Viruses / Vaccines 2

bbiggs

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/

I'll believe the Mayo Clinic over Fox News

I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone. 

Don't beat yourself up, man.  Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise.  This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either.  Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important.  If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch.  If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario.  The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic.  We all know the benefits of masks.  Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch.  If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap. 

Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical.  And opening the windows in winter?  Sounds like a good idea.  Good grief.

Halifax2TheMax

bbiggs said:

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/

I'll believe the Mayo Clinic over Fox News

I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone. 

Don't beat yourself up, man.  Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise.  This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either.  Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important.  If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch.  If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario.  The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic.  We all know the benefits of masks.  Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch.  If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap. 

Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical.  And opening the windows in winter?  Sounds like a good idea.  Good grief.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-speaking-without-mask-easiest-way-spread-covid-19

cblock4life

AW124797 said:

cblock4life said:

If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen.  After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated.  Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period. 

What a load of horse manure.

Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time.  Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke 

mrussel1

cblock4life said:

AW124797 said:

cblock4life said:

If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen.  After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated.  Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period. 

What a load of horse manure.

Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time.  Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke 

Haha.  Call it out.

bbiggs

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/

I'll believe the Mayo Clinic over Fox News

I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone. 

Don't beat yourself up, man.  Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise.  This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either.  Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important.  If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch.  If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario.  The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic.  We all know the benefits of masks.  Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch.  If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap. 

Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical.  And opening the windows in winter?  Sounds like a good idea.  Good grief.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-speaking-without-mask-easiest-way-spread-covid-19

Can't quite tip my cap from this alone.  It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk).  In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices.  There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.

cblock4life

I honestly feel bad for all of you with children having to deal with this mess.  It’s bad enough you have to manage the whole social media issues and now this…I wouldn’t know what to do so how you’re all figuring out is beyond me. All I can do is wish you guys the best and tell you to take care of yourselves and your babies.  

Halifax2TheMax

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/

I'll believe the Mayo Clinic over Fox News

I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone. 

Don't beat yourself up, man.  Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise.  This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either.  Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important.  If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch.  If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario.  The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic.  We all know the benefits of masks.  Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch.  If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap. 

Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical.  And opening the windows in winter?  Sounds like a good idea.  Good grief.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-speaking-without-mask-easiest-way-spread-covid-19

Can't quite tip my cap from this alone.  It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk).  In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices.  There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.

I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.

Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.

AW124797

cblock4life said:

AW124797 said:

cblock4life said:

If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen.  After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated.  Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period. 

What a load of horse manure.

Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time.  Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke 

Sorry you felt that way. I wasn't targeting you, but any post with such imbecilic claim deserves a comment on a public forum. That's all. Be well.

bootlegger10

So do people really think that kids talking at lunch instead of being silent is going to impact the pandemic?  

Are we talking like .001% more deaths?  It just seems silly that kids already together being allowed to talk is going to prolong the pandemic.  Insanity.  Adults are getting together and talking EVERYWHERE and nobody is staying silent and adults are more at risk than kids.  It is insane.

I wonder how much of it is about liability.  Somebody talked to my kid and gave him Covid so I am going to sue the school.

PJNB

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/

I'll believe the Mayo Clinic over Fox News

I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone. 

Don't beat yourself up, man.  Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise.  This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either.  Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important.  If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch.  If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario.  The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic.  We all know the benefits of masks.  Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch.  If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap. 

Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical.  And opening the windows in winter?  Sounds like a good idea.  Good grief.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-speaking-without-mask-easiest-way-spread-covid-19

Can't quite tip my cap from this alone.  It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk).  In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices.  There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.

I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.

Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.

There are no teachers in the room. There are teachers that walk the halls to monitor the kids to make sure they are ok and of course not talking. They are in their classroom that they have been in all day since they are not allowed to move around and are spaced out. 20 minutes of silence from a group of 20 kids that are 5 years old. Amazing that there is support in this group for that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If that was your kid though and you got an email that your kid was talking during lunch and that you are to talk to the child to tell them to keep quiet while they eat maybe you might feel a bit different. Then again maybe not. 


@bbiggs You are spot on with restaurants being open and the adults and kids are allowed to talk there of course. What about the waiters/waitresses in these situations? If we are protecting teachers why are we not protecting restaurant workers? I beat myself up all the time as a father and these last two years has been rough. Thanks for your comments. 


