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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,042
    Entered through a side door! One too many doors 
    I made a comment on the last page about this. I really don’t get why people make fun of securing doors in a school? I knows it stems from the Uvalde shooting, but whats wrong with having secure doors? Shouldnt we want to prevent random people from entering?
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,123
    mace1229 said:
    Entered through a side door! One too many doors 
    I made a comment on the last page about this. I really don’t get why people make fun of securing doors in a school? I knows it stems from the Uvalde shooting, but whats wrong with having secure doors? Shouldnt we want to prevent random people from entering?
    Yes....but when you blame the door instead of the gun....you know?
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,123
    edited March 2023
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
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    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,590
    Entered through a side door! One too many doors 
    More guns
    Less doors
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,264
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    that is not confirmed. there is a 8chan meme going around of a trans person that has been used in prior mass shootings. i will try to find the link.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,941
    Maybe Alex Jones can go off for weeks about how it’s a false flag operation with crisis actors? All to distract from Hunter’s laptop and the Brandon crime family.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,264



    this is who the right is saying the shooter was. it is not true. this person was 31. shooter was 28.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,264
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,123
    The police chief mentioned that the shooter was a transgender female. Still need clarity
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    EnkiduEnkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    I just saw this - sorry it's not a screen shot from an actual Twitter page, I lost my account after calling Lauren Boebert "white trash."

    This is Marjorie Taylor Greene:


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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,123
    Enkidu said:
    I just saw this - sorry it's not a screen shot from an actual Twitter page, I lost my account after calling Lauren Boebert "white trash."

    This is Marjorie Taylor Greene:


    Yet they conveniently forget that every other shooting lacks this characteristic....
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,318
    gift article.....


     We spent 7 months examining the AR-15’s role in America. Here’s what we learned.
    By Washington Post Staff
    March 27, 2023 at 6:00 ET
    The AR-15 is more than a weapon.
    It is a potent symbol with a grip on the American imagination — a readily available and easy-to-use killing machine wielded during some of the country’s darkest moments, and a tactical weapon championed as the ultimate expression of Second Amendment rights. It is also a lucrative consumer product with a distinct appeal: The more controversial it becomes, the better it sells.
    To understand the AR-15 and its impact, The Washington Post interviewed more than 200 people with expertise or relevant firsthand experience — including firearms industry executives and lobbyists, gun owners, shooting survivors and victims’ families, lawmakers, trauma surgeons, first responders, activists, armed militants, academics and ballistics experts, among others. Our seven-month examination also relied on a review of more than 1,000 pages of documents, including internal company records, court and regulatory filings, and autopsy reports, many of them obtained through public records requests. And, in the most detailed poll of its kind to date, The Post partnered with Ipsos to survey hundreds of AR-15 owners about their reasons for having the weapon.

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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,123
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,318
      
    Nashville school shooter had drawn maps, done surveillance
    By JONATHAN MATTISE and TRAVIS LOLLER
    4 mins ago

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — The suspect in a Nashville school shooting on Monday had drawn a detailed map of the school, including potential entry points, and conducted surveillance before killing three students and three adults in the latest in a series of mass shootings in a country growing increasingly unnerved by bloodshed in schools.

    The suspect, who was killed by police, is believed to be a former student at The Covenant School in Nashville, where the shooting took place.

    The shooter was armed with two “assault-style” weapons — a rifle and a pistol — as well as a handgun, authorities said. At least two of them were believed to have been obtained legally in the Nashville area.

    The victims were identified as Evelyn Dieckhaus, Hallie Scruggs, and William Kinney, all 8 or 9 years old, and adults Cynthia Peak, 61; Katherine Koonce, 60; and Mike Hill, 61.

    The website of The Covenant School, a Presbyterian school founded in 2001, lists a Katherine Koonce as the head of the school. Her LinkedIn profile says she has led the school since July 2016.

    The attack at The Covenant School — which has about 200 students from preschool through sixth grade, as well as roughly 50 staff members — comes as communities around the nation are reeling from a spate of school violence, including the massacre at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, last year; a first grader who shot his teacher in Virginia; and a shooting last week in Denver that wounded two administrators.

    “I was literally moved to tears to see this and the kids as they were being ushered out of the building,” Metropolitan Nashville Police Chief John Drake said Monday during one of several news conferences.

    Drake did not give a specific motive when asked by reporters but gave chilling examples of the shooter's prior planning for the targeted attack.

