Best: Birth of No. Most likely kept the band together Worst: Only for my own selfish reasons. The birth of no. I would have liked to have seen them on TV more during vs, Vitalogy, and No Code. What if they had performed Daughter or go on Letterman in 93/94? Or made music videos for those albums. They went from being the biggest band of the 90s to "they still make music?". Obviously they did well for themselves. Are first ballot Hall of Famers. And so forth. But sucks when casual fans are asked about 90s bands they're not mentioned as much.
They did Daughter on SNL in 94 and Animal on MTV VMA's in 93
Best: varied sets, official boots, getting fans good seats as much as they can
worst: I agree we can’t say “fans” as the band can’t control their fans craziness, entitlement. But, at times I think the band gets a pass on how the fans are treated due to the early days of how well the fans were treated. The last 15 years I don’t think this band is anywhere near as fan friendly as they used to be or as good to fans as other bands are today. I could cite some examples I’ll just leave it at that.
Best: varied sets, official boots, getting fans good seats as much as they can
worst: I agree we can’t say “fans” as the band can’t control their fans craziness, entitlement. But, at times I think the band gets a pass on how the fans are treated due to the early days of how well the fans were treated. The last 15 years I don’t think this band is anywhere near as fan friendly as they used to be or as good to fans as other bands are today. I could cite some examples I’ll just leave it at that.
It's funny that if you go back to 2000, people would call Pearl Jam a band of the people and call Metallica greedy and not fan-friendly. This has 100% flipped.
Best: varied sets, official boots, getting fans good seats as much as they can
worst: I agree we can’t say “fans” as the band can’t control their fans craziness, entitlement. But, at times I think the band gets a pass on how the fans are treated due to the early days of how well the fans were treated. The last 15 years I don’t think this band is anywhere near as fan friendly as they used to be or as good to fans as other bands are today. I could cite some examples I’ll just leave it at that.
Did you ever try to get tickets in the early days? I'll take the fan friendly process of the last 20 years over how it used to be.
Best: varied sets, official boots, getting fans good seats as much as they can
worst: I agree we can’t say “fans” as the band can’t control their fans craziness, entitlement. But, at times I think the band gets a pass on how the fans are treated due to the early days of how well the fans were treated. The last 15 years I don’t think this band is anywhere near as fan friendly as they used to be or as good to fans as other bands are today. I could cite some examples I’ll just leave it at that.
Did you ever try to get tickets in the early days? I'll take the fan friendly process of the last 20 years over how it used to be.
Agreed - not sure why the band would be considered not fan friendly based on ticketing alone. They could easily just do what the big artists do (no fan club tix and jack up prices to market).
DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
The only thing I think that has been kind of crappy towards the fans would be the fan club singles, which was a legit grievance. Everything else is basically based on fans greed and them just wanting more. Metallica was brought up and the whole reason they were considered not fan friendly was because they were against people stealing their music online. If all you want to do is take from people you probably also shouldn't call them greedy or not fan friendly.
Best: Birth of No. Most likely kept the band together Worst: Only for my own selfish reasons. The birth of no. I would have liked to have seen them on TV more during vs, Vitalogy, and No Code. What if they had performed Daughter or go on Letterman in 93/94? Or made music videos for those albums. They went from being the biggest band of the 90s to "they still make music?". Obviously they did well for themselves. Are first ballot Hall of Famers. And so forth. But sucks when casual fans are asked about 90s bands they're not mentioned as much.
They did Daughter on SNL in 94 and Animal on MTV VMA's in 93
I know. I was talking about performing on Letterman. Maybe even Late Night with Conan. Most bands or artists perform a song on more than one show is my point
Best: The creative writing process (non lyrics - I'm talking the music/riffs/instruments)
Worst: Eddie taking primary lead on creative writing process
I don't think he took the lead. I think he wants them to contribute more.
Ed still steers the ship.
The other guys do contribute - they have mentioned many times that everyone brings their work in and they decide if they want to move a piece forward. I still get the sense that Ed had final veto though, based on whether something sits well with him at the time (gut feeling).
Remember Stone trying again and again to get someone interested in (I think) the G2F riff?
DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
Best: The creative writing process (non lyrics - I'm talking the music/riffs/instruments)
Worst: Eddie taking primary lead on creative writing process
I don't think he took the lead. I think he wants them to contribute more.
Ed still steers the ship.
The other guys do contribute - they have mentioned many times that everyone brings their work in and they decide if they want to move a piece forward. I still get the sense that Ed had final veto though, based on whether something sits well with him at the time (gut feeling).
Remember Stone trying again and again to get someone interested in (I think) the G2F riff?
In Hiding I believe. I think mostly because he's the main lyricist. I don't think he went in saying "I'm the captain now". Like most people are making it out to be.
Best: varied sets, official boots, getting fans good seats as much as they can
worst: I agree we can’t say “fans” as the band can’t control their fans craziness, entitlement. But, at times I think the band gets a pass on how the fans are treated due to the early days of how well the fans were treated. The last 15 years I don’t think this band is anywhere near as fan friendly as they used to be or as good to fans as other bands are today. I could cite some examples I’ll just leave it at that.
Did you ever try to get tickets in the early days? I'll take the fan friendly process of the last 20 years over how it used to be.
Yes I did try to get tickets in the early days. I didn’t mention tickets or fan club tickets in my “worst” part.
