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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,836
    nicknyr15 said:
    Man, china seems like a fun place right now. 
    Gross. 
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,680
    And for his 18th birthday, my son got a positive Covid test.
    And of course, wife and I were in car with him for about 10 hours between Friday and Saturday.
    He started to exhibit cold symptoms Friday (his birthday no less) while we were driving to Burlington VT for a college visit, tested him when we got home Saturday night, he is positive. So far wife and I are negative.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,217
    Poncier said:
    And for his 18th birthday, my son got a positive Covid test.
    And of course, wife and I were in car with him for about 10 hours between Friday and Saturday.
    He started to exhibit cold symptoms Friday (his birthday no less) while we were driving to Burlington VT for a college visit, tested him when we got home Saturday night, he is positive. So far wife and I are negative.
    Damn hope he feels better soon! I’m getting the 2nd booster I’m 61 this virus is here for good! 
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,680
    Poncier said:
    And for his 18th birthday, my son got a positive Covid test.
    And of course, wife and I were in car with him for about 10 hours between Friday and Saturday.
    He started to exhibit cold symptoms Friday (his birthday no less) while we were driving to Burlington VT for a college visit, tested him when we got home Saturday night, he is positive. So far wife and I are negative.
    Damn hope he feels better soon! I’m getting the 2nd booster I’m 61 this virus is here for good! 
    Thanks Jose.
    He's doing pretty well; don't think it'll be anything serious (certainly hope not) with him.
     3 years ago, it would have been, "you have a mild cold, drink some juice and get some extra rest".
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,843
    Anyone else following this "COVID-Zero" lockdown in Shanghai, China? It's insane how those people are being treated. 
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,322
    Anyone else following this "COVID-Zero" lockdown in Shanghai, China? It's insane how those people are being treated. 
    Absolutely insane. I touched on it a few days ago here. No one seems interested in it. 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,843
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    nicknyr15 said:
    Anyone else following this "COVID-Zero" lockdown in Shanghai, China? It's insane how those people are being treated. 
    Absolutely insane. I touched on it a few days ago here. No one seems interested in it. 

    It's crazy. 26 million people on lockdown. People are literally starving. The military is all over preventing people from going out. And a CNN reporter reported that government officials are locking people in their own apartments. Here's some videos...

    This guy is basically speaking for everyone....


    People screaming at night as their locked in their apartments, many presumably with no food....


    A scene right out of an Orwell novel where a drone advises people to stay in their homes...




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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,322
    nicknyr15 said:
    Anyone else following this "COVID-Zero" lockdown in Shanghai, China? It's insane how those people are being treated. 
    Absolutely insane. I touched on it a few days ago here. No one seems interested in it. 

    It's crazy. 26 million people on lockdown. People are literally starving. The military is all over preventing people from going out. And a CNN reporter reported that government officials are locking people in their own apartments. Here's some videos...

    This guy is basically speaking for everyone....


    People screaming at night as their locked in their apartments, many presumably with no food....


    A scene right out of an Orwell novel where a drone advises people to stay in their homes...




    Disgusting. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,553
    that last video is shit right out of 1984. holy fuck. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,843
    that last video is shit right out of 1984. holy fuck. 
    That book is a warning for most.....but a blueprint for some. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    nicknyr15 said:
    Anyone else following this "COVID-Zero" lockdown in Shanghai, China? It's insane how those people are being treated. 
    Absolutely insane. I touched on it a few days ago here. No one seems interested in it. 
     I think people would prefer to ignore Shanghai, because it hits close to the bone of what people who were against masks and lockdowns were worried about happening here.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,404
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Anyone else following this "COVID-Zero" lockdown in Shanghai, China? It's insane how those people are being treated. 
    Absolutely insane. I touched on it a few days ago here. No one seems interested in it. 
     I think people would prefer to ignore Shanghai, because it hits close to the bone of what people who were against masks and lockdowns were worried about happening here.
    Or... and stay with me here... none of us are surprised because it's China and China is a totalitarian society.  So when totalitarians act in a way that eliminates freedom and doesn't respect basic civil rights, we're not surprised.  I think your conclusion is far afield. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,553
    a friend of mine lives in China. he moved there temporarily to teach english as a second language, then ended up meeting and marrying a local. he will go dark on social media for months at a time; not an option. the government just blocked citizens' access to the outside world. and that's the minor shit that goes on there. so while my heart goes out to people there, I don't find what's going on surprising in the least, and just tends to make the "freedom convoy" bullshit all the more laughable. calling Trudeau a dictator is so incredibly ridiculous given what an actual dictator does. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,871

