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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,143
    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
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    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
    Yea, I wonder what the “climate” was that President Biden “created?” Seeing Putin on the ritz for what he is? A former KGB agent turned kleptocrat extraordinaire?

    If you want to place blame for creating a “climate” where this is acceptable, look no further than Darth Cheney, Wolfawitz, Rummy and the neocons, and their invasion of Iraq under false pretenses.
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    Honestly, shouldn't we be able to demand more of people listening to Pearl Jam than to blame Putin's actions on Joe Biden?

    Seriously?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,811
    Honestly, shouldn't we be able to demand more of people listening to Pearl Jam than to blame Putin's actions on Joe Biden?

    Seriously?
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,470
    edited February 2022
    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
    I don't know why the Biden thread got shut down but the last guy's reasons for why it's Biden's fault are ridiculous. Thought it was funny that, according to him, Biden is to blame because we are no longer energy independent. He said this literally 4 days after this tidbit of news came out lol:

    https://www.axios.com/us-energy-independent-petroleum-2982ed18-9110-4c31-ad67-82abe643f661.html

    The U.S. is now energy independent

    Data Energy Information Administration Chart Axios Visuals
    Data: Energy Information Administration. Chart: Axios Visuals

    For decades, politicians have talked about the U.S. achieving energy independence, a seemingly elusive goal of producing enough fuels to avoid relying on the rest of the world to fill up gas tanks and keep electricity flowing.

    The intrigue: It's elusive no more. The U.S. produced more petroleum than it consumed in 2020, and the numbers were essentially in balance in 2021, according to the Energy Information Administration.

    Why it matters: The surge in oil prices taking place in 2022 has radically different implications for the U.S. economy — and for key geopolitical relationships in the Middle East and Russia — than in past episodes when energy prices have risen.

    The big picture: In the past, when oil prices spiked, the impact on the U.S. economy was straightforward: It made America poorer, as more of our income went overseas to pay for imported energy.

    • Now, after the shale gas revolution of the last 15 years, the impact is more subtle. Higher fuel prices disadvantage consumers and energy-intensive industries, yes. But there is a counteracting surge in incomes for domestic energy producers and their workers.
    • Higher oil prices no longer depress overall measures of prosperity like GDP and national income, but rather shift it around toward certain regions. Texas and North Dakota win; Massachusetts and North Carolina lose.

    By the numbers: As recently as 2010, America imported 9.4 million barrels a day of oil more than it exported. That had swung to a 650,000 barrel per day surplus in 2020, and preliminary numbers for 2021 show trade pretty much in balance last year.

    Worth noting: To the degree the U.S. does still import oil, more of it is coming from our closest ally. Canada was the source of 51% of U.S. petroleum imports in the first 10 months of 2021, compared with 8% from the Persian Gulf.

    • By contrast, the Gulf states supplied more than 30% of American petroleum imports in 2008.

    Free idea for an international relations professor: Assign an essay question on how the changing economics of energy could affect America's stance in Middle Eastern diplomacy.

    The impact on geopolitics extends to a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Disruptions to European energy supplies would have a less direct effect on the U.S. than they might have in an earlier era.

    The bottom line: When oil prices spike, it's no longer a problem for overall growth—but because energy is a global market, it still means pain for American consumers and the sitting administration.

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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,152
    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
    I don't know why the Biden thread got shut down but the last guy's reasons for why it's Biden's fault are ridiculous. Thought it was funny that, according to him, Biden is to blame because we are no longer energy independent. He said this literally 4 days after this tidbit of news came out lol:

    https://www.axios.com/us-energy-independent-petroleum-2982ed18-9110-4c31-ad67-82abe643f661.html

    The U.S. is now energy independent

    Data Energy Information Administration Chart Axios Visuals
    Data: Energy Information Administration. Chart: Axios Visuals

    For decades, politicians have talked about the U.S. achieving energy independence, a seemingly elusive goal of producing enough fuels to avoid relying on the rest of the world to fill up gas tanks and keep electricity flowing.

    The intrigue: It's elusive no more. The U.S. produced more petroleum than it consumed in 2020, and the numbers were essentially in balance in 2021, according to the Energy Information Administration.

