I am in disbelief of how 95% of this fanbase has become pro war. You all fell for the propaganda. We forced Ukraine to do our dirty work. This is like the middle east wars except now we are using the people of Ukraine. I cannot believe most of you want US boots on the ground to turn this into WW3. You should all be embarrassed.
You should be embarrassed that you're spewing Kremlin talking points. Want peace? Tell your buddy, Vlad, to get the fuck out of Ukraine.
Maybe Britain and France could covertly give Ukraine some nuclear weapons, say 5 or 6 nuclear cruise missles and get them situated and operational and then let the world know that they have them and are ready to sign the NPT and that they’re for deterrence only. Figure it’s only fair seeing how they gave them up, the treaty was broken and they were invaded anyway. That ought to get everyone’s attention.
Maybe Britain and France could covertly give Ukraine some nuclear weapons, say 5 or 6 nuclear cruise missles and get them situated and operational and then let the world know that they have them and are ready to sign the NPT and that they’re for deterrence only. Figure it’s only fair seeing how they gave them up, the treaty was broken and they were invaded anyway. That ought to get everyone’s attention.
Or putin calls their bluff and half the world dies cuz trump says “do what you want”.
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Trump’s administration of US President plans to revoke the temporary legal status of approximately 240,000 Ukrainians who sought refuge in the country after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine — Reuters
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BREAKING: Trump shuts off intelligence to Ukraine, cutting off data for drones, air attacks, and air defense
This is a clear and direct violation of the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 - in which US gave security guarantee to Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine giving up nukes and ships
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BREAKING: Senior officials from the Trump administration have been holding private meetings with the political opposition of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
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BREAKING: Senior officials from the Trump administration have been holding private meetings with the political opposition of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
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Is the war over yet? Seems this new administration should have ended it by now.
MAGA the pro-russian party....never thought I'd see it.
I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off. I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.
I don't think MAGA is aligned with Obama...while I don't specifically remember that moment, I suspect Obama, like so many Dems just didn't get it. And in 2012, did anyone? Trump is a huge part of Russia being where it is.
MAGA being pro-Russia? I knew I was seeing that in 2016. The GOP being pro-Russia might be what you meant. And yeah, lots of irony there for those of us old enough to remember the Cold War.
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MAGA the pro-russian party....never thought I'd see it.
I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off. I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.
We shoulda listened to Romney.
Obama laughed because they weren’t much of a threat at the time. Only became one after trump entered the chat.
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MAGA the pro-russian party....never thought I'd see it.
I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off. I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.
We shoulda listened to Romney.
Was Obama pro-Russia like MAGA, or did he just not anticipate the way the GOP was going to fall in w/ and support Putin?
MAGA the pro-russian party....never thought I'd see it.
I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off. I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.
We shoulda listened to Romney.
I think aligned is hyperbolic and overstating it.
Obama was wary of Putin, but history has shown he underestimated them, especially in regards to the seeds of this war and Crimea. MAGA and the Trump Admin are bending over backwards to accommodate Russia.
I don't think MAGA is aligned with Obama...while I don't specifically remember that moment, I suspect Obama, like so many Dems just didn't get it. And in 2012, did anyone? Trump is a huge part of Russia being where it is.
MAGA being pro-Russia? I knew I was seeing that in 2016. The GOP being pro-Russia might be what you meant. And yeah, lots of irony there for those of us old enough to remember the Cold War.
Right, you have to look at the state of play in 2009. Dmitry Medvedev was president, as Putin had stepped back. It looked like Russia was liberalizing as Medvedev was considered a pro-western candidate. The Georgian had begun and ended over the course of 16 days in 2008 and the Chechen War was ending.
Maybe Romney was right for the wrong reasons. But I don't agree with the statement that Obama and Maga are aligned. Maga's love of Russia is related to the reactionary, anti-liberalism of the Putin gov't. Their real love is Hungary which is Putin-lite.
MAGA the pro-russian party....never thought I'd see it.
I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off. I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.
We shoulda listened to Romney.
Obama laughed because they weren’t much of a threat at the time. Only became one after trump entered the chat.
Nah they were always a threat...ignoring them is what allowed it to occur. Just not the same kind of threat (military...nukes) at that time.
MAGA the pro-russian party....never thought I'd see it.
I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off. I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.
We shoulda listened to Romney.
Was Obama pro-Russia like MAGA, or did he just not anticipate the way the GOP was going to fall in w/ and support Putin?