     
    It's not over: COVID-19 cases are on the rise again in US
    By LAURA UNGAR
    28 mins ago

    Yet again, the U.S. is trudging into what could be another COVID-19 surge, with cases rising nationally and in most states after a two-month decline.

    One big unknown? “We don’t know how high that mountain’s gonna grow,” said Dr. Stuart Campbell Ray, an infectious disease expert at Johns Hopkins University.

    No one expects a peak nearly as high as the last one, when the contagious omicron version of the coronavirus ripped through the population.

    But experts warn that the coming wave – caused by a mutant called BA.2 that’s thought to be about 30% more contagious – will wash across the nation. They worry that hospitalizations, which are already ticking up in some parts of the Northeast, will rise in a growing number of states in the coming weeks. And the case wave will be bigger than it looks, they say, because reported numbers are vast undercounts as more people test at home without reporting their infections or skip testing altogether.

    At the height of the previous omicron surge, reported daily cases reached into the hundreds of thousands. As of Thursday, the seven-day rolling average for daily new cases rose to 39,521, up from 30,724 two weeks earlier, according to data from Johns Hopkins collected by The Associated Press.

    Dr. Eric Topol, head of Scripps Research Translational Institute, said the numbers will likely keep growing until the surge reaches about a quarter the height of the last “monstrous” one. BA.2 may well have the same effect in the U.S. as it did in Israel, where it created a “bump" in the chart measuring cases, he said.

    Keeping the surge somewhat in check, experts said, is a higher level of immunity in the U.S. from vaccination or past infection compared with early winter.

    But Ray said the U.S. could wind up looking like Europe, where the BA.2 surge was “substantial" in some places that had comparable levels of immunity. “We could have a substantial surge here,” he said.

    Both experts said BA.2 will move through the country gradually. The Northeast has been hit hardest so far — with more than 90% of new infections caused by BA.2 last week compared with 86% nationally. As of Thursday, the highest rates of new COVID cases per capita over the past 14 days were in Vermont, Rhode Island, Alaska, New York and Massachusetts. In Washington, D.C., which also ranks in the top 10 for rates of new cases, Howard University announced it was moving most undergraduate classes online for the rest of the semester because of “a significant increase in COVID-19 positivity” in the district and on campus.

    Some states, such as Rhode Island and New Hampshire, saw the average of daily new cases rise by more than 100% in two weeks, according to Johns Hopkins data.

    In New Hampshire, the increase in cases comes two weeks after the closure of all 11 state-managed vaccination sites, and the governor is being pressured by some advocates to reverse course.

    Joseph Wendelken, spokesperson for the Rhode Island Department of Health, said the metric they are most focused on right now is hospitalizations, which remain relatively low. About 55 COVID-19 patients are hospitalized, compared with more than 600 at one point in the pandemic.

    Officials credit high vaccination rates. State statistics show 99% of Rhode Island adults are at least partially vaccinated and 48% have gotten the booster dose that scientists say is key in protecting against severe illness with omicron.

    Vermont also has relatively high levels of vaccination and fewer patients in the hospital than during the height of the first omicron wave. But Dr. Mark Levine, the health commissioner there, said hospitalizations and the numbers of patients in intensive care units are both up slightly, although deaths have not risen.

    Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that new hospital admissions of patients with confirmed COVID-19 were up slightly in New England and the New York region.

    On the West Coast, modelers from Oregon Health & Science University are projecting a slight increase in hospitalizations over the next two months in that state, where cases have also risen steeply.

    As the wave moves across the country, experts said states with low rates of vaccination may face substantially more infections and severe cases that wind up in the hospital.

    Ray said government leaders must be careful to strike the right tone when talking to people about protecting themselves and others after COVID restrictions have largely been lifted. Philadelphia recently became the first major U.S. city to reinstate its indoor mask mandate after a sharp increase in infections. But Vermont's Levine said there are no plans to bring back any of the restrictions that were imposed earlier during the pandemic.

    “It’s going to be hard to institute restrictive, draconian measures,” Ray said. “Fortunately, we have some tools that we can use to mitigate risk. And so I hope that leaders will emphasize the importance for people to watch the numbers,” be aware of risks and consider taking precautions such as wearing masks and getting vaccinated and boosted if they're not already.

    Lynne Richmond, a 59-year-old breast cancer survivor who lives in Silver Spring, Md., said she plans to get her second booster and keep wearing her mask in public as cases rise in her state and nearby Washington, D.C.

    “I never really stopped wearing my mask…I’ve stayed ultra-vigilant,” she said. “I feel like I’ve come this far; I don’t want to get COVID.”

    At the 250-bed New Hampshire Veterans Home in Tilton, staff are still wearing masks and social distancing. Veterans are allowed limited excursions to places like an antique race car museum and restaurants where they can have a separate room and the wait staff is masked.

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,871

     
    Anti-virus shutdowns in China spread as infections rise
    By JOE McDONALD
    Today

    BEIJING (AP) — Anti-virus controls that have shut down some of China’s biggest cities and fueled public irritation are spreading as infections rise, hurting a weak economy and prompting warnings of possible global shockwaves.

    Shanghai is easing rules that confined most of its 25 million people to their homes after complaints they had trouble getting food. But most of its businesses still are closed. Access to Guangzhou, an industrial center of 19 million people near Hong Kong, was suspended this week. Other cities are cutting off access or closing factories and schools.

    Spring planting by Chinese farmers who feed 1.4 billion people might be disrupted, Nomura economists warned Thursday. That could boost demand for imported wheat and other food, pushing up already high global prices.

    The closures are an embarrassment to the ruling Communist Party and a setback for official efforts to shore up slumping growth in the world’s second-largest economy. They come during a sensitive year when President Xi Jinping is expected to try to break with tradition and award himself a third five-year term as leader.

    Beijing has promised to reduce the human and economic cost of its “zero-COVID” strategy, but Xi on Wednesday ruled out joining the United States and other governments that are dropping restrictions and trying to live with the virus.

    “Prevention and control work cannot be relaxed,” Xi said, according to the official Xinhua News Agency. “Persistence is victory.”

    The risk that China might tumble into recession is increasing, Ting Lu, Jing Wang and Harrison Zhang of Nomura warned in a report.

    “The logistics crunch is worsening,” they said. “The markets should also be concerned about the delayed spring planting of grain in China.”

    The government reported 29,411 new cases Thursday, all but 3,020 with no symptoms. Shanghai accounted for 95% of that total, or 27,719 cases. All but 2,573 had no symptoms.

    A health official warned Wednesday that Shanghai didn’t have the virus under control despite its easing restrictions.

    Some 6.6 million people were allowed to leave their homes in areas that had no new cases for at least a week. But at least 15 million others still are barred from going outdoors.

    Most people have obeyed despite grumbling about shortages of food, medicine and access to elderly relatives who need help. But videos on the popular Sina Weibo social media service show some trading punches with police.

    Grape Chen, a data analyst in Shanghai, said she was panicking about getting medicines for her father, who is recovering from a stroke. She called police after getting no response from an official hotline but was told quarantine rules bar officers from helping.