    Why it matters: The surge in oil prices taking place in 2022 has radically different implications for the U.S. economy — and for key geopolitical relationships in the Middle East and Russia — than in past episodes when energy prices have risen.

    The big picture: In the past, when oil prices spiked, the impact on the U.S. economy was straightforward: It made America poorer, as more of our income went overseas to pay for imported energy.

    • Now, after the shale gas revolution of the last 15 years, the impact is more subtle. Higher fuel prices disadvantage consumers and energy-intensive industries, yes. But there is a counteracting surge in incomes for domestic energy producers and their workers.
    • Higher oil prices no longer depress overall measures of prosperity like GDP and national income, but rather shift it around toward certain regions. Texas and North Dakota win; Massachusetts and North Carolina lose.

    By the numbers: As recently as 2010, America imported 9.4 million barrels a day of oil more than it exported. That had swung to a 650,000 barrel per day surplus in 2020, and preliminary numbers for 2021 show trade pretty much in balance last year.

    Worth noting: To the degree the U.S. does still import oil, more of it is coming from our closest ally. Canada was the source of 51% of U.S. petroleum imports in the first 10 months of 2021, compared with 8% from the Persian Gulf.

    • By contrast, the Gulf states supplied more than 30% of American petroleum imports in 2008.

    Free idea for an international relations professor: Assign an essay question on how the changing economics of energy could affect America's stance in Middle Eastern diplomacy.

    The impact on geopolitics extends to a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Disruptions to European energy supplies would have a less direct effect on the U.S. than they might have in an earlier era.

    The bottom line: When oil prices spike, it's no longer a problem for overall growth—but because energy is a global market, it still means pain for American consumers and the sitting administration.

    Biden is beholden to his leftist powers that be.  When he begged opec to produce more oil for us back at the end of last summer when our prices here soared they told him to pound sand and get it from our vast country full of opportunity.  Why didn’t he listen?

    Instead he doubled what we get from Saudi arabia from December of 2020 to October of 2021 and tripled the oil from Russia from what we were importing from February 2019 to September 2021!!

    In May of last year, Biden increased by 23 percent to 844,000 barrels a day from the prior month, which was almost 10 percent of all our oil imports for the month. The only country we import more oil from is Canada.

     Exactly why are we importing and dependant on such an adversary?

    if he wasn’t so owned by his handlers, we wouldn’t be sending 30million a month to fuel putin’s insanity.

    add to that Biden’s comment on not going hard on Russia back in December “ “If in fact he invades Ukraine, there will be…economic consequences like none he’s ever
    seen…His immediate response was he understood that…The idea the United States is going to unilaterally use force to confront Russia invading Ukraine is not in the cards right now."


    And you have what we have now.  He showed his hand (a weak telegraph that we weren’t going to stop Putin)
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,811
    edited February 2022
    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
    I don't know why the Biden thread got shut down but the last guy's reasons for why it's Biden's fault are ridiculous. Thought it was funny that, according to him, Biden is to blame because we are no longer energy independent. He said this literally 4 days after this tidbit of news came out lol:

    https://www.axios.com/us-energy-independent-petroleum-2982ed18-9110-4c31-ad67-82abe643f661.html

    The U.S. is now energy independent

    Data Energy Information Administration Chart Axios Visuals
    Data: Energy Information Administration. Chart: Axios Visuals

    For decades, politicians have talked about the U.S. achieving energy independence, a seemingly elusive goal of producing enough fuels to avoid relying on the rest of the world to fill up gas tanks and keep electricity flowing.

    The intrigue: It's elusive no more. The U.S. produced more petroleum than it consumed in 2020, and the numbers were essentially in balance in 2021, according to the Energy Information Administration.

    Why it matters: The surge in oil prices taking place in 2022 has radically different implications for the U.S. economy — and for key geopolitical relationships in the Middle East and Russia — than in past episodes when energy prices have risen.

    The big picture: In the past, when oil prices spiked, the impact on the U.S. economy was straightforward: It made America poorer, as more of our income went overseas to pay for imported energy.

    • Now, after the shale gas revolution of the last 15 years, the impact is more subtle. Higher fuel prices disadvantage consumers and energy-intensive industries, yes. But there is a counteracting surge in incomes for domestic energy producers and their workers.
    • Higher oil prices no longer depress overall measures of prosperity like GDP and national income, but rather shift it around toward certain regions. Texas and North Dakota win; Massachusetts and North Carolina lose.

