Will Pearl Jam join Neil Young in leaving Spotify?

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1485757517523308548?s=20

What do you think?

They did cancel that North Carolina gig in the footsteps of Bruce.

Go Animal

They could, if they wanted to. Thankfully, DEEP isn't 100% reliant on Spotify (plus the money isn't great to begin with).

2-feign-reluctance

Spotify should dump Rogan. That’s what I think. 

Spiritual_Chaos

2-feign-reluctance said:

Spotify should dump Rogan. That’s what I think. 

They can have Rogan or the Jamily. Not both. 

LET’S GO PEARL JAM

Get that 90s ticketmaster fire back in the belly!

shorty4568

The idea that Neil would use his catalog as leverage to get someone else's content removed is a bad precedent. If you don't think so, what if the tables were turned? What if Monsanto was using their money, power and influence to get Neil's catalog removed from streaming services?  Would that stop you from enjoying Neil's music or would you find alternative ways of consuming his content? Likely causing you to consume less new music from other artists and more of Neil Young's catalog.

This is why pressuring platforms to remove content you disagree with is unlikely to have the results you desire. Since you stay with service "A" consuming more content that reinforces your beliefs and the removed content moves to service "B" along with their audience consuming more content the reinforces their beliefs. This leaves society fractured, more entrenched and unlikely to be exposed to any ideas that doesn't confirm their beliefs. 

musicismylife78

Hmm.

musicismylife78

  

tylermoore

I don’t necessarily like Joe but this is just silly

bootleg

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

musicismylife78

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

Theres a meme going around of what hippies in 1968 said and believed and what hippies in 2022 say and believe.  Anti Authoritarian, question authority, do your own thing, became shut up, do what the government says and fall in line.  Calling out that hypocrisy isnt wrong, those people who say that is a clear double standard have legitimate grievances.  

dankind

EV to the rescue!

https://twitter.com/netjets/status/1223609311559061507?s=21

JimmyV

Neil pulled out of Farm Aid last fall because of COVID. Pearl Jam played SHN and Ohana. I don't see them following his lead this time either, for better or worse. 

cp3iverson

Kind of a win win for me. 

I have no intention of ever having Neil or Joe on any of my Spotify playlists.  

bootlegger10

There is no perfect mix.  Free speech has its flaws and government (even more so large corporations that control communication platforms) controlled speech has its flaws.

I would rather allow free speech and discussion knowing that negative effects of the alternative are much, much worse.  It is like people want the US to be like China where only one viewpoint can be discussed.

Spiritual_Chaos

shorty4568 said:

The idea that Neil would use his catalog as leverage to get someone else's content removed is a bad precedent. If you don't think so, what if the tables were turned? What if Monsanto was using their money, power and influence to get Neil's catalog removed from streaming services?  Would that stop you from enjoying Neil's music or would you find alternative ways of consuming his content? Likely causing you to consume less new music from other artists and more of Neil Young's catalog.

This is why pressuring platforms to remove content you disagree with is unlikely to have the results you desire. Since you stay with service "A" consuming more content that reinforces your beliefs and the removed content moves to service "B" along with their audience consuming more content the reinforces their beliefs. This leaves society fractured, more entrenched and unlikely to be exposed to any ideas that doesn't confirm their beliefs. 

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

musicismylife78 said:

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

Theres a meme going around of what hippies in 1968 said and believed and what hippies in 2022 say and believe.  Anti Authoritarian, question authority, do your own thing, became shut up, do what the government says and fall in line.  Calling out that hypocrisy isnt wrong, those people who say that is a clear double standard have legitimate grievances.  

bootlegger10 said:

There is no perfect mix.  Free speech has its flaws and government (even more so large corporations that control communication platforms) controlled speech has its flaws.

I would rather allow free speech and discussion knowing that negative effects of the alternative are much, much worse.  It is like people want the US to be like China where only one viewpoint can be discussed.

So if Pearl Jam was to play Bonnaroo, but then Bonnaroo decided to add a bunch of White power music to the lineup and having a stack of limited edition numbered Mein Kampf books and accompanying litographs at the merch tables - then Pearl Jam would be wrong to cancel because of this precious freedom of speech you speak of?

Help me understand.

ComeToTX

It has nothing to do with free speech. 

patkelly12

People need to pick up a book. All throughout history, the people promoting censorship, intimidation and bullying HAVE ALWAYS been the good guys.

static111

dankind said:

EV to the rescue!

https://twitter.com/netjets/status/1223609311559061507?s=21

Lol 

Edved82

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

It's nothing to do with free speech. Rogan is talking unsubstantiated shit about vaccines that will likely cost lives. If Neil doesn't want to be associated with a platform that allows this misinformation, then that's his own call.