    “We are willing to cooperate with the country,” Chen said. “But we also hope that our lives can be respected.”

    The city government of Suzhou, a center for smartphone manufacturing and other high-tech industry west of Shanghai, told its 18 million people to stay home when possible.

    Taiyuan, a blue-collar city of 4 million in central China, suspended inter-city bus service, according to the official China News Service. Ningde in the southeast barred residents from leaving.

    A restaurant cook in Taiyuan said his family has been confined to their apartment compound since April 3 after cases were found in neighboring compounds.

    “Our lives will be seriously affected if the restrictions last long,” said the cook, who would give only his surname, Chen.

    “My wife and I are earning nothing,” Chen said. “We have three children to support.”

    All but 13 of China’s 100 biggest cities by economic output are under some form of restrictions, according to Gavekal Dragonomics, a research firm.

    “The intensity is increasing,” Gavekal said in a report this week.

    The volume of cargo handled by the Shanghai port, the world’s busiest, has fallen 40%, according to an estimate by the European Union Chamber of Commerce in China. Automakers have suspended production due to disruption in deliveries of supplies.

    Restrictions on areas that produce the world's smartphones, consumer electronics and other goods are prompting forecasters to cut expectations for this year's economic growth to as low as 5%, down sharply from last year's 8.1% expansion.

    The ruling party’s target is 5.5%. Growth slid to 4% over a year earlier in the final quarter of 2021 after tighter official controls on debt triggered a collapse in home sales and construction, industries that support millions of jobs.

    Even before the latest shutdowns, the ruling party was promising tax refunds and other help for entrepreneurs who generate wealth and jobs.

    Premier Li Keqiang, the No. 2 leader and top economic official, called this week for “quicker rollout” of aid for businesses that face a “key juncture for survival,” China News Service reported.

    Under a strategy dubbed “dynamic clearing,” authorities are trying to use more targeted measures to isolate neighborhoods instead of whole cities with populations bigger than some countries. But some local leaders are imposing more sweeping controls.

    Shanghai leaders were criticized for trying to minimize economic damage by ordering testing but no shutdown once cases were found last month. A citywide shutdown was ordered with only a few hours' warning after case numbers soared.

    That was in contrast to Shenzhen, a tech and finance center of 17.5 million people near Hong Kong that closed the city March 13 after an outbreak and ordered mass testing. It reopened a week later and business returned to normal.

    Guangzhou has imitated Shenzhen. Most access to the city of 19 million was suspended Monday and mass testing ordered after 27 infections were found.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,399
    What China needs is a freedom convoy.
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    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,692
    China is certainly proving that the U.S. is not the only country that has politicized the virus. 

    Meanwhile, here in the good old yippee io ki yay wild west Trumpdorado County, California, masks are a thing of the past... except for a few of those pinko commie left wing radicals who still wear them... like me.  But the freedumb lovers know better so, hey, off with the masks!  Oh, except that these yahoos that a very good friend of mine has to work with might be/ probably are the reason why this friend is now suffering with a bad case of COVID.  Thanks a lot, brodozer cowboys.





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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,269
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Anyone else following this "COVID-Zero" lockdown in Shanghai, China? It's insane how those people are being treated. 
    Absolutely insane. I touched on it a few days ago here. No one seems interested in it. 
     I think people would prefer to ignore Shanghai, because it hits close to the bone of what people who were against masks and lockdowns were worried about happening here.
    Or... and stay with me here... none of us are surprised because it's China and China is a totalitarian society.  So when totalitarians act in a way that eliminates freedom and doesn't respect basic civil rights, we're not surprised.  I think your conclusion is far afield. 
    I disagree with both. I think it’s a case of who posted it is why it was ignored. The only response to bringing up China was “gross.” Had someone not right leaning brought it up, there would have been a discussion about how horrible it was. To be almost 2 1/2 years into this and China is still locking down and people are screaming is more than anyone probably predicted.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,871

    COVID shots still work but researchers hunt new improvements
    By LAURAN NEERGAARD
    Yesterday

    COVID-19 vaccinations are at a critical juncture as companies test whether new approaches like combination shots or nasal drops can keep up with a mutating coronavirus — even though it’s not clear if changes are needed.