    By the numbers: As recently as 2010, America imported 9.4 million barrels a day of oil more than it exported. That had swung to a 650,000 barrel per day surplus in 2020, and preliminary numbers for 2021 show trade pretty much in balance last year.

    Worth noting: To the degree the U.S. does still import oil, more of it is coming from our closest ally. Canada was the source of 51% of U.S. petroleum imports in the first 10 months of 2021, compared with 8% from the Persian Gulf.

    • By contrast, the Gulf states supplied more than 30% of American petroleum imports in 2008.

    Free idea for an international relations professor: Assign an essay question on how the changing economics of energy could affect America's stance in Middle Eastern diplomacy.

    The impact on geopolitics extends to a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Disruptions to European energy supplies would have a less direct effect on the U.S. than they might have in an earlier era.

    The bottom line: When oil prices spike, it's no longer a problem for overall growth—but because energy is a global market, it still means pain for American consumers and the sitting administration.

    Biden is beholden to his leftist powers that be.  When he begged opec to produce more oil for us back at the end of last summer when our prices here soared they told him to pound sand and get it from our vast country full of opportunity.  Why didn’t he listen?

    Instead he doubled what we get from Saudi arabia from December of 2020 to October of 2021 and tripled the oil from Russia from what we were importing from February 2019 to September 2021!!

    In May of last year, Biden increased by 23 percent to 844,000 barrels a day from the prior month, which was almost 10 percent of all our oil imports for the month. The only country we import more oil from is Canada.

     Exactly why are we importing and dependant on such an adversary?

    if he wasn’t so owned by his handlers, we wouldn’t be sending 30million a month to fuel putin’s insanity.

    add to that Biden’s comment on not going hard on Russia back in December “ “If in fact he invades Ukraine, there will be…economic consequences like none he’s ever
    seen…His immediate response was he understood that…The idea the United States is going to unilaterally use force to confront Russia invading Ukraine is not in the cards right now."

    And you have what we have now.  He showed his hand (a weak telegraph that we weren’t going to stop Putin)
    Dude.  The federal gov't does not control how much oil is produced.  The US oil companies CHOSE to shut down rigs and wells throughout 2020 and 2021.  Why do you Republicans have this misconception that Biden or ANY president has control over oil production.  Stop with this argument.  It's wrong.  
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,470
    edited February 2022
    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
    I don't know why the Biden thread got shut down but the last guy's reasons for why it's Biden's fault are ridiculous. Thought it was funny that, according to him, Biden is to blame because we are no longer energy independent. He said this literally 4 days after this tidbit of news came out lol:

    https://www.axios.com/us-energy-independent-petroleum-2982ed18-9110-4c31-ad67-82abe643f661.html

    The U.S. is now energy independent

    Data Energy Information Administration Chart Axios Visuals
    Data: Energy Information Administration. Chart: Axios Visuals

    For decades, politicians have talked about the U.S. achieving energy independence, a seemingly elusive goal of producing enough fuels to avoid relying on the rest of the world to fill up gas tanks and keep electricity flowing.

    The intrigue: It's elusive no more. The U.S. produced more petroleum than it consumed in 2020, and the numbers were essentially in balance in 2021, according to the Energy Information Administration.

    Why it matters: The surge in oil prices taking place in 2022 has radically different implications for the U.S. economy — and for key geopolitical relationships in the Middle East and Russia — than in past episodes when energy prices have risen.

    The big picture: In the past, when oil prices spiked, the impact on the U.S. economy was straightforward: It made America poorer, as more of our income went overseas to pay for imported energy.

    • Now, after the shale gas revolution of the last 15 years, the impact is more subtle. Higher fuel prices disadvantage consumers and energy-intensive industries, yes. But there is a counteracting surge in incomes for domestic energy producers and their workers.
    • Higher oil prices no longer depress overall measures of prosperity like GDP and national income, but rather shift it around toward certain regions. Texas and North Dakota win; Massachusetts and North Carolina lose.

    By the numbers: As recently as 2010, America imported 9.4 million barrels a day of oil more than it exported. That had swung to a 650,000 barrel per day surplus in 2020, and preliminary numbers for 2021 show trade pretty much in balance last year.