Certainly not pro-russia...but he ignored the threat.....not good.
MAGA the pro-russian party....never thought I'd see it.
I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off. I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.
We shoulda listened to Romney.
I think aligned is hyperbolic and overstating it.
Obama was wary of Putin, but history has shown he underestimated them, especially in regards to the seeds of this war and Crimea. MAGA and the Trump Admin are bending over backwards to accommodate Russia.
MAGA the pro-russian party....never thought I'd see it.
I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off. I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.
We shoulda listened to Romney.
Was Obama pro-Russia like MAGA, or did he just not anticipate the way the GOP was going to fall in w/ and support Putin?
Certainly not pro-russia...but he ignored the threat.....not good.
MAGA the pro-russian party....never thought I'd see it.
I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off. I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.
We shoulda listened to Romney.
Was Obama pro-Russia like MAGA, or did he just not anticipate the way the GOP was going to fall in w/ and support Putin?
Certainly not pro-russia...but he ignored the threat.....not good.
As did everyone who voted for trump over Hillary.
Ummmmm yup....which I kinda already said re:MAGA? What's the point?
MAGA the pro-russian party....never thought I'd see it.
I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off. I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.
We shoulda listened to Romney.
Was Obama pro-Russia like MAGA, or did he just not anticipate the way the GOP was going to fall in w/ and support Putin?
Certainly not pro-russia...but he ignored the threat.....not good.
As did everyone who voted for trump over Hillary.
Ummmmm yup....which I kinda already said re:MAGA? What's the point?
Hugh already made the point... Russia wasn't half the threat to America that they would become once they had a GOP candidate for president that's been beholden to them since the '80s.
That's no small detail to gloss over. Should Obama have anticipated that in 2012?
This is like when people say "if Obama wasn't President we never would have gotten Trump" lol and the justification behind it. The mental gymnastics yeesh
Boy is there some whataboutism and Stockholm Syndrome baked into these statements lol
Do tell. I am actually surprised I received several rapid fire responses on this. Obama did laugh off Russia as a threat. And now we have MAGA pretending Russia is the victim instead of the aggressor. We have come a long way from when all Americans (or most anyhow) understood the threat Russia is/was/will be.
My issue is that the statement made it seem that they were apples to apples comparisons, when really its that both are just fruit, to stick with the analogy.
The lack of Obama urgency and seriousness is in no way comparable to what MAGA thinks about Russia or Putin. Obama knew Putin was a threat, but it can also be that Putin pulled back knowing that Obama was a threat to him. Trump was always in Putins corner even before his run in 2015. So Putin got bolder and MAGA got warmer. But the 2 approaches to Russia are in now way similar.
My issue is that the statement made it seem that they were apples to apples comparisons, when really its that both are just fruit, to stick with the analogy.
The lack of Obama urgency and seriousness is in no way comparable to what MAGA thinks about Russia or Putin. Obama knew Putin was a threat, but it can also be that Putin pulled back knowing that Obama was a threat to him. Trump was always in Putins corner even before his run in 2015. So Putin got bolder and MAGA got warmer. But the 2 approachers to Russia are in now way similar.
Yeah wasn't my intent to make the equal in anyway. Just that it is crazy that the MAGA of today aligns more closely with Obama's opinion of Russia in 2012 then it does their own party. Freakin MAGA has changed the GOP from "tear down that wall", to "tear down your neighbors wall and build a condo"
This is like when people say "if Obama wasn't President we never would have gotten Trump" lol and the justification behind it. The mental gymnastics yeesh
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But on April 30, the tables were turned. Trump was the recipient of President Obama’s jokes at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner — and Trump political adviser Roger Stone tells FRONTLINE in The Choice 2016that the dinner was a turning point for Trump.
“I think that is the night he resolves to run for president,” Stone says in the opening scene of FRONTLINE’s two-hour documentary on Trump and Clinton, which premieres on Tues., Sept. 27 at 9 p.m. EST/8 p.m. CST on PBS stations nationwide.
“I think that he is kind of motivated by it: ‘Maybe I’ll just run. Maybe I’ll show them all,’” Stone adds.
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My issue is that the statement made it seem that they were apples to apples comparisons, when really its that both are just fruit, to stick with the analogy.
The lack of Obama urgency and seriousness is in no way comparable to what MAGA thinks about Russia or Putin. Obama knew Putin was a threat, but it can also be that Putin pulled back knowing that Obama was a threat to him. Trump was always in Putins corner even before his run in 2015. So Putin got bolder and MAGA got warmer. But the 2 approachers to Russia are in now way similar.