    Already there’s public confusion about who should get a second booster now and who can wait. There's also debate about whether pretty much everyone might need an extra dose in the fall.

    “I’m very concerned about booster fatigue” causing a loss of confidence in vaccines that still offer very strong protection against COVID-19’s worst outcomes, said Dr. Beth Bell of the University of Washington, an adviser to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Despite success in preventing serious illness and death, there's growing pressure to develop vaccines better at fending off milder infections, too — as well as options to counter scary variants.

    “We go through a fire drill it seems like every quarter, every three months or so” when another mutant causes frantic tests to determine if the shots are holding, Pfizer vaccine chief Kathrin Jansen told a recent meeting of the New York Academy of Sciences.

    Yet seeking improvements for the next round of vaccinations may seem like a luxury for U.S. families anxious to protect their littlest children — kids under 5 who are not yet eligible for a shot. Moderna's Dr. Jacqueline Miller told The Associated Press that its application to give two low-dose shots to the youngest children would be submitted to the Food and Drug Administration “fairly soon.” Pfizer hasn't yet reported data on a third dose of its extra-small shot for tots, after two didn't prove strong enough.

    COMBINATION SHOTS MAY BE NEXT

    The original COVID-19 vaccines remain strongly protective against serious illness, hospitalization and death, especially after a booster dose, even against the most contagious variants.

    Updating the vaccine recipe to match the latest variants is risky, because the next mutant could be completely unrelated. So companies are taking a cue from the flu vaccine, which offers protection against three or four different strains in one shot every year.

    Moderna and Pfizer are testing 2-in-1 COVID-19 protection that they hope to offer this fall. Each “bivalent” shot would mix the original, proven vaccine with an omicron-targeted version.

    Moderna has a hint the approach could work. It tested a combo shot that targeted the original version of the virus and an earlier variant named beta — and found vaccine recipients developed modest levels of antibodies capable of fighting not just beta but also newer mutants like omicron. Moderna now is testing its omicron-targeted bivalent candidate.

    But there's a looming deadline. FDA's Dr. Doran Fink said if any updated shots are to be given in the fall, the agency would have to decide on a recipe change by early summer.

    DON’T EXPECT BOOSTERS EVERY FEW MONTHS

    For the average person, two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine plus one booster — a total of three shots — “gets you set up” and ready for what may become an annual booster, said Dr. David Kimberlin, a CDC adviser from the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

    After that first booster, CDC data suggests an additional dose offers most people an incremental, temporary benefit.

    Why the emphasis on three shots? Vaccination triggers development of antibodies that can fend off coronavirus infection but naturally wane over time. The next line of defense: Memory cells that jump into action to make new virus-fighters if an infection sneaks in. Rockefeller University researchers found those memory cells become more potent and able to target more diverse versions of the virus after the third shot.

    Even if someone who's vaccinated gets a mild infection, thanks to those memory cells “there's still plenty of time to protect you against severe illness,” said Dr. Paul Offit of the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

    But some people — those with severely weakened immune systems — need more doses up-front for a better chance at protection.

    And Americans 50 and older are being offered a second booster, following similar decisions by Israel and other countries that offer the extra shot to give older people a little more protection.

    The CDC is developing advice to help those eligible decide whether to get an extra shot now or wait. Among those who might want a second booster sooner are the elderly, people with health problems that make them particularly vulnerable, or who are at high risk of exposure from work or travel.

    COULD NASAL VACCINES BLOCK INFECTION?

