Viruses / Vaccines 2

bootlegger10

OffSheGoes35 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue.   I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.

If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house,  would you give the child a vaccine? 

I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it.  My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.  

I think my answer would be no.  

When your symptoms are lighter,  you are less contagious.  You sneeze less,, have lower viral load,  less mucus.  So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.  

The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk.  It was the teachers,  staff and families that were at a greater risk. 

If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it.  I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary.  Not an easy choice.

Doesn't all of this just make you want to go out and procreate today? What are you waiting for??? 

No interest in having kids.  I am sure when I am mid-50’s I will regret it and have a lonely existence, but for now I am cool with it.

bootlegger10

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue.   I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.

If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house,  would you give the child a vaccine? 

I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it.  My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.  

I think my answer would be no.  

When your symptoms are lighter,  you are less contagious.  You sneeze less,, have lower viral load,  less mucus.  So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.  

The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk.  It was the teachers,  staff and families that were at a greater risk. 

If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it.  I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary.  Not an easy choice.

No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine.  But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society,  including school.

Choices.  They suck sometimes.  I won’t be getting the jab again (I go the first booster), but if I had to in order to travel I would.

mrussel1

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue.   I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.

If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house,  would you give the child a vaccine? 

I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it.  My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.  

I think my answer would be no.  

When your symptoms are lighter,  you are less contagious.  You sneeze less,, have lower viral load,  less mucus.  So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.  

The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk.  It was the teachers,  staff and families that were at a greater risk. 

If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it.  I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary.  Not an easy choice.

No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine.  But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society,  including school.

I would argue that is "making" them do it if they can't participate in society. Many vaccines should be required. I'm not on board with requiring the covid vaccine yet. We don't require the flu shot, and kids get the flu and spread it to elderly all the time. 

But we knew in 2020/21 what the virus was doing to the elderly.  Let's not conflate that higher mortality strain to the strains of the past 18 months

23scidoo

My brain cells are too precious to keep wasting them with you..

anyway my shepherd is calling me back to the fold..and unlike someone else here i will keep my promise..

mace1229

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue.   I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.

If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house,  would you give the child a vaccine? 

I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it.  My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.  

I think my answer would be no.  

When your symptoms are lighter,  you are less contagious.  You sneeze less,, have lower viral load,  less mucus.  So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.  

The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk.  It was the teachers,  staff and families that were at a greater risk. 

If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it.  I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary.  Not an easy choice.

No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine.  But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society,  including school.

I would argue that is "making" them do it if they can't participate in society. Many vaccines should be required. I'm not on board with requiring the covid vaccine yet. We don't require the flu shot, and kids get the flu and spread it to elderly all the time. 

But we knew in 2020/21 what the virus was doing to the elderly.  Let's not conflate that higher mortality strain to the strains of the past 18 months

I'm not disagreeing with that.
But we didn't have the vaccine until almost halfway though 2021. It wasn't approved for kids until even later. So vaccinating children didn't;t impact the high death dolls for the elderly in the early months of the virus.
I'm just saying at this stage, I don't think kids should be mandated to take the vaccine. And refusing them an education is making someone do something. I don't think any states have done that, but that was your example I responded to. If denied entry to school over a vaccine, that is making someone take it.

mickeyrat

they are denied entry without mmr and polio vax arent they?

mrussel1

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

If I had a kid I wouldn’t give it a vaccine for something that statistically won’t be an issue.   I did the original C19 vax and boosters but done with it at this point unless required too in order to travel.

If you had an elderly or immunocompromised person (someone going through chemo as an example) living in the house,  would you give the child a vaccine? 

I would need to know if the vaccine has any impact on the kid’s ability to catch the virus and spread it.  My understanding is the vaccines don’t prevent you from catching it.  

I think my answer would be no.  

When your symptoms are lighter,  you are less contagious.  You sneeze less,, have lower viral load,  less mucus.  So the only way that it would not make your child less contagious is if the the vaccine literally did nothing.  