    “We have a manifesto, we have some writings that we’re going over that pertain to this date, the actual incident," he said. "We have a map drawn out of how this was all going to take place.”

    The Covenant School was founded as a ministry of Covenant Presbyterian Church. The affluent Green Hills neighborhood just south of downtown Nashville, where the Covenant School is located, is home to the famed Bluebird Café – a beloved spot for musicians and song writers.

    President Joe Biden, speaking at an unrelated event at the White House on Monday, called the shooting a “family’s worst nightmare” and implored Congress again to pass a ban on certain semi-automatic weapons.

    “It’s ripping at the soul of this nation, ripping at the very soul of this nation,” Biden said.

    Before Monday’s violence in Nashville, there had been seven mass killings at K-12 schools since 2006 in which four or more people were killed within a 24-hour period, according to a database maintained by The Associated Press and USA Today in partnership with Northeastern University. In all of them, the shooters were males.

    The database does not include school shootings in which fewer than four people were killed, which have become far more common in recent years. Just last week alone, for example, school shootings happened in Denver and the Dallas-area within two days of each other.

    Monday's tragedy unfolded over roughly 14 minutes. Police received the initial call about an active shooter at 10:13 a.m.

    Officers began clearing the first story of the school when they heard gunshots coming from the second level, police spokesperson Don Aaron said during a news briefing.

    Two officers from a five-member team opened fire in response, fatally shooting the suspect at 10:27 a.m., Aaron said. One officer had a hand wound from cut glass.

    Aaron said there were no police officers present or assigned to the school at the time of the shooting because it is a church-run school.

    Other students walked to safety Monday, holding hands as they left their school surrounded by police cars, to a nearby church to be reunited with their parents.

    Rachel Dibble, who was at the church as families found their children, described the scene as everyone being in “complete shock.”

    “People were involuntarily trembling,” said Dibble, whose children attend a different private school in Nashville. “The children … started their morning in their cute little uniforms, they probably had some Froot Loops and now their whole lives changed today.”

    Dr. Shamendar Talwar, a social psychologist from the United Kingdom who is working on an unrelated mental health project in Nashville, raced to the church as soon as he heard news of the shooting to offer help. He said he was one of several chaplains, psychologists, life coaches and clergy inside supporting the families.

    “All you can show is that the human spirit that basically that we are all here together … and hold their hand more than anything else,” he said.

    Jozen Reodica heard the police sirens and fire trucks blaring from outside her office building nearby. As her building was placed under lockdown, she took out her phone and recorded the chaos.

    “I thought I would just see this on TV,” she said. “And right now, it’s real.”

    From her office nearby, Kelly Stooksberry could see parents rushing to park their cars on the side of the road before sprinting to locate their children. She saw one woman fall to her knees and grab her chest.

    “It was gut-wrenching,” she said.

    Nashville has seen its share of mass violence in recent years, including a Christmas Day 2020 attack where a recreational vehicle was intentionally detonated in the heart of Music City’s historic downtown, killing the bomber, injuring three others and forcing more than 60 businesses to close.

    Tennessee state senators met for about 12 minutes on Monday after agreeing to delay taking up any bills due to the shooting. The session started off with an emotional prayer from the guest pastor.

    “Ladies and gentlemen, I wrote down a prayer today and I quickly realized that I cannot," said Pastor Russell Hall, with his voice trembling. "I stand before you today heartbroken.”

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    Contributing to this report were Associated Press writers Holly Meyer and Kristin Hall in Nashville; Denise Lavoie in Richmond, Virginia; John Raby in Charleston, West Virginia; Stefanie Dazio in Los Angeles; and Beatrice Dupuy and Larry Fenn in New York.


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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,042
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,264


    great idea, considering most mass shooters commit suicide or get suicided by cops....

    how about we consider the death penalty for elected officials who continue to do nothing about this situation that is now the leading cause of death for american children?

    i am not advocating this, just saying maybe we should consider having that conversation, as these people continue to allow things like this to happen.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,941
    Maybe when they get finished making it easier to buy and possess guns they can ban transgendered terrorists?

