current guy got it done despite the shit show that ensued, but somehow he puts Americans last.
Makes perfect sense.
Washington times?
i mean what do you want me to do?? did you even read it ? you cite cnn, msnbc and worship the chicks on the view...i cite a an article from yes, the very biased WP and its still not good enough.... you are impossible!!
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Was Neville right when he waved the piece of paper and declared we have "peace in our time"?
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I'm sorry did President Trump ever have us on the brink of a nuclear war? Did Putin show any aggression while Trump was in office?Did Trump go to North Korea for and have successful Peace Talks Kim Jong-un?0
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You'll have to remind me where N Korea announced it was disarming.KP_McMinn said:I'm sorry did President Trump ever have us on the brink of a nuclear war? Did Putin show any aggression while Trump was in office?Did Trump go to North Korea for and have successful Peace Talks Kim Jong-un?
"brink of nuclear war" is hysterics. MAD still is prevailing wisdom and Putin can't launch a strike on his own.0 -
This is thrown in everyones face that talks peace and history shows it was mainly BS... but hey Ted Cruz says it, so it must be true...mrussel1 said:Was Neville right when he waved the piece of paper and declared we have "peace in our time"?
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24300094
"The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
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So then you'd be okay with Mexico and Canada and Central American countries joining a military alliance with China and Russia?mrussel1 said:
But Ukraine will not and should (nor should we agree to) promise to never join NATO. That is a total infringement on another country's sovereignty.myoung321 said:
Exactly....Yes both sides will give in any peace talks... First Ukraine will never get Crimea or the Eastern provinces back. Hell their government has been at war with the eastern provinces since 2014.. Those areas really haven't been part of Ukraine since the overthrow (Coup) of the government. Russia will give in the peace talks by stopping aggressive maneuvers further into Ukraine and will probably pull back to an agreed line.mrussel1 said:
Peace talks are great. Most think Ukraine is resigned to losing Crimea and far eastern oblasts that they lost in 2014. But that wasn't enough for Putin. War are you suggesting each side should give?myoung321 said:
I'd preferred we send people for peace talks... more weapons is only helping the weapons manufacturers, but not helping end the war... People need to come to terms, Ukraine cannot win this war...but we will flood them with weapons as long as they're useful for making money for the defense industry. When they aren't useful any longer we will turn our backs and walk away....PJ_Soul said:Poland is sending the Ukraine some fighter jets. It's about time somebody did! I hope more countries follow their lead.
I know I will get hate for that, but the truth is the truth.. The sooner peace talks begin the better for everyone involved..
Ukraine will also have to not become part of NATO... if none of this can be agreed upon then over time Russia will take all of Ukraine and the only thing we can do is start WW3 to stop them. i'm guessing most clear thinking people would not want that... so Ukraine would be sacrificed.
IMHO this peace would probably have already been agreed upon without the meddling and weapons from us..
Ask the Cubans how the US would react....
Your comment of ("nor should we agree to")...first who is this "WE" are you Ukrainian? If you believe this then you think that's worth starting WW3, so Ukraine can be in NATO? if so, WOW.... You do realize that If WW3 started Ukraine will be the first thing wiped off the map...
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Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq,,, (and the Soviets in Afghanistan) all have one thing in common ... They did not capture territory.. we did not advance and capture areas. We ran hit and run get in and get out operations, then back tot he safe zones... and that is not sustainable.. we've proved that. Every day Russia is capturing territory. So comparing it is disingenuous at best.mrussel1 said:myoung321 said:
Exactly....Yes both sides will give in any peace talks... First Ukraine will never get Crimea or the Eastern provinces back. Hell their government has been at war with the eastern provinces since 2014.. Those areas really haven't been part of Ukraine since the overthrow (Coup) of the government. Russia will give in the peace talks by stopping aggressive maneuvers further into Ukraine and will probably pull back to an agreed line.mrussel1 said:
Peace talks are great. Most think Ukraine is resigned to losing Crimea and far eastern oblasts that they lost in 2014. But that wasn't enough for Putin. War are you suggesting each side should give?myoung321 said:
I'd preferred we send people for peace talks... more weapons is only helping the weapons manufacturers, but not helping end the war... People need to come to terms, Ukraine cannot win this war...but we will flood them with weapons as long as they're useful for making money for the defense industry. When they aren't useful any longer we will turn our backs and walk away....PJ_Soul said:Poland is sending the Ukraine some fighter jets. It's about time somebody did! I hope more countries follow their lead.
I know I will get hate for that, but the truth is the truth.. The sooner peace talks begin the better for everyone involved..
Ukraine will also have to not become part of NATO... if none of this can be agreed upon then over time Russia will take all of Ukraine and the only thing we can do is start WW3 to stop them. i'm guessing most clear thinking people would not want that... so Ukraine would be sacrificed.
IMHO this peace would probably have already been agreed upon without the meddling and weapons from us..
If you think Russia will eventually win, I would point you to Vietnam, Afghanistan circa 1980 and Afghanistan circa 2005 as evidence why that is not a foregone conclusion."The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
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War crimes for putin
Arrest warrant out for him. I wonder if he is bothered
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -0
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