Will Pearl Jam join Neil Young in leaving Spotify?

patkelly12

I went to Global Citizen festival in 2012. Neil Young was the headliner and closing act. When he hit the stage, I never saw 60,000 people evacuate a place so fast in my life.

lotsalemon

There's a difference between presenting an opposing, fact-based viewpoint and using unsubstantiated, non-factual points to support an argument. 

Nothing wrong with healthy debate, but when did it become acceptable for people to get their facts from sources that have zero credibility? And these people demand that they are proven to be wrong? How about you prove that you're right? 

JeBurkhardt

igotid88 said:

The problem with the people who want Rogan to say misinformation is that they also want the schools to teach an opposing side to the events in history. Like saying the "holocaust never happened" and that "slavery wasn't that bad". And that's wrong. And then where does it stop? 

People don't want to hear the truth or facts, they only want to hear something that validates their thoughts or opinions. Anything that doesn't is fake news or propaganda. It is disheartening to see how easy it is to mislead people with misinformation. 

Weston1283

This made me laugh 

2-feign-reluctance

@Kat and @Sea

Can you move this to AMT? 

pjl44

Go Beavers said:

pjl44 said:

He had Sanjay Gupta on specifically to check him on this stuff. I listened to the whole episode and, ironically, Gupta only did ok. But it's not like he's adverse to having someone prominent on to take the other side. 

Unfortunately we’re at a point where lies and misrepresenting things is a valid side to an issue. 

I listen to a fair amount of Rogan. When it comes to covid there is stuff he's dead wrong about, stuff I would just respectfully disagree with, and stuff where he's going against consensus but I think he's right. You learn to live with the idea of people being complex if you fnd them interesting enough.

PB11041

pjl44 said:

Go Beavers said:

pjl44 said:

He had Sanjay Gupta on specifically to check him on this stuff. I listened to the whole episode and, ironically, Gupta only did ok. But it's not like he's adverse to having someone prominent on to take the other side. 

Unfortunately we’re at a point where lies and misrepresenting things is a valid side to an issue. 

I listen to a fair amount of Rogan. When it comes to covid there is stuff he's dead wrong about, stuff I would just respectfully disagree with, and stuff where he's going against consensus but I think he's right. You learn to live with the idea of people being complex if you fnd them interesting enough.

Nice to hear some perspective from someboy who actually listens to Joe Rogan's show.  Everyone on the no Joe side iseems to be just shooting from the hip of personal echo chambers and  are just flat wrong and embracing a sad illiberalism that has become very discordant during covid times.

PJNB

patkelly12 said:

I went to Global Citizen festival in 2012. Neil Young was the headliner and closing act. When he hit the stage, I never saw 60,000 people evacuate a place so fast in my life.

Looks like plenty of people stayed to me. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bulsCbCwZo

pjl44

PB11041 said:

pjl44 said:

Go Beavers said:

pjl44 said:

He had Sanjay Gupta on specifically to check him on this stuff. I listened to the whole episode and, ironically, Gupta only did ok. But it's not like he's adverse to having someone prominent on to take the other side. 

Unfortunately we’re at a point where lies and misrepresenting things is a valid side to an issue. 

I listen to a fair amount of Rogan. When it comes to covid there is stuff he's dead wrong about, stuff I would just respectfully disagree with, and stuff where he's going against consensus but I think he's right. You learn to live with the idea of people being complex if you fnd them interesting enough.

Nice to hear some perspective from someboy who actually listens to Joe Rogan's show.  Everyone on the no Joe side iseems to be just shooting from the hip of personal echo chambers and  are just flat wrong and embracing a sad illiberalism that has become very discordant during covid times.

I've been listening since the earliest of its early days. There's something there for everyone to get mad at if you listen long enough. True of most people who spend that much time behind a mic.

Someone like John Oliver is a good analog for me. I have opinions about John Oliver but never watch John Oliver so to the extent that anyone is talking about John Oliver I just shut about John Oliver. It only comes up when a friend tells me I should watch a John Oliver thing and I have to explain why I'm really not interested in that.

Zod

I love John Oliver's show, but it absoltely occurs to me that he sometimes cherry picks stuff, or delivers it in a certain way for sensationalism.   Sort of a left wing version of what the right wing does.

It's just harder to spot when you tend to lean more towards the things the sensationalist person talks about, and more transparent when then thing is very much against your beliefs.

I often thing both sides do the same thing and both are f'd.. lol.

DP13

Zod said:

I love John Oliver's show, but it absoltely occurs to me that he sometimes cherry picks stuff

This is a great point.  Love the show.  Super entertaining.

But a few years ago John did a segment on an industry that had a relatively sketchy reputation that I was very familiar with... and it was complete BS.  It was so one sided, sensationalized and it felt like propaganda to me.  This really opened my eyes to how this style of journalism being treated as news is scary.   