WindowPaine

Edved82 said:

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

It's nothing to do with free speech. Rogan is talking unsubstantiated shit about vaccines that will likely cost lives. If Neil doesn't want to be associated with a platform that allows this misinformation, then that's his own call.

unsubstantiated shit such as?

raindog80

No way. 

PB11041

Neil has not exactly been mister scientific when it comes to GMOs, he has been knee deep in conspiracy theories there.

bootlegger10

ComeToTX said:

It has nothing to do with free speech. 

I just don’t understand how people are so eager to cede control to corporations.  The government shouldn’t tell people what they can or cannot say but people are fine if 8 CEO’s that control 90% of the communication platforms can have that power.  

bootlegger10

Spiritual_Chaos said:

shorty4568 said:

The idea that Neil would use his catalog as leverage to get someone else's content removed is a bad precedent. If you don't think so, what if the tables were turned? What if Monsanto was using their money, power and influence to get Neil's catalog removed from streaming services?  Would that stop you from enjoying Neil's music or would you find alternative ways of consuming his content? Likely causing you to consume less new music from other artists and more of Neil Young's catalog.

This is why pressuring platforms to remove content you disagree with is unlikely to have the results you desire. Since you stay with service "A" consuming more content that reinforces your beliefs and the removed content moves to service "B" along with their audience consuming more content the reinforces their beliefs. This leaves society fractured, more entrenched and unlikely to be exposed to any ideas that doesn't confirm their beliefs. 

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

musicismylife78 said:

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

Theres a meme going around of what hippies in 1968 said and believed and what hippies in 2022 say and believe.  Anti Authoritarian, question authority, do your own thing, became shut up, do what the government says and fall in line.  Calling out that hypocrisy isnt wrong, those people who say that is a clear double standard have legitimate grievances.  

bootlegger10 said:

There is no perfect mix.  Free speech has its flaws and government (even more so large corporations that control communication platforms) controlled speech has its flaws.

I would rather allow free speech and discussion knowing that negative effects of the alternative are much, much worse.  It is like people want the US to be like China where only one viewpoint can be discussed.

So if Pearl Jam was to play Bonnaroo, but then Bonnaroo decided to add a bunch of White power music to the lineup and having a stack of limited edition numbered Mein Kampf books and accompanying litographs at the merch tables - then Pearl Jam would be wrong to cancel because of this precious freedom of speech you speak of?

Help me understand.

That is a good point.  I would be perfectly okay with PJ backing out and would support them backing out. 

I guess my thought here would be that it is a medical issue and not a discrimination issue.   Misinformation sucks but the alternative of only government provided info sucks too.  

You make a good point though.  

RiotAct10

Hate to say it, but I don't think Neil doing this will make a difference, and PJ joining him won't either. Now if Drake, Ed Sheeran, Justin Beiber and Taylor Swift want to speak up.....

OceansJenny

Lol of course Neil leaving will do nothing. Guarantee more people listen to Rogan than Neil on Spotify.

lexicondevil

Sometimes you need to stand up for something. I applaud Neil and hope PJ follow his example.

JBob87

Neil is also in a unique position to do something like this due to his NYA subscription service and the income it brings him. And the service will probably gain subscribers if he goes off Spotify. 

Would be terrible for consumers if artists all started splintering off onto 100 different platforms similar to what is happening with TV. 

Edved82

WindowPaine said:

Edved82 said:

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

It's nothing to do with free speech. Rogan is talking unsubstantiated shit about vaccines that will likely cost lives. If Neil doesn't want to be associated with a platform that allows this misinformation, then that's his own call.

unsubstantiated shit such as?

One example would be him talking about COVID not causing myocarditis in younger people - myocarditis is an exceptionally rare side effect of MRNA vaccines, but you're many many times more likely to get it from COVID-19 than you are from a vaccine. He was actually fact checked live on air and backpedalled immediately. People that have a listenership of millions shouldn't be pretending to be medical professionals. 

igotid88

You guys can also cancel your subscriptions instead of asking/demanding artists to take their music off the platform. I'm sure you guys will buy their albums

bobby dazzlers

Edved82 said:

 People that have a listenership of millions shouldn't be pretending to be medical professionals. 

This.

I'll still watch Rogen on NewsRadio...that show was tops.