Edit: Now that I think about it could you imagine a rule for adults to eat at a restaurant they are not allowed to talk? That would make huge headlines would it not? Why are kids ok to have these restrictions put on but us their role models would not even follow with that science? 

bbiggs

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/

I'll believe the Mayo Clinic over Fox News

I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone. 

Don't beat yourself up, man.  Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise.  This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either.  Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important.  If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch.  If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario.  The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic.  We all know the benefits of masks.  Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch.  If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap. 

Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical.  And opening the windows in winter?  Sounds like a good idea.  Good grief.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-speaking-without-mask-easiest-way-spread-covid-19

Can't quite tip my cap from this alone.  It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk).  In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices.  There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.

I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.

Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.

I hear what you’re saying and appreciate the comments.  I just find this so nonsensical when we are told it’s safe for adults to dine at a restaurant with mask down, eating and speaking.  Children in this case are given different rules.  Inconsistencies are a common theme throughout the pandemic though. Any of us that are parents with young children are experiencing the same challenges. It sucks. 

And I agree that children are the least at risk, but to my earlier point, the adult(s) in the room with them (teachers in this case) are told it’s okay to go dine indoors and speak while doing so, but with kids in the room it changes. It’s the inconsistencies that leave so many of us puzzled with the decisions being made by those in authority. 

bbiggs

PJNB said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/

I'll believe the Mayo Clinic over Fox News

I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone. 

Don't beat yourself up, man.  Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise.  This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either.  Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important.  If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch.  If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario.  The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic.  We all know the benefits of masks.  Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch.  If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap. 

Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical.  And opening the windows in winter?  Sounds like a good idea.  Good grief.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-speaking-without-mask-easiest-way-spread-covid-19

Can't quite tip my cap from this alone.  It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk).  In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices.  There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.

I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.

Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.

There are no teachers in the room. There are teachers that walk the halls to monitor the kids to make sure they are ok and of course not talking. They are in their classroom that they have been in all day since they are not allowed to move around and are spaced out. 20 minutes of silence from a group of 20 kids that are 5 years old. Amazing that there is support in this group for that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. If that was your kid though and you got an email that your kid was talking during lunch and that you are to talk to the child to tell them to keep quiet while they eat maybe you might feel a bit different. Then again maybe not. 


@bbiggs You are spot on with restaurants being open and the adults and kids are allowed to talk there of course. What about the waiters/waitresses in these situations? If we are protecting teachers why are we not protecting restaurant workers? I beat myself up all the time as a father and these last two years has been rough. Thanks for your comments. 


Edit: Now that I think about it could you imagine a rule for adults to eat at a restaurant they are not allowed to talk? That would make huge headlines would it not? Why are kids ok to have these restrictions put on but us their role models would not even follow with that science? 

No teachers in the room changes the conversation.  Who are they protecting at this point?  Crazy stuff.  I have my qualms with our school district about certain things, but this is next level. 

dankind

Damn, I remember having five-year-olds. 

Twenty minutes of silence would’ve been golden. 

oftenreading

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/

I'll believe the Mayo Clinic over Fox News

I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone. 

Don't beat yourself up, man.  Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise.  This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either.  Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important.  If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch.  If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario.  The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic.  We all know the benefits of masks.  Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch.  If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap. 

Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical.  And opening the windows in winter?  Sounds like a good idea.  Good grief.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-speaking-without-mask-easiest-way-spread-covid-19

Can't quite tip my cap from this alone.  It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk).  In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices.  There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.

I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.

Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.

I hear what you’re saying and appreciate the comments.  I just find this so nonsensical when we are told it’s safe for adults to dine at a restaurant with mask down, eating and speaking.  Children in this case are given different rules.  Inconsistencies are a common theme throughout the pandemic though. Any of us that are parents with young children are experiencing the same challenges. It sucks. 

And I agree that children are the least at risk, but to my earlier point, the adult(s) in the room with them (teachers in this case) are told it’s okay to go dine indoors and speak while doing so, but with kids in the room it changes. It’s the inconsistencies that leave so many of us puzzled with the decisions being made by those in authority. 

I don't agree with this apparent rule that kids should not be talking while eating lunch, but I also think you should recognize that no one has said with any scientific justification that it is "safe" for adults to dine at a restaurant. It's not "safe"; in fact, depending on multiple factors like case counts in the city and other public health restrictions it's actually one of the riskier things you can be doing during covid. Don't confuse the fact that it's permitted in most places with the idea that it's safe. 

