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Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?JB16057 said:
How is this blaming immigrants?Halifax2TheMax said:
What is it then?JB16057 said:
That isn't blaming immigrants.Halifax2TheMax said:
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?JB16057 said:
No one here is blaming immigrants....Halifax2TheMax said:It always comes around to blaming the immigrants. Always.
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Not true. NY requires vaccinations.static111 said:
But American children don't have to be vaccinated to go to school so why should immigrant children?mrussel1 said:
Thanks. 100% they should not be allowed in school until vaccinated. This jeopardizes the health of the whole communityJB16057 said:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/controversy-arises-as-new-york-allows-unvaccinated-migrant-children-in-schools-state-attorney-general-letitia-james-influx-measles-chickenpox-tetanus-health-concernsmrussel1 said:
Where is that a thing? If it's true, then yes I would be very much against any student going to school without the vaccinations. Please share.JB16057 said:
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?mrussel1 said:
That's fine, but don't expect to use all of the benefits of the society in that case. And yes, I have three kids.JB16057 said:
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?lastexitlondon said:And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.WASHINGTON (TND) — When returning to the classroom most have to be vaccinated but New York struggling to deal with an influx of migrant children is now allowing them to attend school and they don't need to have their paperwork on vaccinations.
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Not true. NY requires vaccinations.static111 said:
But American children don't have to be vaccinated to go to school so why should immigrant children?mrussel1 said:
Thanks. 100% they should not be allowed in school until vaccinated. This jeopardizes the health of the whole communityJB16057 said:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/controversy-arises-as-new-york-allows-unvaccinated-migrant-children-in-schools-state-attorney-general-letitia-james-influx-measles-chickenpox-tetanus-health-concernsmrussel1 said:
Where is that a thing? If it's true, then yes I would be very much against any student going to school without the vaccinations. Please share.JB16057 said:
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?mrussel1 said:
That's fine, but don't expect to use all of the benefits of the society in that case. And yes, I have three kids.JB16057 said:
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?lastexitlondon said:And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.WASHINGTON (TND) — When returning to the classroom most have to be vaccinated but New York struggling to deal with an influx of migrant children is now allowing them to attend school and they don't need to have their paperwork on vaccinations.
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Are you going to pay back what was spent on you to go to school as a child then?mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?lastexitlondon said:And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.ohhh fan fucking tastic!!!!does this mean ONLY parents should fund s hooks through property taxes then? I want a refund......ummm my parents paid property taxes._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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What? You didn’t have a job in second grade and pull yerself up by yer bootstraps? Freeloader, eh? Yer what’s wrong with ‘Murica. Go back to where you came from. We can’t afford youse.mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Are you going to pay back what was spent on you to go to school as a child then?mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?lastexitlondon said:And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.ohhh fan fucking tastic!!!!does this mean ONLY parents should fund s hooks through property taxes then? I want a refund......ummm my parents paid property taxes.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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What? You didn’t have a job in second grade and pull yerself up by yer bootstraps? Freeloader, eh? Yer what’s wrong with ‘Murica. Go back to where you came from. We can’t afford youse.mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Are you going to pay back what was spent on you to go to school as a child then?mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?lastexitlondon said:And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.ohhh fan fucking tastic!!!!does this mean ONLY parents should fund s hooks through property taxes then? I want a refund......ummm my parents paid property taxes.
Well look man, all y'all are a bunch o' pencil necks. When I was in elementary school, we got up a 5 AM, milked the cows and feed the chickens, walked 10 miles to school- both ways- and worked in the coal mines until 11 PM. Amurca is gotten itself weak, man, WEAK!
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But I bet you had shoes, eh? Talk about weak.brianlux said:Halifax2TheMax said:
What? You didn’t have a job in second grade and pull yerself up by yer bootstraps? Freeloader, eh? Yer what’s wrong with ‘Murica. Go back to where you came from. We can’t afford youse.mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Are you going to pay back what was spent on you to go to school as a child then?mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?lastexitlondon said:And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.ohhh fan fucking tastic!!!!does this mean ONLY parents should fund s hooks through property taxes then? I want a refund......ummm my parents paid property taxes.