    The Republican-led House Judiciary Committee postponed plans to work on legislation Tuesday that aims to stop what the proposed measure calls an “assault on the Second Amendment” by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, according to a person familiar with the plans who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations. The postponement came hours after the deadly school shooting in Nashville.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 18,123
    edited March 2023
    mace1229 said:
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
    If there is no pattern then....yeah kind of

    shooter was a former student there
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,448
    edited March 2023
    mace1229 said:
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
    If there is no pattern then....yeah kind of

    shooter was a former student there
    Yeah wake me up when transgendered people going weekly killing sprees like white males have been for years now. I sure that will not stop the culture warriors though. 
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    mace1229 said:
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
    Great take, cannot wait to hear a “progressives”response to this one…

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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,448
    mace1229 said:
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
    Great take, cannot wait to hear a “progressives”response to this one…

    Hi Linda! Do you see a trend of transgendered people going on killing sprees anywhere in the universe currently?
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,264
    mace1229 said:
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
    Great take, cannot wait to hear a “progressives”response to this one…

    Hi Linda! Do you see a trend of transgendered people going on killing sprees anywhere in the universe currently?
    considering all the laws being passed that directly impact and harm the people who are trans, i can see one of them taking up guns and doing things like this. you can only push an already heavily marginalized person so far.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,941
    mace1229 said:
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
    Great take, cannot wait to hear a “progressives”response to this one…

    Hi Linda! Do you see a trend of transgendered people going on killing sprees anywhere in the universe currently?
    considering all the laws being passed that directly impact and harm the people who are trans, i can see one of them taking up guns and doing things like this. you can only push an already heavily marginalized person so far.
    Like white males, right?
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,448
    edited March 2023
    mace1229 said:
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
    Great take, cannot wait to hear a “progressives”response to this one…

    Hi Linda! Do you see a trend of transgendered people going on killing sprees anywhere in the universe currently?
    considering all the laws being passed that directly impact and harm the people who are trans, i can see one of them taking up guns and doing things like this. you can only push an already heavily marginalized person so far.
    Good point. However the odds are through the roof that the next mass shooter will be a white male...and it likely will take place in the coming days. 
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,264
    mace1229 said:
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
    Great take, cannot wait to hear a “progressives”response to this one…

    Hi Linda! Do you see a trend of transgendered people going on killing sprees anywhere in the universe currently?
    considering all the laws being passed that directly impact and harm the people who are trans, i can see one of them taking up guns and doing things like this. you can only push an already heavily marginalized person so far.
    Good point. However the odds are through the roof that the next mass shooter will be a white male...and it likely will take place in the coming days. 
    i am thinking thoughts and prayers may actually work this time.

    on second thought, screw thoughts and prayers and this neverending groundhog day of school violence.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,839
    mace1229 said:
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
    Great take, cannot wait to hear a “progressives”response to this one…

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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,042
    mace1229 said:
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
    If there is no pattern then....yeah kind of

    shooter was a former student there
    No one said anything about pattern. When someone pointed out the shooter was trans, you said expect GOP to jump on that.

    When a gay man shoots other gay men, it’s spun as a hate crime. When an Asian shoots Asians in an Asian community, it’s a hate crime against asians.

    When a trans person targets a church, we can’t talk about that being a hate crime? I saw no explanation why. 
    Doesn’t matter if she’s a former student. She targeted the church and the people there. Seems like way more of a hate crime than an Asian shooting in an Asian community to me. But ones off limits because she’s trans? Or why?
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,264
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Shooter was transgender....expect GOP to jump on that

    but it does address the oddity (maybe?) of a female being the shooter...not saying that to be offensive, just pointing out the fact
    In all fairness, why not? We usually hear “why is it always the white males?” And how it’s always a hate crime against whoever the victims were. Even when it was Asian on Asian it was spun as a hate crime.
    But suddenly when it’s a transgender who targeted a church and religion, that’s off limits?
    If there is no pattern then....yeah kind of

    shooter was a former student there
    No one said anything about pattern. When someone pointed out the shooter was trans, you said expect GOP to jump on that.

    When a gay man shoots other gay men, it’s spun as a hate crime. When an Asian shoots Asians in an Asian community, it’s a hate crime against asians.

    When a trans person targets a church, we can’t talk about that being a hate crime? I saw no explanation why. 
    Doesn’t matter if she’s a former student. She targeted the church and the people there. Seems like way more of a hate crime than an Asian shooting in an Asian community to me. But ones off limits because she’s trans? Or why?
    i think they meant to expect the gop to jump on the fact that the shooter was trans as a way to:

    1. validate their recent banning of trans health care, drag shows, and anything else against the lgbtq community
    2. talk about ANYTHING other than guns being readily available contributed to this
    3. also to deflect from the fact that most gop politicians are bought and paid for by the nra
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