    Worth noting: To the degree the U.S. does still import oil, more of it is coming from our closest ally. Canada was the source of 51% of U.S. petroleum imports in the first 10 months of 2021, compared with 8% from the Persian Gulf.

    • By contrast, the Gulf states supplied more than 30% of American petroleum imports in 2008.

    Free idea for an international relations professor: Assign an essay question on how the changing economics of energy could affect America's stance in Middle Eastern diplomacy.

    The impact on geopolitics extends to a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Disruptions to European energy supplies would have a less direct effect on the U.S. than they might have in an earlier era.

    The bottom line: When oil prices spike, it's no longer a problem for overall growth—but because energy is a global market, it still means pain for American consumers and the sitting administration.

    Biden is beholden to his leftist powers that be.  When he begged opec to produce more oil for us back at the end of last summer when our prices here soared they told him to pound sand and get it from our vast country full of opportunity.  Why didn’t he listen?

    Instead he doubled what we get from Saudi arabia from December of 2020 to October of 2021 and tripled the oil from Russia from what we were importing from February 2019 to September 2021!!

    In May of last year, Biden increased by 23 percent to 844,000 barrels a day from the prior month, which was almost 10 percent of all our oil imports for the month. The only country we import more oil from is Canada.

     Exactly why are we importing and dependant on such an adversary?

    if he wasn’t so owned by his handlers, we wouldn’t be sending 30million a month to fuel putin’s insanity.

    add to that Biden’s comment on not going hard on Russia back in December “ “If in fact he invades Ukraine, there will be…economic consequences like none he’s ever
    seen…His immediate response was he understood that…The idea the United States is going to unilaterally use force to confront Russia invading Ukraine is not in the cards right now."

    And you have what we have now.  He showed his hand (a weak telegraph that we weren’t going to stop Putin)
    Is this a riddle? It reads as if you cut and pasted pieces of multiple articles into this one post. Links please, if you'd like to have a discussion.

    Also, so this whole Russia/Ukraine thing isn't a distraction for your Durham investigation anymore? lol. Because that is all your right wing media talked about last week until Bull Durham made his clarification. Now, apparently, this is a real conflict but it's all Joe Biden's fault. Phew---all that pivoting can be confusing....hence the republicans current messaging problem. 
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    edited February 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
    I don't know why the Biden thread got shut down but the last guy's reasons for why it's Biden's fault are ridiculous. Thought it was funny that, according to him, Biden is to blame because we are no longer energy independent. He said this literally 4 days after this tidbit of news came out lol:

    https://www.axios.com/us-energy-independent-petroleum-2982ed18-9110-4c31-ad67-82abe643f661.html

    The U.S. is now energy independent

    Data Energy Information Administration Chart Axios Visuals
    Data: Energy Information Administration. Chart: Axios Visuals

    For decades, politicians have talked about the U.S. achieving energy independence, a seemingly elusive goal of producing enough fuels to avoid relying on the rest of the world to fill up gas tanks and keep electricity flowing.

    The intrigue: It's elusive no more. The U.S. produced more petroleum than it consumed in 2020, and the numbers were essentially in balance in 2021, according to the Energy Information Administration.

    Why it matters: The surge in oil prices taking place in 2022 has radically different implications for the U.S. economy — and for key geopolitical relationships in the Middle East and Russia — than in past episodes when energy prices have risen.

    The big picture: In the past, when oil prices spiked, the impact on the U.S. economy was straightforward: It made America poorer, as more of our income went overseas to pay for imported energy.

    • Now, after the shale gas revolution of the last 15 years, the impact is more subtle. Higher fuel prices disadvantage consumers and energy-intensive industries, yes. But there is a counteracting surge in incomes for domestic energy producers and their workers.
    • Higher oil prices no longer depress overall measures of prosperity like GDP and national income, but rather shift it around toward certain regions. Texas and North Dakota win; Massachusetts and North Carolina lose.

    By the numbers: As recently as 2010, America imported 9.4 million barrels a day of oil more than it exported. That had swung to a 650,000 barrel per day surplus in 2020, and preliminary numbers for 2021 show trade pretty much in balance last year.