Halifax2TheMax

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/

I'll believe the Mayo Clinic over Fox News

I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone. 

Don't beat yourself up, man.  Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise.  This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either.  Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important.  If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch.  If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario.  The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic.  We all know the benefits of masks.  Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch.  If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap. 

Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical.  And opening the windows in winter?  Sounds like a good idea.  Good grief.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-speaking-without-mask-easiest-way-spread-covid-19

Can't quite tip my cap from this alone.  It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk).  In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices.  There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.

I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.

Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.

I hear what you’re saying and appreciate the comments.  I just find this so nonsensical when we are told it’s safe for adults to dine at a restaurant with mask down, eating and speaking.  Children in this case are given different rules.  Inconsistencies are a common theme throughout the pandemic though. Any of us that are parents with young children are experiencing the same challenges. It sucks. 

And I agree that children are the least at risk, but to my earlier point, the adult(s) in the room with them (teachers in this case) are told it’s okay to go dine indoors and speak while doing so, but with kids in the room it changes. It’s the inconsistencies that leave so many of us puzzled with the decisions being made by those in authority. 

Teachers outside of the classroom have choices. Inside the classroom, not so much. I’d bet that most teachers would be fine with a no mask lunch and let the kids gab. But if you’re (general you) that one teacher with compromised immune system, comorbidities or underlying health issues, you can’t avoid it. You’re self isolating, not going out in crowds, being cautious and then you show up for work and you’re thinking everyone of those kids is the grim reaper. 

Knowing the kids are alone in the classroom while eating? Let em let loose, but maybe make them vacate the room, open the windows and air the place out. It’s about minimizing risk and having some semblance of balance.

I’d love to see anyone who’s not a teacher to step into the roll for a month or two in normal times, never mind during these covid times. It’s one thing when it’s your kid but a roomful of someone else’s? It takes a special person to show up and deal, day in and day out for a career to retire from. I can’t imagine.

Are those with kids on here engaged with the PTO, school board, superintendent, principal or town council or equivalent? All politics, and “policy” can be local.

bbiggs

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/

I'll believe the Mayo Clinic over Fox News

I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone. 

Don't beat yourself up, man.  Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise.  This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either.  Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important.  If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch.  If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario.  The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic.  We all know the benefits of masks.  Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch.  If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap. 

Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical.  And opening the windows in winter?  Sounds like a good idea.  Good grief.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-speaking-without-mask-easiest-way-spread-covid-19

Can't quite tip my cap from this alone.  It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk).  In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices.  There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.

I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.

Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.

I hear what you’re saying and appreciate the comments.  I just find this so nonsensical when we are told it’s safe for adults to dine at a restaurant with mask down, eating and speaking.  Children in this case are given different rules.  Inconsistencies are a common theme throughout the pandemic though. Any of us that are parents with young children are experiencing the same challenges. It sucks. 

And I agree that children are the least at risk, but to my earlier point, the adult(s) in the room with them (teachers in this case) are told it’s okay to go dine indoors and speak while doing so, but with kids in the room it changes. It’s the inconsistencies that leave so many of us puzzled with the decisions being made by those in authority. 

I don't agree with this apparent rule that kids should not be talking while eating lunch, but I also think you should recognize that no one has said with any scientific justification that it is "safe" for adults to dine at a restaurant. It's not "safe"; in fact, depending on multiple factors like case counts in the city and other public health restrictions it's actually one of the riskier things you can be doing during covid. Don't confuse the fact that it's permitted in most places with the idea that it's safe. 

Fair enough. Permitted for adults, who are exponentially at higher risk, and not permitted for children is nonsensical and certainly not following the science. 

Halifax2TheMax

Classrooms with teachers and kids = restaurants with adults and waitstaff? Got it. I’m a teacher (I’m not), I can choose to go to a restaurant but can I choose to show up to my classroom? Fully masked, vaccinated and boosted? Fuck it, quit, you lazy, overpaid SOB.

Smellyman

bbiggs said:

oftenreading said:

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bbiggs said:

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/benefits-of-kids-wearing-masks-in-school/

I'll believe the Mayo Clinic over Fox News

I am not sure why you keep bringing up fox news and rightwing bits. I am a Canadian who leans left. I think masks work. I do not think stopping my kids from socializing and talking with other kids while they sit at their desk and eat for 20 mins is a benefit to anyone. 