But since you brought it up, I am shut out more now, and tickets have been harder to get, and fan club seats have got progressively worse over the years. But I don’t think of any of it as the worst part of their career and that why’s I didn’t originally say it in my post.
And directly in my post I say they get a pass today due to how it was in the early days
Best: The creative writing process (non lyrics - I'm talking the music/riffs/instruments)
Worst: Eddie taking primary lead on creative writing process
Following up on the hot take. One wonders if Stone was still the lead. Everything that guy touches turns to gold, in my opinion. Pearl Jam, MLB, Green River, Brad, Painted Shield, solo work. Dude can write and play.
Boston '06 Mansfield '08 Hartford '10 Worcester, Hartford '13 Global Citizen, NY '15
Best: varied sets, official boots, getting fans good seats as much as they can
worst: I agree we can’t say “fans” as the band can’t control their fans craziness, entitlement. But, at times I think the band gets a pass on how the fans are treated due to the early days of how well the fans were treated. The last 15 years I don’t think this band is anywhere near as fan friendly as they used to be or as good to fans as other bands are today. I could cite some examples I’ll just leave it at that.
Did you ever try to get tickets in the early days? I'll take the fan friendly process of the last 20 years over how it used to be.
Yes I did try to get tickets in the early days. I didn’t mention tickets or fan club tickets in my “worst” part.
But since you brought it up, I am shut out more now, and tickets have been harder to get, and fan club seats have got progressively worse over the years. But I don’t think of any of it as the worst part of their career and that why’s I didn’t originally say it in my post.
And directly in my post I say they get a pass today due to how it was in the early days
I suppose the ambiguity in your post about 'fan friendly' leaves it up to interpretation. I don't know what the band used to do that was so fan friendly, maybe exclusive 10c shows? I find the ease of getting tickets to for a band with a high demand live show fan friendly, as well as bringing back GA shows.
Best: The creative writing process (non lyrics - I'm talking the music/riffs/instruments)
Worst: Eddie taking primary lead on creative writing process
I don't think he took the lead. I think he wants them to contribute more.
Ed still steers the ship.
The other guys do contribute - they have mentioned many times that everyone brings their work in and they decide if they want to move a piece forward. I still get the sense that Ed had final veto though, based on whether something sits well with him at the time (gut feeling).
Remember Stone trying again and again to get someone interested in (I think) the G2F riff?
In Hiding I believe. I think mostly because he's the main lyricist. I don't think he went in saying "I'm the captain now". Like most people are making it out to be.
Best decision: getting as many tickets as they can for the Ten Club
Worst decision: sticking with Brendan O’Brien for too long. I don’t think we get an album like Gigaton without mixing it up and using a guy like Josh Evans. I’d love to know what they could have made had they done that 10 years earlier.
Josh is great but I do miss Brendan O' Brien's work with Pearl Jam.
Best Always playing different sets Worst Getting Boom to play on songs that have no keyboards such as Alive & Porch, WHY?
Eastern Creek 95,Syd 1 98,Bris 2 98, Syd 1&2 03, Reading Fest 06, Bris 1 06, London 09, Hyde Park 10, Gold Coast BDO 14 Budapest 22 Krakow 22 Amsterdam 22 St Paul 1&2 23 Chicago 1&2 23 Chicago 1&2 24 New York 1 24 Philly 1&2 24 Boston 1&2 24 Gold Coast 24 Melbourne 1 24 Sydney 1&2 24
Best: The creative writing process (non lyrics - I'm talking the music/riffs/instruments)
Worst: Eddie taking primary lead on creative writing process
I don't think he took the lead. I think he wants them to contribute more.
Ed still steers the ship.
The other guys do contribute - they have mentioned many times that everyone brings their work in and they decide if they want to move a piece forward. I still get the sense that Ed had final veto though, based on whether something sits well with him at the time (gut feeling).
Remember Stone trying again and again to get someone interested in (I think) the G2F riff?
In Hiding I believe. I think mostly because he's the main lyricist. I don't think he went in saying "I'm the captain now". Like most people are making it out to be.
The dude decided to take a higher percentage of the album profits than the rest of the band in the 90s -- how is that not a "i'm the captain now" ?
Or am I misremembering Kim Neelys book?
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worst: I agree we can’t say “fans” as the band can’t control their fans craziness, entitlement. But, at times I think the band gets a pass on how the fans are treated due to the early days of how well the fans were treated. The last 15 years I don’t think this band is anywhere near as fan friendly as they used to be or as good to fans as other bands are today. I could cite some examples I’ll just leave it at that.
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Did you ever try to get tickets in the early days? I'll take the fan friendly process of the last 20 years over how it used to be.
Best: The creative writing process (non lyrics - I'm talking the music/riffs/instruments)
Worst: Eddie taking primary lead on creative writing process
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Remember Stone trying again and again to get someone interested in (I think) the G2F riff?
Mansfield '08
Hartford '10
Worcester, Hartford '13
Global Citizen, NY '15
I suppose the ambiguity in your post about 'fan friendly' leaves it up to interpretation. I don't know what the band used to do that was so fan friendly, maybe exclusive 10c shows? I find the ease of getting tickets to for a band with a high demand live show fan friendly, as well as bringing back GA shows.
Worst Getting Boom to play on songs that have no keyboards such as Alive & Porch, WHY?
Wellington 1998
London 2007
Brisbane 2009
Stockholm 2012
EV Dublin 2017
Milan 2018
Padova 2018
Boston 2 2018
Or am I misremembering Kim Neelys book?