    Worth noting: To the degree the U.S. does still import oil, more of it is coming from our closest ally. Canada was the source of 51% of U.S. petroleum imports in the first 10 months of 2021, compared with 8% from the Persian Gulf.

    • By contrast, the Gulf states supplied more than 30% of American petroleum imports in 2008.

    Free idea for an international relations professor: Assign an essay question on how the changing economics of energy could affect America's stance in Middle Eastern diplomacy.

    The impact on geopolitics extends to a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Disruptions to European energy supplies would have a less direct effect on the U.S. than they might have in an earlier era.

    The bottom line: When oil prices spike, it's no longer a problem for overall growth—but because energy is a global market, it still means pain for American consumers and the sitting administration.

    Biden is beholden to his leftist powers that be.  When he begged opec to produce more oil for us back at the end of last summer when our prices here soared they told him to pound sand and get it from our vast country full of opportunity.  Why didn’t he listen?

    Instead he doubled what we get from Saudi arabia from December of 2020 to October of 2021 and tripled the oil from Russia from what we were importing from February 2019 to September 2021!!

    In May of last year, Biden increased by 23 percent to 844,000 barrels a day from the prior month, which was almost 10 percent of all our oil imports for the month. The only country we import more oil from is Canada.

     Exactly why are we importing and dependant on such an adversary?

    if he wasn’t so owned by his handlers, we wouldn’t be sending 30million a month to fuel putin’s insanity.

    add to that Biden’s comment on not going hard on Russia back in December “ “If in fact he invades Ukraine, there will be…economic consequences like none he’s ever
    seen…His immediate response was he understood that…The idea the United States is going to unilaterally use force to confront Russia invading Ukraine is not in the cards right now."

    And you have what we have now.  He showed his hand (a weak telegraph that we weren’t going to stop Putin)
    Dude.  The federal gov't does not control how much oil is produced.  The US oil companies CHOSE to shut down rigs and wells throughout 2020 and 2021.  Why do you Republicans have this misconception that Biden or ANY president has control over oil production.  Stop with this argument.  It's wrong.  
    I think they have a hard time believing that the oil companies that are supposed to be on their side would choose to manipulate markets to extract more profits from the AMERICAN consumer.  Much easier to blame Biden.  Which begs the question, Are oil companies purposely underproducing to make Biden look bad so they can help usher in a more energy friendly administration?  Probably.
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    mrussel1 said:
    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
    I don't know why the Biden thread got shut down but the last guy's reasons for why it's Biden's fault are ridiculous. Thought it was funny that, according to him, Biden is to blame because we are no longer energy independent. He said this literally 4 days after this tidbit of news came out lol:

    https://www.axios.com/us-energy-independent-petroleum-2982ed18-9110-4c31-ad67-82abe643f661.html

    The U.S. is now energy independent

    Data Energy Information Administration Chart Axios Visuals
    Data: Energy Information Administration. Chart: Axios Visuals

    For decades, politicians have talked about the U.S. achieving energy independence, a seemingly elusive goal of producing enough fuels to avoid relying on the rest of the world to fill up gas tanks and keep electricity flowing.

    The intrigue: It's elusive no more. The U.S. produced more petroleum than it consumed in 2020, and the numbers were essentially in balance in 2021, according to the Energy Information Administration.

    Why it matters: The surge in oil prices taking place in 2022 has radically different implications for the U.S. economy — and for key geopolitical relationships in the Middle East and Russia — than in past episodes when energy prices have risen.

    The big picture: In the past, when oil prices spiked, the impact on the U.S. economy was straightforward: It made America poorer, as more of our income went overseas to pay for imported energy.

    • Now, after the shale gas revolution of the last 15 years, the impact is more subtle. Higher fuel prices disadvantage consumers and energy-intensive industries, yes. But there is a counteracting surge in incomes for domestic energy producers and their workers.
    • Higher oil prices no longer depress overall measures of prosperity like GDP and national income, but rather shift it around toward certain regions. Texas and North Dakota win; Massachusetts and North Carolina lose.

    By the numbers: As recently as 2010, America imported 9.4 million barrels a day of oil more than it exported. That had swung to a 650,000 barrel per day surplus in 2020, and preliminary numbers for 2021 show trade pretty much in balance last year.