Yeah wasn't my intent to make the equal in anyway. Just that it is crazy that the MAGA of today aligns more closely with Obama's opinion of Russia in 2012 then it does their own party. Freakin MAGA has changed the GOP from "tear down that wall", to "tear down your neighbors wall and build a condo"
My issue is that the statement made it seem that they were apples to apples comparisons, when really its that both are just fruit, to stick with the analogy.
The lack of Obama urgency and seriousness is in no way comparable to what MAGA thinks about Russia or Putin. Obama knew Putin was a threat, but it can also be that Putin pulled back knowing that Obama was a threat to him. Trump was always in Putins corner even before his run in 2015. So Putin got bolder and MAGA got warmer. But the 2 approachers to Russia are in now way similar.
Yeah wasn't my intent to make the equal in anyway. Just that it is crazy that the MAGA of today aligns more closely with Obama's opinion of Russia in 2012 then it does their own party. Freakin MAGA has changed the GOP from "tear down that wall", to "tear down your neighbors wall and build a condo"
Obama was a Putin sympathizer / apologist?
More closely....sheesh this is tiring. MAGA are Putin apologist....that is clsoer to Obama thinking Russia isn't an adversary vs Romney GOP position at the time that they are the biggest threat to the USA. Regardless, I'm done here.
My issue is that the statement made it seem that they were apples to apples comparisons, when really its that both are just fruit, to stick with the analogy.
The lack of Obama urgency and seriousness is in no way comparable to what MAGA thinks about Russia or Putin. Obama knew Putin was a threat, but it can also be that Putin pulled back knowing that Obama was a threat to him. Trump was always in Putins corner even before his run in 2015. So Putin got bolder and MAGA got warmer. But the 2 approachers to Russia are in now way similar.
Yeah wasn't my intent to make the equal in anyway. Just that it is crazy that the MAGA of today aligns more closely with Obama's opinion of Russia in 2012 then it does their own party. Freakin MAGA has changed the GOP from "tear down that wall", to "tear down your neighbors wall and build a condo"
Obama was a Putin sympathizer / apologist?
More closely....sheesh this is tiring. MAGA are Putin apologist....that is clsoer to Obama thinking Russia isn't an adversary vs Romney GOP position at the time that they are the biggest threat to the USA. Regardless, I'm done here.
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This is a clear and direct violation of the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 - in which US gave security guarantee to Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine giving up nukes and ships
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I keep going back to Obama debating Romney....Romney saying Russia was the biggest threat to the USA and Obama laughing him off. I never thought that MAGA and Obama would be aligned.
We shoulda listened to Romney.
MAGA being pro-Russia? I knew I was seeing that in 2016. The GOP being pro-Russia might be what you meant. And yeah, lots of irony there for those of us old enough to remember the Cold War.
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Obama was wary of Putin, but history has shown he underestimated them, especially in regards to the seeds of this war and Crimea. MAGA and the Trump Admin are bending over backwards to accommodate Russia.
Maybe Romney was right for the wrong reasons. But I don't agree with the statement that Obama and Maga are aligned. Maga's love of Russia is related to the reactionary, anti-liberalism of the Putin gov't. Their real love is Hungary which is Putin-lite.
That's no small detail to gloss over. Should Obama have anticipated that in 2012?
The lack of Obama urgency and seriousness is in no way comparable to what MAGA thinks about Russia or Putin. Obama knew Putin was a threat, but it can also be that Putin pulled back knowing that Obama was a threat to him. Trump was always in Putins corner even before his run in 2015. So Putin got bolder and MAGA got warmer. But the 2 approaches to Russia are in now way similar.
But on April 30, the tables were turned. Trump was the recipient of President Obama’s jokes at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner — and Trump political adviser Roger Stone tells FRONTLINE in The Choice 2016that the dinner was a turning point for Trump.
“I think that is the night he resolves to run for president,” Stone says in the opening scene of FRONTLINE’s two-hour documentary on Trump and Clinton, which premieres on Tues., Sept. 27 at 9 p.m. EST/8 p.m. CST on PBS stations nationwide.
“I think that he is kind of motivated by it: ‘Maybe I’ll just run. Maybe I’ll show them all,’” Stone adds.
…definitely maybe.
That doesn't make it Obama's fault.
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