Will Pearl Jam join Neil Young in leaving Spotify?

musicismylife78

I wonder if the people who support this type of behavior were for the censorship of the Dixie Chicks in 2003, and PJ and Ed faced some serious backlash for their actions during the Iraq War as well.  Is that just the market responding?  Cancel culture often only goes one way.  Lots of people, including tv hosts and news anchors and posters on this board said extreme things and wild things about our previous President.  Few if any were reprimanded or punished for their behavior or words.  Why were those people not demanding we shut down free speech then?  It seems those who want censorship only want that censorship to involve and go after speech they disagree with, yet would react in disgust if any sort of clamp was put down on their own free speech.  Ed and the boys said some very extreme things about George W, didnt Ed impale George W in mask form at one show?  I remember at several of the NY shows in 2003, the first tour after 9/11, they played NY proper and when they played their more political songs off Riot Act, a portion of the audience, maybe even a large portion of it, turned their backs and booed.  What do we do in a situation like that?  Whats the remedy?  Seems to me, those in favor of censorship are suggesting we should have muzzled and censored Ed and the boys, right?  You can't just freak out and object to speech from the other side thats out there.  You've got to be willing to, if you are taking that approach, to call out the speech of your own side too.  During the Bush years and the Trump years, those on the left said some pretty utrageous things.  Some things that were said were criminal and way over the line.  Yet, restricting THOSE peoples speech would have been, hey man, dont do that, we are living in a fascist dictatorship, we cant even speak our minds, man!  

musicismylife78

Those people saying Joe is irresponsible and misinformation, likely also watch CNN, and MSNBC, and read HuffPo and WaPo, and watch Trevor Noah and the like, and act like they are getting balanced, fair and non biased news without an agenda.  

igotid88

https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1486004388594388995?t=O-UfqyCtIjHzUg0DRbCVOQ&s=19

igotid88

musicismylife78 said:

Those people saying Joe is irresponsible and misinformation, likely also watch CNN, and MSNBC, and read HuffPo and WaPo, and watch Trevor Noah and the like, and act like they are getting balanced, fair and non biased news without an agenda.  

More balanced than the other side. And also MSNBCs and CNN for example believe the holocaust happened. While the other says it didn't or have people saying it didn't. So just cause they have people saying it didn't happen and treating it as fact. Doesn't mean they're right or that that's a good balance.

PP193448

igotid88 said:

https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1486004388594388995?t=O-UfqyCtIjHzUg0DRbCVOQ&s=19

https://spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com/2022/01/10/an-open-letter-to-spotify/

Lots of nurses, some medical students, some medical doctors, some PHDs, etc.  These people are the experts that know what’s misinformation and what is accurate scientifically proven information????? Joe Rogan isn’t any expert either.  But we need to question everything to prove the science.  And we also need to question the government, because there is so much corruption in government.  

Indifference

Guess Neil deleted the letter. Hmmm https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55557633

take the money lose the rights…

ComeToTX

Seems like a great show…
https://twitter.com/alexpattyy/status/1486108847412588553?s=21

nicknyr15

ComeToTX said:

Seems like a great show…
https://twitter.com/alexpattyy/status/1486108847412588553?s=21

Isn’t it great that you’re not forced to listen or watch? I’ve seen more embarrassing segments and hot takes on “news” stations like CNN and Fox. This is a podcast hosted by a UFC commentator/comedian. 

ComeToTX

nicknyr15 said:

ComeToTX said:

Seems like a great show…
https://twitter.com/alexpattyy/status/1486108847412588553?s=21

Isn’t it great that you’re not forced to listen or watch? I’ve seen more embarrassing segments and hot takes on “news” stations like CNN and Fox. This is a podcast hosted by a UFC commentator/comedian. 