Well look man, all y'all are a bunch o' pencil necks. When I was in elementary school, we got up a 5 AM, milked the cows and feed the chickens, walked 10 miles to school- both ways- and worked in the coal mines until 11 PM. Amurca is gotten itself weak, man, WEAK!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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State. Religious exemptions aren't accepted since 2019.brianlux said:AW124797 said:
Not true. NY requires vaccinations.static111 said:
But American children don't have to be vaccinated to go to school so why should immigrant children?mrussel1 said:
Thanks. 100% they should not be allowed in school until vaccinated. This jeopardizes the health of the whole communityJB16057 said:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/controversy-arises-as-new-york-allows-unvaccinated-migrant-children-in-schools-state-attorney-general-letitia-james-influx-measles-chickenpox-tetanus-health-concernsmrussel1 said:
Where is that a thing? If it's true, then yes I would be very much against any student going to school without the vaccinations. Please share.JB16057 said:
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?mrussel1 said:
That's fine, but don't expect to use all of the benefits of the society in that case. And yes, I have three kids.JB16057 said:
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?lastexitlondon said:And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.WASHINGTON (TND) — When returning to the classroom most have to be vaccinated but New York struggling to deal with an influx of migrant children is now allowing them to attend school and they don't need to have their paperwork on vaccinations.
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They are where I live. It's definitely a state/ local issue, not federal.static111 said:
But American children don't have to be vaccinated to go to school so why should immigrant children?mrussel1 said:
Thanks. 100% they should not be allowed in school until vaccinated. This jeopardizes the health of the whole communityJB16057 said:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/controversy-arises-as-new-york-allows-unvaccinated-migrant-children-in-schools-state-attorney-general-letitia-james-influx-measles-chickenpox-tetanus-health-concernsmrussel1 said:
Where is that a thing? If it's true, then yes I would be very much against any student going to school without the vaccinations. Please share.JB16057 said:
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?mrussel1 said:
That's fine, but don't expect to use all of the benefits of the society in that case. And yes, I have three kids.JB16057 said:
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?lastexitlondon said:And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.WASHINGTON (TND) — When returning to the classroom most have to be vaccinated but New York struggling to deal with an influx of migrant children is now allowing them to attend school and they don't need to have their paperwork on vaccinations.
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Looks like only 6 states require this, the rest allow varying dissent on this issue. Interesting that Religious exemptions are allowed in some states but personal beliefs aren't.mrussel1 said:
They are where I live. It's definitely a state/ local issue, not federal.static111 said:
But American children don't have to be vaccinated to go to school so why should immigrant children?mrussel1 said:
Thanks. 100% they should not be allowed in school until vaccinated. This jeopardizes the health of the whole communityJB16057 said:
https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/controversy-arises-as-new-york-allows-unvaccinated-migrant-children-in-schools-state-attorney-general-letitia-james-influx-measles-chickenpox-tetanus-health-concernsmrussel1 said:
Where is that a thing? If it's true, then yes I would be very much against any student going to school without the vaccinations. Please share.JB16057 said:
Where's your outrage about the illegal immigrants sending their kids off to school without their vaccinations? If I don't get to use the benefits of society as an American citizen paying taxes, illegal immigrants shouldn't be getting those benefits either. It's only fair, right?mrussel1 said:
That's fine, but don't expect to use all of the benefits of the society in that case. And yes, I have three kids.JB16057 said:
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?lastexitlondon said:And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.WASHINGTON (TND) — When returning to the classroom most have to be vaccinated but New York struggling to deal with an influx of migrant children is now allowing them to attend school and they don't need to have their paperwork on vaccinations.
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Halifax2TheMax said:
But I bet you had shoes, eh? Talk about weak.brianlux said:Halifax2TheMax said:
What? You didn’t have a job in second grade and pull yerself up by yer bootstraps? Freeloader, eh? Yer what’s wrong with ‘Murica. Go back to where you came from. We can’t afford youse.mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Are you going to pay back what was spent on you to go to school as a child then?mickeyrat said:JB16057 said:
Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?lastexitlondon said:And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.ohhh fan fucking tastic!!!!does this mean ONLY parents should fund s hooks through property taxes then? I want a refund......ummm my parents paid property taxes.
Well look man, all y'all are a bunch o' pencil necks. When I was in elementary school, we got up a 5 AM, milked the cows and feed the chickens, walked 10 miles to school- both ways- and worked in the coal mines until 11 PM. Amurca is gotten itself weak, man, WEAK!Haha! Well, it's true, I have to admit it. Kind of stylish too!
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Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.Things were different then0
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Where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate, and where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate leading to death. If they're just hypothetical, then you're just fear-mongering.Evel K said:Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate, and where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate leading to death. If they're just hypothetical, then you're just fear-mongering.Evel K said:Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.
If Evel K were right, then I must be quite lucky because between myself and everyone I know well and the people they know, I don't know of or heard of a single soul- surely not one out of a hundred- who have had severe adverse affects due to the vaccination, let alone died from it, let alone one out of a thousand even.