    Worth noting: To the degree the U.S. does still import oil, more of it is coming from our closest ally. Canada was the source of 51% of U.S. petroleum imports in the first 10 months of 2021, compared with 8% from the Persian Gulf.

    • By contrast, the Gulf states supplied more than 30% of American petroleum imports in 2008.

    Free idea for an international relations professor: Assign an essay question on how the changing economics of energy could affect America's stance in Middle Eastern diplomacy.

    The impact on geopolitics extends to a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Disruptions to European energy supplies would have a less direct effect on the U.S. than they might have in an earlier era.

    The bottom line: When oil prices spike, it's no longer a problem for overall growth—but because energy is a global market, it still means pain for American consumers and the sitting administration.

    Biden is beholden to his leftist powers that be.  When he begged opec to produce more oil for us back at the end of last summer when our prices here soared they told him to pound sand and get it from our vast country full of opportunity.  Why didn’t he listen?

    Instead he doubled what we get from Saudi arabia from December of 2020 to October of 2021 and tripled the oil from Russia from what we were importing from February 2019 to September 2021!!

    In May of last year, Biden increased by 23 percent to 844,000 barrels a day from the prior month, which was almost 10 percent of all our oil imports for the month. The only country we import more oil from is Canada.

     Exactly why are we importing and dependant on such an adversary?

    if he wasn’t so owned by his handlers, we wouldn’t be sending 30million a month to fuel putin’s insanity.

    add to that Biden’s comment on not going hard on Russia back in December “ “If in fact he invades Ukraine, there will be…economic consequences like none he’s ever
    seen…His immediate response was he understood that…The idea the United States is going to unilaterally use force to confront Russia invading Ukraine is not in the cards right now."

    And you have what we have now.  He showed his hand (a weak telegraph that we weren’t going to stop Putin)
    Dude.  The federal gov't does not control how much oil is produced.  The US oil companies CHOSE to shut down rigs and wells throughout 2020 and 2021.  Why do you Republicans have this misconception that Biden or ANY president has control over oil production.  Stop with this argument.  It's wrong.  
    As is thinking the US would get into a hot war with a nuclear armed rival over Ukraine. The repub arguments are nonsense.

    In the past, pre-POOTWH, the opposition would either STFU, offer tepid support or be wholly onboard. POTUS has large leeway as CIC and as such, had typically been given the benefit of the doubt regarding foreign conflicts, particularly prior to the bullets flying and the bombs dropping. What Fucker Carlson, faux news and some of the elected repubs are doing with their comments is supporting Putin on the ritz. At least Cancun Ted Crud gets it.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,811
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    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
    I don't know why the Biden thread got shut down but the last guy's reasons for why it's Biden's fault are ridiculous. Thought it was funny that, according to him, Biden is to blame because we are no longer energy independent. He said this literally 4 days after this tidbit of news came out lol:

    https://www.axios.com/us-energy-independent-petroleum-2982ed18-9110-4c31-ad67-82abe643f661.html

    The U.S. is now energy independent

    Data Energy Information Administration Chart Axios Visuals
    Data: Energy Information Administration. Chart: Axios Visuals

    For decades, politicians have talked about the U.S. achieving energy independence, a seemingly elusive goal of producing enough fuels to avoid relying on the rest of the world to fill up gas tanks and keep electricity flowing.

    The intrigue: It's elusive no more. The U.S. produced more petroleum than it consumed in 2020, and the numbers were essentially in balance in 2021, according to the Energy Information Administration.

    Why it matters: The surge in oil prices taking place in 2022 has radically different implications for the U.S. economy — and for key geopolitical relationships in the Middle East and Russia — than in past episodes when energy prices have risen.

    The big picture: In the past, when oil prices spiked, the impact on the U.S. economy was straightforward: It made America poorer, as more of our income went overseas to pay for imported energy.

    • Now, after the shale gas revolution of the last 15 years, the impact is more subtle. Higher fuel prices disadvantage consumers and energy-intensive industries, yes. But there is a counteracting surge in incomes for domestic energy producers and their workers.
    • Higher oil prices no longer depress overall measures of prosperity like GDP and national income, but rather shift it around toward certain regions. Texas and North Dakota win; Massachusetts and North Carolina lose.