The reason I bring this up is that reason that schools closed was not directly about the child being at risk.  It was the teachers,  staff and families that were at a greater risk. 

If I were a parent, I wouldn’t like being told to inject something into my kid while they are still developing because they might catch something and might spread it.  I am not anti-pharma, but am anti taking a drug that isn’t necessary.  Not an easy choice.

No one can make you or your kids take any vaccine or medicine.  But don't start complaining when they can't fully participate in society,  including school.

I would argue that is "making" them do it if they can't participate in society. Many vaccines should be required. I'm not on board with requiring the covid vaccine yet. We don't require the flu shot, and kids get the flu and spread it to elderly all the time. 

But we knew in 2020/21 what the virus was doing to the elderly.  Let's not conflate that higher mortality strain to the strains of the past 18 months

I'm not disagreeing with that.
But we didn't have the vaccine until almost halfway though 2021. It wasn't approved for kids until even later. So vaccinating children didn't;t impact the high death dolls for the elderly in the early months of the virus.
I'm just saying at this stage, I don't think kids should be mandated to take the vaccine. And refusing them an education is making someone do something. I don't think any states have done that, but that was your example I responded to. If denied entry to school over a vaccine, that is making someone take it.

Kids aren't mandated,  anywhere.  It seems like you are applying what we know now,, after the less deadly mutations,  to decisions that were made before we had that knowledge.  And I say that because of the comparison to Influenza,  which is a fair one today,  but absurd for the first two stains.  

static111

mickeyrat said:

they are denied entry without mmr and polio vax arent they?

No. Parents just have to sign a waiver 

lastexitlondon

Also not mRNA vaccines.
If you are not a parent you have no say on the matter of what should or shouldn't be given to a child 

Halifax2TheMax

lastexitlondon said:

Also not mRNA vaccines.
If you are not a parent you have no say on the matter of what should or shouldn't be given to a child 

Really? Ok for parents to allow kids access to alcohol? Prescription medication like oxy or Vicodin? Tobacco products? Society doesn’t have an interest in how kids are raised or whether they make it to adulthood? News to me.

lastexitlondon

Halifax2TheMax said:

lastexitlondon said:

Also not mRNA vaccines.
If you are not a parent you have no say on the matter of what should or shouldn't be given to a child 

Really? Ok for parents to allow kids access to alcohol? Prescription medication like oxy or Vicodin? Tobacco products? Society doesn’t have an interest in how kids are raised or whether they make it to adulthood? News to me.

We are talking about vaccines here in this thread .all that other shit you are spouting isn't vaccines so has nothing to do with it. Don't take it out of context 

lastexitlondon

And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.

lastexitlondon

Actually I don't understand what your point even is all those things you mentioned are not given to children.

Halifax2TheMax

lastexitlondon said:

And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.

Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?

JB16057

Halifax2TheMax said:

lastexitlondon said:

And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.

Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?

Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....

lastexitlondon

Vaccines my children. This is a vaccine thread. I know how you roll mate. You don't have a valid point. Good eve

lastexitlondon

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

lastexitlondon said:

And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.

Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?

Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....

Non parents can't ever understand this. It's impossible for them. Just a fact

Halifax2TheMax

lastexitlondon said:

Vaccines my children. This is a vaccine thread. I know how you roll mate. You don't have a valid point. Good eve

FFS, you make a blanket statement, I ask a question and throw examples into it, and you throw a hissy fit. Good evening and morning to you, sir, indeed.

mickeyrat

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

lastexitlondon said:

And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.

Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?

Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....

ohhh fan fucking tastic!!!!

does this mean ONLY parents should fund s hooks through property taxes then? I want a refund......

mrussel1

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

lastexitlondon said:

And as a parent I decide not you. There is a level of responsibility that once you have children you have that non parents will never ever understand or have.

Do you only have a responsibility to your children as a parent or do you also have a responsibility to society as well? Vaccines or otherwise?

Children as a parent comes before society but only parents would know this.....

That's fine,  but don't expect to use all of the benefits of the society in that case. And yes,  I have three kids.