Will Pearl Jam join Neil Young in leaving Spotify?

Spiritual_Chaos
Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,599
edited January 2022 in The Porch




What do you think?

They did cancel that North Carolina gig in the footsteps of Bruce.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,371
    They could, if they wanted to. Thankfully, DEEP isn't 100% reliant on Spotify (plus the money isn't great to begin with).
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    Spotify should dump Rogan. That’s what I think. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,599
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    Spotify should dump Rogan. That’s what I think. 
    They can have Rogan or the Jamily. Not both. 

    LET’S GO PEARL JAM

    Get that 90s ticketmaster fire back in the belly!
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • shorty4568
    shorty4568 Posts: 181
    The idea that Neil would use his catalog as leverage to get someone else's content removed is a bad precedent. If you don't think so, what if the tables were turned? What if Monsanto was using their money, power and influence to get Neil's catalog removed from streaming services?  Would that stop you from enjoying Neil's music or would you find alternative ways of consuming his content? Likely causing you to consume less new music from other artists and more of Neil Young's catalog.

    This is why pressuring platforms to remove content you disagree with is unlikely to have the results you desire. Since you stay with service "A" consuming more content that reinforces your beliefs and the removed content moves to service "B" along with their audience consuming more content the reinforces their beliefs. This leaves society fractured, more entrenched and unlikely to be exposed to any ideas that doesn't confirm their beliefs. 
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    edited January 2022
    Hmm.
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    edited January 2022
     :) 
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  • tylermoore
    tylermoore St. Joseph, MI Posts: 1,113
    I don’t necessarily like Joe but this is just silly
  • bootleg
    bootleg Posts: 1,209
    I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    bootleg said:
    I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 
    Theres a meme going around of what hippies in 1968 said and believed and what hippies in 2022 say and believe.  Anti Authoritarian, question authority, do your own thing, became shut up, do what the government says and fall in line.  Calling out that hypocrisy isnt wrong, those people who say that is a clear double standard have legitimate grievances.  
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    edited January 2022
    EV to the rescue!

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    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    Neil pulled out of Farm Aid last fall because of COVID. Pearl Jam played SHN and Ohana. I don't see them following his lead this time either, for better or worse. 
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  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    Kind of a win win for me. 

    I have no intention of ever having Neil or Joe on any of my Spotify playlists.  :lol:
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    There is no perfect mix.  Free speech has its flaws and government (even more so large corporations that control communication platforms) controlled speech has its flaws.

    I would rather allow free speech and discussion knowing that negative effects of the alternative are much, much worse.  It is like people want the US to be like China where only one viewpoint can be discussed.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,599
    edited January 2022
    shorty4568 said:
    The idea that Neil would use his catalog as leverage to get someone else's content removed is a bad precedent. If you don't think so, what if the tables were turned? What if Monsanto was using their money, power and influence to get Neil's catalog removed from streaming services?  Would that stop you from enjoying Neil's music or would you find alternative ways of consuming his content? Likely causing you to consume less new music from other artists and more of Neil Young's catalog.

    This is why pressuring platforms to remove content you disagree with is unlikely to have the results you desire. Since you stay with service "A" consuming more content that reinforces your beliefs and the removed content moves to service "B" along with their audience consuming more content the reinforces their beliefs. This leaves society fractured, more entrenched and unlikely to be exposed to any ideas that doesn't confirm their beliefs. 
    bootleg said:
    I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 
    musicismylife78 said:
    bootleg said:
    I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 
    Theres a meme going around of what hippies in 1968 said and believed and what hippies in 2022 say and believe.  Anti Authoritarian, question authority, do your own thing, became shut up, do what the government says and fall in line.  Calling out that hypocrisy isnt wrong, those people who say that is a clear double standard have legitimate grievances.  
    bootlegger10 said:
    There is no perfect mix.  Free speech has its flaws and government (even more so large corporations that control communication platforms) controlled speech has its flaws.

    I would rather allow free speech and discussion knowing that negative effects of the alternative are much, much worse.  It is like people want the US to be like China where only one viewpoint can be discussed.
    So if Pearl Jam was to play Bonnaroo, but then Bonnaroo decided to add a bunch of White power music to the lineup and having a stack of limited edition numbered Mein Kampf books and accompanying litographs at the merch tables - then Pearl Jam would be wrong to cancel because of this precious freedom of speech you speak of?

    Help me understand.
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    It has nothing to do with free speech. 
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • patkelly12
    patkelly12 CT Posts: 361
    People need to pick up a book. All throughout history, the people promoting censorship, intimidation and bullying HAVE ALWAYS been the good guys.
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,149
    dankind said:
    EV to the rescue!

    Lol 
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  • Edved82
    Edved82 Ireland Posts: 1,279
    bootleg said:
    I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 
    It's nothing to do with free speech. Rogan is talking unsubstantiated shit about vaccines that will likely cost lives. If Neil doesn't want to be associated with a platform that allows this misinformation, then that's his own call.
    "...though my problems are meaningless....that don't make them go away...."
  • WindowPaine
    WindowPaine Chicopee, MA Posts: 539
    Edved82 said:
    bootleg said:
    I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 
    It's nothing to do with free speech. Rogan is talking unsubstantiated shit about vaccines that will likely cost lives. If Neil doesn't want to be associated with a platform that allows this misinformation, then that's his own call.
    unsubstantiated shit such as?
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  • raindog80
    raindog80 Reggio Emilia, Italy Posts: 1,193
    No way. 
    "I like beautiful melodies telling me terrible things" - Tom Waits
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