Tim Simmons

musicismylife78 said:

 "I disagree with your views but I'm open to hearing them. 

This has never been society.

PJ5a1

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

Exactly - this whole new world of removal based on disagreement is an unbelievable dangerous arena.... People who agree with censorship from corporations (twitter, facebook etc) and people such as Neil Young and even Stern really need to revaluate things.... Stern was censored back in the 90s because of the things he's done on air - he fought it.... We are big on the me too movement here right? Well, how many times has Stern degraded woman and still does so? Should he be censored?

The rabbit hole of censorship is something that essentially is never ending. 

Neil Young is so off base here and so are the people who agree with him stance.

PJ5a1

Edved82 said:

WindowPaine said:

Edved82 said:

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

It's nothing to do with free speech. Rogan is talking unsubstantiated shit about vaccines that will likely cost lives. If Neil doesn't want to be associated with a platform that allows this misinformation, then that's his own call.

unsubstantiated shit such as?

One example would be him talking about COVID not causing myocarditis in younger people - myocarditis is an exceptionally rare side effect of MRNA vaccines, but you're many many times more likely to get it from COVID-19 than you are from a vaccine. He was actually fact checked live on air and backpedalled immediately. People that have a listenership of millions shouldn't be pretending to be medical professionals. 

Same goes for folks like Neil Young and Howard Stern.... they're no expert. So based on your statement, they too should stop pretending to be medical professionals by telling us how safe and necessary a vaccination is.

But - you do not see any person saying to take Howard Stern off air or remove Neil Young from all platforms, do you? Why? 

So if folks in this community mock "freedom of speech" understand that you're a hypocrite because when speaking on something you agree with is ok, then no censorship is needed. However, God forbid someone makes a comment, has a show on things you don't agree with it - the knee jerk reaction is "TAKE HIM OFF AIR! REMOVE HIS CONTENT!"   

Spiritual_Chaos

WHO boss:




Where is Pearl Jam at?

static111

I wonder if neil will be more accepting of the science behind GMOs now or if he only follows the science for covid?

igotid88

PJ5a1 said:

Edved82 said:

WindowPaine said:

Edved82 said:

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

It's nothing to do with free speech. Rogan is talking unsubstantiated shit about vaccines that will likely cost lives. If Neil doesn't want to be associated with a platform that allows this misinformation, then that's his own call.

unsubstantiated shit such as?

One example would be him talking about COVID not causing myocarditis in younger people - myocarditis is an exceptionally rare side effect of MRNA vaccines, but you're many many times more likely to get it from COVID-19 than you are from a vaccine. He was actually fact checked live on air and backpedalled immediately. People that have a listenership of millions shouldn't be pretending to be medical professionals. 

Same goes for folks like Neil Young and Howard Stern.... they're no expert. So based on your statement, they too should stop pretending to be medical professionals by telling us how safe and necessary a vaccination is.

But - you do not see any person saying to take Howard Stern off air or remove Neil Young from all platforms, do you? Why? 

So if folks in this community mock "freedom of speech" understand that you're a hypocrite because when speaking on something you agree with is ok, then no censorship is needed. However, God forbid someone makes a comment, has a show on things you don't agree with it - the knee jerk reaction is "TAKE HIM OFF AIR! REMOVE HIS CONTENT!"   

Howard is not telling people to take bleach.

Abe Froman

Spiritual_Chaos said:

WHO boss:




Where is Pearl Jam at?

Hopefully sitting this one out. 

Loujoe

Bababooey

PJ5a1

igotid88 said:

PJ5a1 said:

Edved82 said:

WindowPaine said:

Edved82 said:

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

It's nothing to do with free speech. Rogan is talking unsubstantiated shit about vaccines that will likely cost lives. If Neil doesn't want to be associated with a platform that allows this misinformation, then that's his own call.

unsubstantiated shit such as?

One example would be him talking about COVID not causing myocarditis in younger people - myocarditis is an exceptionally rare side effect of MRNA vaccines, but you're many many times more likely to get it from COVID-19 than you are from a vaccine. He was actually fact checked live on air and backpedalled immediately. People that have a listenership of millions shouldn't be pretending to be medical professionals. 

Same goes for folks like Neil Young and Howard Stern.... they're no expert. So based on your statement, they too should stop pretending to be medical professionals by telling us how safe and necessary a vaccination is.

But - you do not see any person saying to take Howard Stern off air or remove Neil Young from all platforms, do you? Why? 

So if folks in this community mock "freedom of speech" understand that you're a hypocrite because when speaking on something you agree with is ok, then no censorship is needed. However, God forbid someone makes a comment, has a show on things you don't agree with it - the knee jerk reaction is "TAKE HIM OFF AIR! REMOVE HIS CONTENT!"   

Howard is not telling people to take bleach.

and who is saying that? Has Rogan said that? Do you have the link?