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Yes but imagine if that number is now 2%! It is so dangerous, that every time I type it, the invented number increases. It's just math, man.benjs said:
Where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate, and where are you getting an idea of a 1% adverse event rate leading to death. If they're just hypothetical, then you're just fear-mongering.Evel K said:Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.0 -
“we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death”Evel K said:Someone check my math. 8 billion people in the world. 13 billion shots administered. If I use two shots and a booster that would be about 4 billion people vaccinated. I personally think that number is high and it's probably more like 2 billion people that got initial 2 and multiple boosters. Here's the math part. If 4 billion people are vaccinated and we end up having a 1% adverse event rate leading to death how many people could the vaccine have the potential to kill? Hint: It's 5x greater than the current covid deaths worldwide total of 7 million.
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Yes, I understand they aren't mandated anywhere. But I was responding to your comment. Someone posted they don't plan to vaccinate their kids, and you no one makes you do anything, just don't complain when they can't go to school.mrussel1 said:
Kids aren't mandated, anywhere. It seems like you are applying what we know now,, after the less deadly mutations, to decisions that were made before we had that knowledge. And I say that because of the comparison to Influenza, which is a fair one today, but absurd for the first two stains.mace1229 said:
I'm not disagreeing with that.mrussel1 said:
But we knew in 2020/21 what the virus was doing to the elderly. Let's not conflate that higher mortality strain to the strains of the past 18 monthsmace1229 said:
I would argue that is "making" them do it if they can't participate in society. Many vaccines should be required. I'm not on board with requiring the covid vaccine yet. We don't require the flu shot, and kids get the flu and spread it to elderly all the time.mrussel1 said:
No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine. But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society, including school.bootlegger10 said:
If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it. I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary. Not an easy choice.mrussel1 said:
When your symptoms are lighter, you are less contagious. You sneeze less,, have lower viral load, less mucus. So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.bootlegger10 said:
I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it. My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.mrussel1 said:
If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house, would you give the child a vaccine?bootlegger10 said:If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue. I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.I think my answer would be no.
The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk. It was the teachers, staff and families that were at a greater risk.
But we didn't have the vaccine until almost halfway though 2021. It wasn't approved for kids until even later. So vaccinating children didn't;t impact the high death dolls for the elderly in the early months of the virus.
I'm just saying at this stage, I don't think kids should be mandated to take the vaccine. And refusing them an education is making someone do something. I don't think any states have done that, but that was your example I responded to. If denied entry to school over a vaccine, that is making someone take it.
It was hypothetical because you're right, it is not mandated. But if they ever were to require it to go to school, that qualifies as making someone take it in my book. And at this point, I don't think it should be mandated. Maybe in the future, maybe not. I don't know.0 -
Mandates have always been determined situationally, but the way it's been discussed is like some people want to point-blank accept ceding decision-making power to the government. That's far from the truth, and why I don't understand the opposition to situational nuance.mace1229 said:
Yes, I understand they aren't mandated anywhere. But I was responding to your comment. Someone posted they don't plan to vaccinate their kids, and you no one makes you do anything, just don't complain when they can't go to school.mrussel1 said:
Kids aren't mandated, anywhere. It seems like you are applying what we know now,, after the less deadly mutations, to decisions that were made before we had that knowledge. And I say that because of the comparison to Influenza, which is a fair one today, but absurd for the first two stains.mace1229 said:
I'm not disagreeing with that.mrussel1 said:
But we knew in 2020/21 what the virus was doing to the elderly. Let's not conflate that higher mortality strain to the strains of the past 18 monthsmace1229 said:
I would argue that is "making" them do it if they can't participate in society. Many vaccines should be required. I'm not on board with requiring the covid vaccine yet. We don't require the flu shot, and kids get the flu and spread it to elderly all the time.mrussel1 said:
No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine. But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society, including school.bootlegger10 said:
If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it. I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary. Not an easy choice.mrussel1 said:
When your symptoms are lighter, you are less contagious. You sneeze less,, have lower viral load, less mucus. So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.bootlegger10 said:
I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it. My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.mrussel1 said:
If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house, would you give the child a vaccine?bootlegger10 said:If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue. I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.I think my answer would be no.
The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk. It was the teachers, staff and families that were at a greater risk.
But we didn't have the vaccine until almost halfway though 2021. It wasn't approved for kids until even later. So vaccinating children didn't;t impact the high death dolls for the elderly in the early months of the virus.
I'm just saying at this stage, I don't think kids should be mandated to take the vaccine. And refusing them an education is making someone do something. I don't think any states have done that, but that was your example I responded to. If denied entry to school over a vaccine, that is making someone take it.