    By the numbers: As recently as 2010, America imported 9.4 million barrels a day of oil more than it exported. That had swung to a 650,000 barrel per day surplus in 2020, and preliminary numbers for 2021 show trade pretty much in balance last year.

    Worth noting: To the degree the U.S. does still import oil, more of it is coming from our closest ally. Canada was the source of 51% of U.S. petroleum imports in the first 10 months of 2021, compared with 8% from the Persian Gulf.

    • By contrast, the Gulf states supplied more than 30% of American petroleum imports in 2008.

    Free idea for an international relations professor: Assign an essay question on how the changing economics of energy could affect America's stance in Middle Eastern diplomacy.

    The impact on geopolitics extends to a potential Russian invasion of Ukraine. Disruptions to European energy supplies would have a less direct effect on the U.S. than they might have in an earlier era.

    The bottom line: When oil prices spike, it's no longer a problem for overall growth—but because energy is a global market, it still means pain for American consumers and the sitting administration.

    Biden is beholden to his leftist powers that be.  When he begged opec to produce more oil for us back at the end of last summer when our prices here soared they told him to pound sand and get it from our vast country full of opportunity.  Why didn’t he listen?

    Instead he doubled what we get from Saudi arabia from December of 2020 to October of 2021 and tripled the oil from Russia from what we were importing from February 2019 to September 2021!!

    In May of last year, Biden increased by 23 percent to 844,000 barrels a day from the prior month, which was almost 10 percent of all our oil imports for the month. The only country we import more oil from is Canada.

     Exactly why are we importing and dependant on such an adversary?

    if he wasn’t so owned by his handlers, we wouldn’t be sending 30million a month to fuel putin’s insanity.

    add to that Biden’s comment on not going hard on Russia back in December “ “If in fact he invades Ukraine, there will be…economic consequences like none he’s ever
    seen…His immediate response was he understood that…The idea the United States is going to unilaterally use force to confront Russia invading Ukraine is not in the cards right now."

    And you have what we have now.  He showed his hand (a weak telegraph that we weren’t going to stop Putin)
    Dude.  The federal gov't does not control how much oil is produced.  The US oil companies CHOSE to shut down rigs and wells throughout 2020 and 2021.  Why do you Republicans have this misconception that Biden or ANY president has control over oil production.  Stop with this argument.  It's wrong.  
    I think they have a hard time believing that the oil companies that are supposed to be on their side would choose to manipulate markets to extract more profits from the AMERICAN consumer.  Much easier to blame Biden.  Which begs the question, Are oil companies purposely underproducing to make Biden look bad so they can help usher in a more energy friendly administration?  Probably.
    Honestly, I am not as cynical about business decisions as you are.  These are publicly traded companies who have major shareholders that scrutinize their decisions with their own analysts.  They are going to optimize profits.  Sometimes that means drilling more, sometimes that means shutting down rigs and producing less.  I believe they are economically rational.  But they can't turn on a dime either.  It takes months to ramp up production.  The OPEC states are more efficient because they have deeper reserves. 
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,457
    Ridiculous to blame Biden for Putin's bullshit. If anything Putin is doing this to hurt Biden in hopes that puppetboy will get back in office.
    Bingo! 
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,831
    Gotta say this thread reached it's peak a few days ago, haha, and now - especially I guess because the Biden thread got locked - that this, too, will be run into the ground very soon. Just amazing.
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    JT167846JT167846 Posts: 859
    Russia just invaded. Here we go.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,304
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    Some of those earlier tweets were spot on.


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    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The only good thing I see in any of this concerning China is that they’re up to their balls in omicron from the virus they themselves created right now, so the timing isn’t ideal for them to invade Taiwan.  I don’t think that means they won’t, but maybe it hampers their plans a bit?
    Yikes for the second time in 24h
    Yikes, sorry I agree with the majority of Americans. You do know that most Americans believe that it leaked from a lab right? Count me in with the rest of them. 


    But for thread integrity, i just watched the tucker thing you guys are talking about, and he’s not siding with Putin, he’s just anti democrat/Biden the whole time.