Don't beat yourself up, man.  Your concerns are valid and you won't convince those with different viewpoints otherwise.  This isn't about politics, but again, you won't convince others of that either.  Socialization amongst 5 and 7 year olds is important.  If the schools near you are taking these measures, I assume they space the children out 6 feet for lunch.  If my assumption is correct, I'd like to see a scientific study that proves kids that eat with their masks down that simply breathe (no talking) are less likely to spread covid than a child that actually speaks in the same exact scenario.  The posted article about benefits of kids wearing masks is irrelevant to this topic.  We all know the benefits of masks.  Show me the benefit of a kid simply breathing vs. speaking when spaced out 6 feet for a 20 minute lunch.  If I'm proven wrong, I will tip my cap. 

Furthermore, if it is okay for adults to sit in a restaurant and dine with masks down in your area, and also to speak while doing so, then this is even more nonsensical.  And opening the windows in winter?  Sounds like a good idea.  Good grief.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/why-speaking-without-mask-easiest-way-spread-covid-19

Can't quite tip my cap from this alone.  It does not address the 6 foot distance factor and emphasizes the volume when speaking (louder voices = more risk).  In a classroom for 5 and 7 year olds, it is safe to assume that the teacher would enforce 12 inch voices.  There is solid data here, in general terms, but not fully applicable to our situation and not enough to convince me that these kids are super spreading when having a sandwich for twenty minutes and talking to a friend.

I read something much more definitive a while back that compared mask wearing to exhaling sans mask to speaking, to singing to shouting. It spoke to viral loads, distance traveled and included pictures of colored mists being used as folks demonstrated each action. I couldn’t find the original during a quick search but the article I linked appears to cover the same issues.

Have you ever been in a room with 20-35 5 to 17 year olds when they’re all trying to speak at once? Recognize the term “inside voices?” The din I can hear hurts my ears. Doesn’t the term “superspreader” apply to situations where more than three people at the same event end up testing positive? The teacher, most at risk, is probably 1 of maybe 5 adults at risk during lunch in a cafeteria or in their classroom. Covid is the least risk to children. It’s not just about the children.

I hear what you’re saying and appreciate the comments.  I just find this so nonsensical when we are told it’s safe for adults to dine at a restaurant with mask down, eating and speaking.  Children in this case are given different rules.  Inconsistencies are a common theme throughout the pandemic though. Any of us that are parents with young children are experiencing the same challenges. It sucks. 

And I agree that children are the least at risk, but to my earlier point, the adult(s) in the room with them (teachers in this case) are told it’s okay to go dine indoors and speak while doing so, but with kids in the room it changes. It’s the inconsistencies that leave so many of us puzzled with the decisions being made by those in authority. 

I don't agree with this apparent rule that kids should not be talking while eating lunch, but I also think you should recognize that no one has said with any scientific justification that it is "safe" for adults to dine at a restaurant. It's not "safe"; in fact, depending on multiple factors like case counts in the city and other public health restrictions it's actually one of the riskier things you can be doing during covid. Don't confuse the fact that it's permitted in most places with the idea that it's safe. 

Fair enough. Permitted for adults, who are exponentially at higher risk, and not permitted for children is nonsensical and certainly not following the science. 

Kids can pass it between kids and pass it everywhere they go and not just the 30 minutes while eating.

PJNB

An email was sent out last night I guess. Kids can talk quietly during lunch time. Very happy to see that this morning. 

mickeyrat

AW124797 said:

cblock4life said:

AW124797 said:

cblock4life said:

If Jesus Christ came down from the sky and told everyone to get vaccinated there would still be those who would not listen.  After all the vaccines given and all the people who survived them, how they’ve protected almost all from severe illness and death and all those unvaccinated who’ve been sick and died it proves the vaccine is safe. If everyone would have listened from the beginning this would be over by now. For gods sake even trump tells them to get vaccinated.  Bottom line, the unvaccinated are to blame. Period. 

What a load of horse manure.

Quit stalking me….already told you not worth my time.  Can’t fight with men huh? And your profile is private….what a fucking joke 

Sorry you felt that way. I wasn't targeting you, but any post with such imbecilic claim deserves a comment on a public forum. That's all. Be well.

what a load of horse manure