It was hypothetical because you're right, it is not mandated. But if they ever were to require it to go to school, that qualifies as making someone take it in my book. And at this point, I don't think it should be mandated. Maybe in the future, maybe not. I don't know.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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I don't think it will be mandated unless some terrible mutant strain shows up. Now we have vaccines, treatments that work very well and the virus continues to mutate in a way that seems to be less deadly. Also our bodies have adapted.mace1229 said:
Yes, I understand they aren't mandated anywhere. But I was responding to your comment. Someone posted they don't plan to vaccinate their kids, and you no one makes you do anything, just don't complain when they can't go to school.mrussel1 said:
Kids aren't mandated, anywhere. It seems like you are applying what we know now,, after the less deadly mutations, to decisions that were made before we had that knowledge. And I say that because of the comparison to Influenza, which is a fair one today, but absurd for the first two stains.mace1229 said:
I'm not disagreeing with that.mrussel1 said:
But we knew in 2020/21 what the virus was doing to the elderly. Let's not conflate that higher mortality strain to the strains of the past 18 monthsmace1229 said:
I would argue that is "making" them do it if they can't participate in society. Many vaccines should be required. I'm not on board with requiring the covid vaccine yet. We don't require the flu shot, and kids get the flu and spread it to elderly all the time.mrussel1 said:
No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine. But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society, including school.bootlegger10 said:
If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it. I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary. Not an easy choice.mrussel1 said:
When your symptoms are lighter, you are less contagious. You sneeze less,, have lower viral load, less mucus. So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.bootlegger10 said:
I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it. My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.mrussel1 said:
If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house, would you give the child a vaccine?bootlegger10 said:If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue. I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.I think my answer would be no.
The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk. It was the teachers, staff and families that were at a greater risk.
But we didn't have the vaccine until almost halfway though 2021. It wasn't approved for kids until even later. So vaccinating children didn't;t impact the high death dolls for the elderly in the early months of the virus.
I'm just saying at this stage, I don't think kids should be mandated to take the vaccine. And refusing them an education is making someone do something. I don't think any states have done that, but that was your example I responded to. If denied entry to school over a vaccine, that is making someone take it.
It was hypothetical because you're right, it is not mandated. But if they ever were to require it to go to school, that qualifies as making someone take it in my book. And at this point, I don't think it should be mandated. Maybe in the future, maybe not. I don't know.
But I don't necessarily agree with your statement about what constitutes a mandate. I would say that the measles shot is mandated to attend public school, but not mandated to be a citizen, avoid a fine or avoid jail. That's a mandate.0 -
I remember when I went to college I had to show proof of my MMR vaccine (measles, mumps, rubella) I had that vaccine as a kid but my mom couldn’t find my records. So I had to retake it or the school would drop my registration. So I retook it. It was no big deal.mrussel1 said:
I don't think it will be mandated unless some terrible mutant strain shows up. Now we have vaccines, treatments that work very well and the virus continues to mutate in a way that seems to be less deadly. Also our bodies have adapted.mace1229 said:
Yes, I understand they aren't mandated anywhere. But I was responding to your comment. Someone posted they don't plan to vaccinate their kids, and you no one makes you do anything, just don't complain when they can't go to school.mrussel1 said:
Kids aren't mandated, anywhere. It seems like you are applying what we know now,, after the less deadly mutations, to decisions that were made before we had that knowledge. And I say that because of the comparison to Influenza, which is a fair one today, but absurd for the first two stains.mace1229 said:
I'm not disagreeing with that.mrussel1 said:
But we knew in 2020/21 what the virus was doing to the elderly. Let's not conflate that higher mortality strain to the strains of the past 18 monthsmace1229 said:
I would argue that is "making" them do it if they can't participate in society. Many vaccines should be required. I'm not on board with requiring the covid vaccine yet. We don't require the flu shot, and kids get the flu and spread it to elderly all the time.mrussel1 said:
No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine. But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society, including school.bootlegger10 said:
If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it. I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary. Not an easy choice.mrussel1 said:
When your symptoms are lighter, you are less contagious. You sneeze less,, have lower viral load, less mucus. So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.bootlegger10 said:
I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it. My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.mrussel1 said:
If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house, would you give the child a vaccine?bootlegger10 said:If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue. I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.I think my answer would be no.
The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk. It was the teachers, staff and families that were at a greater risk.
But we didn't have the vaccine until almost halfway though 2021. It wasn't approved for kids until even later. So vaccinating children didn't;t impact the high death dolls for the elderly in the early months of the virus.
I'm just saying at this stage, I don't think kids should be mandated to take the vaccine. And refusing them an education is making someone do something. I don't think any states have done that, but that was your example I responded to. If denied entry to school over a vaccine, that is making someone take it.
It was hypothetical because you're right, it is not mandated. But if they ever were to require it to go to school, that qualifies as making someone take it in my book. And at this point, I don't think it should be mandated. Maybe in the future, maybe not. I don't know.
But I don't necessarily agree with your statement about what constitutes a mandate. I would say that the measles shot is mandated to attend public school, but not mandated to be a citizen, avoid a fine or avoid jail. That's a mandate.0
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