    It’s hard for a shot in the arm to form lots of virus-fighting antibodies inside the nose where the coronavirus latches on. But a nasal vaccine might offer a new strategy to prevent infections that disrupt people’s everyday lives even if they’re mild.

    “When I think about what would make me get a second booster, I actually would want to prevent infection,” said Dr. Grace Lee of Stanford University, who chairs CDC’s immunization advisory committee. “I think we need to do better.”

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 37,871
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Anyone else following this "COVID-Zero" lockdown in Shanghai, China? It's insane how those people are being treated. 
    Absolutely insane. I touched on it a few days ago here. No one seems interested in it. 
     I think people would prefer to ignore Shanghai, because it hits close to the bone of what people who were against masks and lockdowns were worried about happening here.
    Or... and stay with me here... none of us are surprised because it's China and China is a totalitarian society.  So when totalitarians act in a way that eliminates freedom and doesn't respect basic civil rights, we're not surprised.  I think your conclusion is far afield. 
    I disagree with both. I think it’s a case of who posted it is why it was ignored. The only response to bringing up China was “gross.” Had someone not right leaning brought it up, there would have been a discussion about how horrible it was. To be almost 2 1/2 years into this and China is still locking down and people are screaming is more than anyone probably predicted.

    wonder if folks here have considered this, especially in light of what NYC faced, given the population of China and its largest cities...


    Content Preview      Shanghai — 23.4 million people     Beijing — 18.8 million people     Tianjin — 12.8 million people     Shenzhen — 12.7 million people     Guangzhou — 11.6 million people      Chengdu — 10.2 million people     Chongqing — 8.5 million people     Dongguan — 8.3 million people     Shenyang — 7.9 million people     Wuhan — 7.9 million people 

    wonder how many beds they have in each location to handle case counts without such a heavy hand.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,404
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Anyone else following this "COVID-Zero" lockdown in Shanghai, China? It's insane how those people are being treated. 
    Absolutely insane. I touched on it a few days ago here. No one seems interested in it. 
     I think people would prefer to ignore Shanghai, because it hits close to the bone of what people who were against masks and lockdowns were worried about happening here.
    Or... and stay with me here... none of us are surprised because it's China and China is a totalitarian society.  So when totalitarians act in a way that eliminates freedom and doesn't respect basic civil rights, we're not surprised.  I think your conclusion is far afield. 
    I disagree with both. I think it’s a case of who posted it is why it was ignored. The only response to bringing up China was “gross.” Had someone not right leaning brought it up, there would have been a discussion about how horrible it was. To be almost 2 1/2 years into this and China is still locking down and people are screaming is more than anyone probably predicted.
    Well you're wrong when it pertains to me specifically and guessing on the rest of the crew.  No I didn't 'predict' that they would be locked down 2 1/2 years later but at the same time, I didn't give it any thought either.  I'm not currently a contributing writer to a Chinese think tank so don't give it much thought.  I'd be surprised if anyone else gives it much thought either. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,399
    It’s fucking China, the world’s largest surveillance state and population control (one child policy, anyone?) conglomeration and we’re supposed to be surprised or outraged? Where have you been since Tiananmen Square?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,553
    the country that executes people for importing american movies does not surprise me in the least what they are doing. 
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,836
    Gross.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,527
    Wait wait wait...people are seriously comparing what's happing in fucking China to our mandates in the US? Is that seriously happening here? 

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 36,553
    Wait wait wait...people are seriously comparing what's happing in fucking China to our mandates in the US? Is that seriously happening here? 

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    I don't see that happening. All I see is people mentioning it and wondering why no one seems to be interested in addressing it. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,527
    Wait wait wait...people are seriously comparing what's happing in fucking China to our mandates in the US? Is that seriously happening here? 

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    I don't see that happening. All I see is people mentioning it and wondering why no one seems to be interested in addressing it. 
    Someone mentioned the reason people didn't want to talk about it was because it hits close to home for the anti maskers as they feared that happening here or something. I find that notion to be quite ridiculous.
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