I agree.  It's also a podcast that has more reach than most shows on those stations and unfortunately people take what he says as gospel.

lexicondevil

musicismylife78 said:

I wonder if the people who support this type of behavior were for the censorship of the Dixie Chicks in 2003, and PJ and Ed faced some serious backlash for their actions during the Iraq War as well.  Is that just the market responding?  Cancel culture often only goes one way.  Lots of people, including tv hosts and news anchors and posters on this board said extreme things and wild things about our previous President.  Few if any were reprimanded or punished for their behavior or words.  Why were those people not demanding we shut down free speech then?  It seems those who want censorship only want that censorship to involve and go after speech they disagree with, yet would react in disgust if any sort of clamp was put down on their own free speech.  Ed and the boys said some very extreme things about George W, didnt Ed impale George W in mask form at one show?  I remember at several of the NY shows in 2003, the first tour after 9/11, they played NY proper and when they played their more political songs off Riot Act, a portion of the audience, maybe even a large portion of it, turned their backs and booed.  What do we do in a situation like that?  Whats the remedy?  Seems to me, those in favor of censorship are suggesting we should have muzzled and censored Ed and the boys, right?  You can't just freak out and object to speech from the other side thats out there.  You've got to be willing to, if you are taking that approach, to call out the speech of your own side too.  During the Bush years and the Trump years, those on the left said some pretty utrageous things.  Some things that were said were criminal and way over the line.  Yet, restricting THOSE peoples speech would have been, hey man, dont do that, we are living in a fascist dictatorship, we cant even speak our minds, man!  

Are you part of the Rogan PR team? Damn, we get it. You love him and want him to keep spreading his BS, but please tell us more...

Zod

I find I'm more in the middle of this.  I believe in free speech and it does occur to me that modern society is trying to get everyone to believe one way.    If you don't agree, then it gets messy.   It makes me nervous.

On the flip side we've gone from an era where the primary news source was newspapers, who had journalists, which (for the most part) had to make sure what they printed (or reported on the news) was factual.

Now we've entered the era of podcasts and opinion pieces, where what's being discussed doesn't have to be supported by some kind of facts. It's creating a lot of disinformation. It feels like both CNN and Fox News have a big majority of their content as opinion pieces.

I dunno.  I don't think you can squash free speech, because I'd hate to be on the end where society decides what I believe in isn't the right thing.   On the flip side the way people absorb their information now also seems dangerous.

PJNB

Zod said:

I find I'm more in the middle of this.  I believe in free speech and it does occur to me that modern society is trying to get everyone to believe one way.    If you don't agree, then it gets messy.   It makes me nervous.

On the flip side we've gone from an era where the primary news source was newspapers, who had journalists, which (for the most part) had to make sure what they printed (or reported on the news) was factual.

Now we've entered the era of podcasts and opinion pieces, where what's being discussed doesn't have to be supported by some kind of facts. It's creating a lot of disinformation. It feels like both CNN and Fox News have a big majority of their content as opinion pieces.

I dunno.  I don't think you can squash free speech, because I'd hate to be on the end where society decides what I believe in isn't the right thing.   On the flip side the way people absorb their information now also seems dangerous.

Exactly. There are so many people out there doing their own "research" from bullshit sites and podcasts just to have their precious confirmation bias satisfied.

BF25394

musicismylife78 said:

I wonder if the people who support this type of behavior were for the censorship of the Dixie Chicks in 2003, and PJ and Ed faced some serious backlash for their actions during the Iraq War as well.  Is that just the market responding?  Cancel culture often only goes one way.  Lots of people, including tv hosts and news anchors and posters on this board said extreme things and wild things about our previous President.  Few if any were reprimanded or punished for their behavior or words.  Why were those people not demanding we shut down free speech then?  It seems those who want censorship only want that censorship to involve and go after speech they disagree with, yet would react in disgust if any sort of clamp was put down on their own free speech.  Ed and the boys said some very extreme things about George W, didnt Ed impale George W in mask form at one show?  I remember at several of the NY shows in 2003, the first tour after 9/11, they played NY proper and when they played their more political songs off Riot Act, a portion of the audience, maybe even a large portion of it, turned their backs and booed.  What do we do in a situation like that?  Whats the remedy?  Seems to me, those in favor of censorship are suggesting we should have muzzled and censored Ed and the boys, right?  You can't just freak out and object to speech from the other side thats out there.  You've got to be willing to, if you are taking that approach, to call out the speech of your own side too.  During the Bush years and the Trump years, those on the left said some pretty utrageous things.  Some things that were said were criminal and way over the line.  Yet, restricting THOSE peoples speech would have been, hey man, dont do that, we are living in a fascist dictatorship, we cant even speak our minds, man!  