     “If you’ve been watching the news, you know that Putin is having a border dispute with a nation called Ukraine. Now, the main thing to know about Ukraine for our purposes is that its leaders once sent millions of dollars to Biden’s family. Not surprisingly, Ukraine is now one of Biden’s favorite countries. Biden has pledged to defend Ukraine’s borders even as he opens our borders to the world. That’s how it works. Invading America is called equity. Invading Ukraine is a war crime.”

    He’s saying the narrative that we need to protect Ukraine because Ukraine is a democracy isnt true, as the Ukrainian president has a habit of arresting his political opponents and shutting down news outlets that are critical of him. By all accounts, Ukraine is a tyrannical state, but because Biden is linked with them, the narrative is that they need protection.


    IMO, he’s saying it might be good for Biden but bad for Americans, and while Biden has admitted this fact, we’re being told that denying Putin Ukraine on moral grounds is the greater victory:

     Energy prices in the United States are about to go way up, and that means that everything you buy will become much more expensive, from the food you eat to the car you drive to the tickets you need to take your family on vacation this summer, assuming you can still afford a vacation by then. You’re about to become measurably poorer. That’s not a guess. Joe Biden has admitted this. 

    On the other hand, you’re going to win an important moral victory against dastardly old Vladimir Putin, who is much, much worse than Justin Trudeau. Just so you know. So you can feel good about that because…because…let’s see, come to think of it, why would you feel good about that? It seems like a pretty terrible deal for you and for the United States. Hunter Biden gets a million dollars a year from Ukraine, but you can no longer afford to go out to dinner. That’s not a bargain.”





    What pizza pie you coming up with to celebrate Russian aggression again? 
    C'mon guys.. Rollmodels is playing fair.  Let's keep the debate going. 
    Ok ok so maybe an antipasto 🤣🤣 ok I’ll bow out of the thread that somehow finds Americans cheering for a killer dictatorship!
    Who is cheering for a killer dictatorship?
    Anyone who voted for Trump.
    Not me, more like Praying for the Ukrainian people and hoping Biden is up for the task of leading America and pretty much the whole free world through this mess.  


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    Putin announces Ukraine military operation, explosions heard
    By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, DASHA LITVINOVA, YURAS KARMANAU and JIM HEINTZ
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    MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday announced a military operation in Ukraine and warned other countries that any attempt to interfere with the Russian action would lead to “consequences you have never seen.”

    He said the attack was needed to protect civilians in eastern Ukraine — a claim the U.S. had predicted he would falsely make to justify an invasion.

    In a televised address, Putin accused the U.S. and its allies of ignoring Russia’s demand to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO and offer Moscow security guarantees. He said Russia doesn't intend to occupy Ukraine but will move to “demilitarize” it and bring those who committed crimes to justice.

    As Putin spoke before dawn, big explosions were heard in Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa and other cities across Ukraine.

    U.S. President Joe Biden in a written statement condemned the “unprovoked and unjustified attack” on Ukraine and he promised that the U.S. and its allies “will hold Russia accountable.” Biden said he planned to speak to Americans on Thursday after a meeting of the Group of Seven leaders. More sanctions against Russia were expected to be announced Thursday.


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    Sounding more and more like Putin on the ritz is slipping, maybe a little too much self isolation, perhaps unstable. Rambling one hour excuse to invade to eradicate the Nazis ruling Ukraine and the justification not aligning with reality. Who does that remind you of? Savvy.
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    How is it that certain unhinged lunatics like P***n and T***P (I can't even say their names anymore) can get away with wrecking so much havoc on this world?  Everybody on this planet who gets it about how screwed up those two whatevers (I won't call them "animals", no way would I slight the animal kingdom that way) needs to stand up and say ENOUGH!
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,496
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    How is it that certain unhinged lunatics like P***n and T***P (I can't even say their names anymore) can get away with wrecking so much havoc on this world?  Everybody on this planet who gets it about how screwed up those two whatevers (I won't call them "animals", no way would I slight the animal kingdom that way) needs to stand up and say ENOUGH!
    People didn't stand up and say Engough! in 2003 when the US did the same. And seems to be the same now. Bullying superpowers doing what the fuck they want unchecked when their leaders get a fix idea. 

    Russia needs to be completely economically shut out. Completely. Close every McDonalds, Apple stores and IKEA's. Do not support countries that are not full on peace-loving democracies.

    Did Putin invade now and not during Trump because of covid - or why wait?
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