I wonder what your take was on the treatment of Colin Kaepernick.  Cancel culture really does go both ways.

Go Beavers

musicismylife78 said:

When did society change from, "I disagree with your views but I'm open to hearing them.  I dont know who you are but Im willing to sit politely at your lecture and then in the Q and A, ask some questions.  I am willing to hear you out and give you the benefit of the doubt, and I will listen to you.", morph into "I disagree with you, thus I wont listen to you, and I will prevent others listening to you who actually enjoy your work.  I will ruin you and your career and livelihood and call you names and scream.  My view of you is correct and anyone that has a positive view of you is a liar, criminal and a threat.  You even speaking at all is a threat."

That change of mentality and ideology is scary.  

Both the things you're describing have always existed.

Go Beavers

WindowPaine said:

Edved82 said:

bootleg said:

I thought Neil was a freedom of speech guy?  If you truly are then you should to be for it even when you don’t like what is being said.  Don’t like this take from Neil and hope PJ would not do the same. 

It's nothing to do with free speech. Rogan is talking unsubstantiated shit about vaccines that will likely cost lives. If Neil doesn't want to be associated with a platform that allows this misinformation, then that's his own call.

unsubstantiated shit such as?

Dr. Malone lies about his contribution to the mRNA vaccines, and as a result, is given credibility from anit-vaxxers where it doesn't belong. He then goes on to lie about the vaccine, claiming it's cytotoxic, and makes other claims without providing any evidence.

patkelly12

Bye, bye Uncle Neil.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/neil-youngs-music-is-being-taken-down-by-spotify-after-ultimatum-over-joe-rogan-11643230104?mod=Searchresults_pos1&page=1

musicismylife78

musicismylife78

LGBTQ Researcher & Joe Rogan watchdog at

@mmfa

. He/Him. Opinions dancing on my own. Employed by Media Matters

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Seems like someone open to hearing Joe and differing points of view and is totally unbiased and plays it right down the middle!

DP13

Neil should have went on Rogan and told him why he was wrong and tried to explain the damage he is doing.

Trying to get him de-platformed is a lazy, weak, virtue signaling move by an old man that likely had alot to do with him being upset with how little the streaming service pays him to begin with.

Here's hoping PJ takes a different route. 

bootleg

Zod said:

I find I'm more in the middle of this.  I believe in free speech and it does occur to me that modern society is trying to get everyone to believe one way.    If you don't agree, then it gets messy.   It makes me nervous.

On the flip side we've gone from an era where the primary news source was newspapers, who had journalists, which (for the most part) had to make sure what they printed (or reported on the news) was factual.

Now we've entered the era of podcasts and opinion pieces, where what's being discussed doesn't have to be supported by some kind of facts. It's creating a lot of disinformation. It feels like both CNN and Fox News have a big majority of their content as opinion pieces.

I dunno.  I don't think you can squash free speech, because I'd hate to be on the end where society decides what I believe in isn't the right thing.   On the flip side the way people absorb their information now also seems dangerous.

I think there was a recent interview with Jon Stewart where he touched on this a little.  That the major news media (both sides) are more interested in covering the conflict now instead of just the straight news. That it used to be journalists just presented the facts and let the audience come to the conclusions.  Now they are presenting some information but then also more of their opinions and are kind of trying to steer the audience on how they think they should feel about it.